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Category:Flags by issue

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Category:Failed assassination attempt survivors

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Category:American politicians who switched parties in office

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: listify. MER-C 13:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:American politicians who switched parties in office (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Not a defining characteristic. Many of the articles do not even mention party switching and few of them include the fact in their introduction. TM 11:41, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think the hang-up hear is the word defining. According to Wikipedia, a defining characteristic is not really a matter of opinion. Instead, it is "...one that reliable sources commonly and consistently define the subject as having—such as nationality or notable profession (in the case of people), type of location or region (in the case of places), etc." That is why I noted that many of the articles in this category do not even MENTION party-switching or include it merely as an aside. Given this definition (which is Wikipedia policy), I hope those of you who oppose deleting (or listifying and deleting, which I support) will reconsider your comments.--TM 11:08, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Friends

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename top categories to Category:Friends (1994 TV series) and consistent sub-category names Category:Friends (1994 TV series) characters, Category:Friends (1994 TV series) character redirects to lists, Category:Friends (1994 TV series) episodes, Category:Friends (1994 TV series) seasons; but no consensus over episode categories by season. Note that other episode-by-season sub-categories within Category:American television episodes by series currently do not disambiguate, e.g. Category:Angel (season 1) episodes, Category:House (season 1) episodes, Category:Lost (season 1) episodes, so these Friends episodes categories will not be eligible for speedy renaming to match the parent. – Fayenatic London 09:48, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: DAB from Category:Friendship. Although Talk:Friends (disambiguation)#Requested move 12 April 2019 was closed as "no consensus" in the article space, categories usually have a higher threshold for primacy, also because unlike article names, category names are usually plural there's a greater risk of confusion, see WP:PLURALPT and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 January 28#Category:Wells (when the article was at just "Wells") and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 July 14#Category:Tours (even though the article is still at Tours). There are other cases such as Category:Plymouth, Devon/Plymouth and Category:Perth, Western Australia/Perth. As noted the Commons category is at Commons:Category:Friends (TV series) (with Commons:Category:Friends about friendship). Category:Friends (sitcom) is another possibility. I welcome suggestions for better disambiguation of the 10 different season categories. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:14, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK. I see that Category:Friends (U.S. TV series) has competition too. Category:Friends is no good at all. Oculi (talk) 10:22, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Referendums by cause

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The result of the discussion was: rename. to Category:Referendums by issue (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:26, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Referendums are about issues. The poor choice of words here resulted in this category being given the completely non-sensical parent Category:Causes of events -- which was where I first came across it 2 weeks ago. I immediately replaced that parent cat with Category:Categories by issue. All that remains is to rename to Category:Referendums by issue, which properly reflects the contents of the category. Anomalous+0 (talk) 07:22, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There is agreement that "cause" is wrong but I remain unconvinced that "issue" is correct. Something like "topic" or "theme" is closer to what is meant without having the crusading connotations of the other two words. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:02, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have no preference for "issue", "topic" or "theme" as a target. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:30, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Songs written by Aphex Twin

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Category:Kidnapped African children

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 02:33, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization: Category:Kidnapped children contains subcategories of countries, not continents. Gjs238 (talk) 02:56, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, meanwhile the category is sufficiently populated. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:32, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - After reading the article this category was evidently created for, I am further convinced that it serves a valid purpose. As well as serving as a parent/container for the African subcats I added, it also provides a measure of proper categorization for people who were kidnapped in/from Africa as children in order to serve as slaves. Not only were they kidnapped from Africa -- they were kidnapped precisely because they were African. And it's more than incidental that there is no way to categorize them by nationality‎. In short, this category serves two valid purposes. Anomalous+0 (talk) 09:00, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Reply On the contrary, categories referring to things that happened before nation states is another of those potential exceptions. OTOH, kidnapping is defined as unlawful abduction, and if there is no nation state then there's no rule of law to define what kidnapping is. But how many articles are we really talking about, of children notable enough for an article whose most defining characteristic is that they were kidnapped from an area that's not clearly defined as a country? So far Redoshi is the only one - and she could easily be upmerged to Category:Kidnapped children which only has 16 articles at present. And I'd argue that her notability comes not from her kidnap but first and foremost from the fact she was a slave so I'd concentrate on where she fits in the slavery categories.Le Deluge (talk) 15:14, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Wait wait wait. Le Deluge, I think I just heard you say stealing children and selling them into slavery is not a crime if there isn't a nation with a book of law or something. And that somehow this craziness should be reflected in our categorization. "So far Redoshi is the only one"--yeah. And? And why would you want to merge her into the parent category? It does not matter to you that she was from Africa, and you want that disappeared too? Would you like to propose renaming the article to her slave name, while we're at it? Drmies (talk) 15:56, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
BTW I am populating this category; 14 already. Drmies (talk) 16:25, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for doing that. I just finished adding a passage to the article for John Jea explicitly noting that he and his family were kidnapped by slave traders. Similar passages should be added to the other articles as well. Anomalous+0 (talk) 21:13, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • As I just said above, Africa is indeed a special case because of its history in terms of the Slave Trade (both Arab and European) and Colonization. The people who were kidnapped and sold into slavery were robbed of their history, their culture, and their humanity. Let's not compound the crime. Anomalous+0 (talk) 20:53, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Images of history maps

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Category:History of philosophy images

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Encyclopedias by language

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