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Alabama Collegiate Conference football

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:46, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The Southern States Conference was known as Alabama Collegiate Conference in 1969, the last year in which the conference sponsored football. It was not rebranded to "Southern States Conference" until 1972. Jweiss11 (talk) 23:16, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Governors of Egypt

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Category:GAA people by province

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:47, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: There appears to me to be confusion here (either in the category name or the contents) between the sports (Gaelic games) and one of the governing bodies (the Gaelic Athletic Association). "GAA" is a redirect disambiguation page. The two relevant options there are Gaelic Athletic Association (governing body) and Gaelic football (sport). If it is Gaelic football then the hurling categories are misplaced. If it is the Gaelic Athletic Association (which I'm guessing it is) then lots of other categories are misplaced.

  • Category:GAA people from County Kerry contains Gaelic footballers, hurlers and Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh (a Gaelic games radio and TV commentator).
  • Category:GAA people from County Cavan contains Gaelic footballers and Agnes O'Farrelly (another president of the Camogie Association).

The people in the categories have only one thing in common, their involvement in Gaelic games, whether it is as players, managers, coaches, referees, administrators, commentators or other.

The name of the sport is used in similar category titles, e.g. Category:Sportspeople from County Dublin has Category:Cricketers from County Dublin, Category:Association footballers from County Dublin, Category:Field hockey players from County Dublin, Category:Rugby league players from County Dublin and Category:Rugby union players from County Dublin, with Category:GAA people from County Dublin standing out as focusing on the organisation and not the sports. So "Category:Gaelic games people from" would make sense and prevent the need for "Camogie Association people from..." or "Ladies' Gaelic Football Association people from..." which would contain much fewer articles anyway. Besides there is no "Category:IRFU people from..." (there isn't even a Category:Irish Rugby Football Union). "GAA" is also a redirect disambiguation page. Gaelic games is clearer. To all. --Gaois (talk) 19:42, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 18:27, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You appear to misunderstand the proposal? The "GAA people" categories already exist and seem to have existed for many years. They are not being created by the proposal.
The contents are already in the categories.
Hence this proposal. The proposal is an attempt to address the ambiguity, to swap "GAA" (a disambiguation page, with various meanings internationally) for the clearer "Gaelic games".
The problems described exist already. The categories already seem to contain "people for whom the GAA connection was merely tangential or not personally defining". Adding or subtracting a person to or from a county isn't part of the proposal.
I tried to simplify it by describing the existing categories and their contents. As removing contents from the categories didn't seem like a good idea. --Gaois (talk) 23:03, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • That is a sensible comment. The categories should be split to Gaelic footballers and hurlers, and purged from non-players. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:51, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree they should be purged of non-players. There are not that many and this shouldn't be difficult. I didn't want to make this proposal any longer than it was. But since the issue has been raised... I agree.
Yet even if/when they are purged of non-players, the problem identified in the proposal remains. The camogie players are also... players. And they are overseen by the Camogie Association. Not the GAA. And the ladies' Gaelic footballers play too. They are attached to the Ladies' Gaelic Football Association. Hence the unsuitability of "GAA" (disambiguation) and "Gaelic Athletic Association" (not all of the players fit).
It sounds like the word "people" in the proposal should be swapped for "players", so that the categories should be retitled "Gaelic games players from"....? That title would cover every player (camogie/hurling/football/men/women) and is similar to Category:Field hockey players from County Dublin, Category:Rugby union players from County Dublin. It also allows the non-players (who are already in the categories) to be purged.
So, for example, Category:Gaelic games players from County Antrim, Category:Gaelic games players from Connacht. Are there any objections to this proposal? --Gaois (talk) 23:04, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to be pointing towards a re-name of Category:Gaelic games players from County Antrim which I could support. That, however, is not your nomination. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:04, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. I will update the nomination. --Gaois (talk) 17:48, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support updated nomination per recent discussion above. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ottoman architecture in Algeria and Tunisia

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:56, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per a discussion at Category talk:Moorish architecture. The architecture in both Algeria and Tunisia during this period is a diverse hybrid of styles that is not easily categorized as just one thing. Bundling these under "Ottoman architecture" might be ok in a superficial geopolitical sense, but this wording implies they are "Ottoman" in style, which is overly simplistic and rather misleading when comparing to what's said by reliable references that cover these topics (e.g. Marçais 1954 p. 423 and after, Bloom & Blair 1995 p. 251 and after, Bloom 2020 p. 215 and after). This is already summarized (using these sources) at the relevant articles Architecture of Algeria and Architecture of Tunisia. In some cases, the buildings built by local "Ottoman" elites don't look much like imperial Ottoman architecture and are not described as such by sources. The de facto independence of both countries in later periods also complicates the label even if taken in a strictly political sense. The categories themselves are still needed, and should be embedded under their current parent categories, but changing it to "Architecture of (...)" affords a more neutral wording that avoids implying a narrower stylistic classification. R Prazeres (talk) 02:14, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Citizens through descent

