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Category:Wikipedia recent changes patrollers

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 09:57, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Clearly duplicative category * Pppery * it has begun... 23:26, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Centuries in Savafid Iran

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The result of the discussion was: merge per Option A. Manual merges would be preferred, as the contents may be in suitable sub-cats of the targets already. I will put Category:People of Safavid Iran by century into Category:History of Safavid Iran; it should probably have a fresh nomination now. I am also putting the 16th-18th century categories for Iran, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Bahrain and Georgia into the that History category. – Fayenatic London 07:56, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Option A
Option B
Nominator's rationale: merge preferably per option A - but option B is better than the status quo. The categories are largely overlapping. Option A is more consistent with the general tree of Iranian history. Note I have tagged categories of both option A and B. The nomination is a follow-up on this earlier discussion which ended as no consensus. By leaving out the people categories and by offering two options I hope to reach consensus this time. @Fayenatic london, LouisAragon, Cplakidas, and HistoryofIran: pinging contributors to earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:01, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
A few corrections: we are not female; it is not true to say that " Persia/Iran has a continuous history with a state". It is true to say that what we may now call Persian or Iranian peoples have lived in the fluctuating borders around the present day state of the Republic of Iran; that's not the same as saying that those people or peoples were at all times in the same state. Closer to home, Irish people were occupied by a foreign power for 800 years. During that time, they were forcibly part of several states (Lordship of Ireland, Kingdom of Ireland, United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland). Despite this, the Irish people, as a a people, were one. Where the category structure differs from the Iranian people is that Ireland, conveniently, is an island so we can categorise things that happened in the island, not just the various states that drifted through that island. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:15, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply @No Great Shaker: it's more than a regime change. People of 16th century England or France would have recognised and affirmed the names of England and France. It's unclear if the same is true for the peoples of the Safavid Empire. Go back further in time. In the 1st century AD, would the people occupying those lands have recognised and affirmed the names of England and France? Yet wiki persists in having such categories. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:57, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • True. And there were Angles in what is now modern Denmark before ever they migrated to what is now England. But what does that prove? Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:53, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • People of 16th century Iran would have recognised and affirmed the name of Iran. Note that "Safavid" is merely the name of a dynasty, not part of the country name. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:41, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
(ec)The names of countries change over the course of centuries and we need to ensure continuity in a categorisation series. For example, Category:1st century in England really means Category:1st century in what became England and is by no means correct, but for practicality it is necessary to use a recognised geographical identity instead of fluctuating through the Celtic, Roman, Northumbrian, Wessex, Viking, Saxon and Norman variations until finally reaching the English one. Marcocapelle is right that the Safavids were a dynasty (like the Tudors, Bourbons, Habsburgs, Romanovs, etc.) and that cannot be part of the geographical identity. No Great Shaker (talk) 16:40, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"it is necessary to use ". Actually, it's not at all nececessary to have Category:1st century in England. Wiki will get by fine without it. The contents would fit nicely into the island category of Category:1st century in Great Britain. Nothing more is needed until something resembling an English state comes into existance. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:07, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Changing borders is not a reason to start a different category tree. France in the 12th century was much smaller than it is now yet we simply have Category:12th century in France, not Category:12th century in Capetian France. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:08, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who like Ashes to Ashes (TV series)

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The result of the discussion was: speedy rename. – Fayenatic London 21:13, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Disambiguate TV series GoingBatty (talk) 16:39, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ashes to Ashes (TV series) user templates

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The result of the discussion was: speedy rename. – Fayenatic London 21:13, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Disambiguate TV series GoingBatty (talk) 16:35, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Archbishops of Santo Domingo

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:13, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: To complete the North America tree. Per form of all other Roman Catholic diocese and bishop categories. Whatever about the correctness of the form, for the sake of consistency the form ought to be followed. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:03, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American Burlesque performers

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The result of the discussion was: rename. It is true that most of the categories were not tagged with Template:Cfr, but I am going to do something I hardly ever do and pull an IAR exception here, mainly because I cannot foresee any reasonable argument opposing the proposals. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:11, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Burlesque is not capitalized. The same objection applies to Category:British Burlesque performers and probably Category:Neo-Burlesque performers. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:44, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Then please tag the category pages. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:24, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm following WP:CFD#HOWTO for bundled nominations. Besides, if I add a subst:Cfr template, it links to a different day's nominations. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:51, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • You can save one, then edit it by changing the date and section title |1=Category:American Burlesque performers| then copy it to the other categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:11, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional hacker groups

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:09, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The only article in the category is a redirect. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 03:41, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Austrian military personnel of World War II

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:07, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I find it a bit bizarre that these categories exist. Austria was not an independent country during World War II. Lettlerhello • contribs 00:10, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No, they still held Austrian nationality and the category is about nationality, not about being in the service of the Wehrmacht. There were Austrians in the Allied forces too. No Great Shaker (talk) 21:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There might not have been a country called Austria from 1938 to 1945 but there were Austrian nationals because they did not become Germans. There was no change of nationality and that is the key element in these categories. How are you going to merge those Austrians who served with the Allies? Many did. No Great Shaker (talk) 16:00, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the Order of Glory (Ottoman Empire)

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:06, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Recipients of the Order of Glory (Ottoman Empire)
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Grand Cordons of the Order of Glory (Ottoman Empire)
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Grand Officers of the Order of Glory (Ottoman Empire)‎
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Commanders of the Order of Glory (Ottoman Empire)‎
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Knights of the Order of Glory (Ottoman Empire)
Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD and WP:PERFCAT)
When VIP guests visited the Ottoman Empire or vice versa, the Order of Glory (Ottoman Empire) was given out as souvenir. German Emperor Wilhelm II, American inventor Samuel Morse, and Norwegian landscape artist Frits Thaulow are not remotely defined by this award. (There are not any Turkish recipients in these categories but there are three not very loyal Ottoman appointed local leaders: 1, 2, 3.) There wasn't a list so I created one right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. -
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Category:Recipients of the Order of the Griffon (Mecklenburg)

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:05, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Recipients of the Order of the Griffon (Mecklenburg)
Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OVERLAPCAT and WP:OCAWARD)
The German Grand Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin issued the Order of the Griffon (Mecklenburg) to local nobility like Frederick Francis IV, Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Duke Paul Frederick of Mecklenburg and Duke Henry of Mecklenburg-Schwerin who are already well categorized somewhere under Category:Mecklenburgian nobility. (There are also a few foreign leaders like Leopold II of Belgium, Grand Duke Sergei Mikhailovich of Russia and Louis Ferdinand, Prince of Prussia but I'm not sure if they received it as a diplomatic souvenir or based on distant family relations, since the royal houses were intermarried.) Either way, all the articles generally mention this award in passing with other honours so it doesn't seem defining. There wasn't a list so I created one right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:06, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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