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The result of the discussion was: manual partial merge/purge. I will list these at WP:CFDWM for follow-up. – Fayenatic London 10:03, 16 December 2022 (UTC) – Fayenatic London 10:03, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting
  • Category:Citizens through descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  • Category:Citizens of Albania through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Algeria through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Angola through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Antigua and Barbuda through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Argentina through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Armenia through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Australia through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Azerbaijan through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Benin through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Bosnia and Herzegovina through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Bulgaria through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Burkina Faso through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Cameroon through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Canada through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Cape Verde through descent
  • Category:Citizens of the Central African Republic through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Chile through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Comoros through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Croatia through descent
  • Category:Citizens of the Democratic Republic of the Congo through descent
  • Category:Citizens of the Dominican Republic through descent
  • Category:Citizens of El Salvador through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Equatorial Guinea through descent
  • Category:Citizens of France through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Germany through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Ghana through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Greece through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Guinea through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Guinea-Bissau through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Guyana through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Haiti through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Iraq through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Ireland through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Italy through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Ivory Coast through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Jamaica through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Japan through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Lebanon through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Malaysia through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Mali through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Mauritania through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Mexico through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Morocco through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Nigeria through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Pakistan through descent
  • Category:Citizens of the State of Palestine through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Paraguay through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Peru through descent
  • Category:Citizens of the Philippines through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Poland through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Portugal through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Saint Kitts and Nevis through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Senegal through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Spain through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Togo through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Trinidad and Tobago through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Tunisia through descent
  • Category:Citizens of Turkey through descent
  • Category:Citizens of the United Kingdom through descent
  • Category:Citizens of the United States through descent
Nominator's rationale: Appears to be WP:NONDEF and WP:OVERLAPCAT with Category:People by nationality. Descent is the primary way of acquiring citizenship and for some countries over 90% of biographies would fit into it, cluttering the categorization. Brandmeistertalk 14:51, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I previously closed this discussion as merge. That has been reverted per User talk:Qwerfjkl#Citizens through descent categories deletion question.
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Category:Independence League

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 November 25#Category:Independence League

Category:WikiProject Villages members

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:58, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WikiProject is now defunct. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:12, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:International bodies of Reformed denominations (currently existing)

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:58, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: If it would be helpful to distinguish current and former, then the way we do it is to create a sub-cat for "Former…", not a sibling for "current". – Fayenatic London 14:26, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Tunisian writers in Arabic

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The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:59, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Manual merge, dispersing the contents to Tunisian writers/Saudi Arabian writers or appropriate sub-categories thereof. Only countries outside the Arab world need sub-cats for Category:Arabic-language writers by nationality. – Fayenatic London 13:14, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Writers by nationality and language

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 21:00, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Two of these hold only one sub-category, making them unnecessary for navigation. If the above merge for writers in Arabic is carried, then this will also be true for the Saudi category. – Fayenatic London 13:22, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Astronomical objects by source of name

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The result of the discussion was: comment merged to other discussion. – Fayenatic London 13:45, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Your reason(s) for the proposed deletion. Darque Fyre (talk) 09:47, 17 November 2022 (UTC) I find these incredibly helpful in their current format. Please do not remove them.[reply]
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Category:Sexual affairs in the Evangelical Church

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 November 25#Category:Sexual affairs in the Evangelical Church

Category:Almoravid literature

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 21:00, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Merging is not needed, the subcategory is already part of Category:Scholars under the Almoravid dynasty and Category:Writers of the medieval Islamic world. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:28, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Horses in mythology

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Category:Ball culture filmmakers

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 21:00, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT for a non-defining intersection of traits. "Ball culture" is not a genre of film per se; it's merely a subject that a couple of documentary films happen to have been about, and thus "ball culture filmmaker" is not a centrally defining trait of the films' directors. This is, rather, somewhere in the suburbs of a WP:PERFCAT violation: it's "filmmakers who happen to have made films about a topic", not "filmmakers who specialize in a specific genre". Bearcat (talk) 01:01, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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