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The article was promoted by SandyGeorgia 22:58, 8 April 2010 [1].


Cerro Azul (Chile volcano)[edit]

Cerro Azul (Chile volcano) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Nominator(s): Awickert, ceranthor Ruslik0 23:07, 12 March 2010 (UTC).[reply]

I am nominating this for featured article because I feel it is a comprehensive, well-written, and interesting account of one of the most powerful volcanoes in the world. Cerro Azul's two greatest eruptions, the largest in South American history, were a bit difficult to find detailed information on at first. When I contacted Awickert and Ruslik0, we were able to improve the article from 4000 bytes of iffy prose to a tight article of 14 kilobytes. Their help has been invaluable, and should not go unrecognized. I'd also like to thank Malleus Fatuorum for copyediting as well as Eubulides for a quick alt text check. Note: I realize that this picture is missing copyright information; I am working on it. I am completely willing to respond to any comments, !votes, or suggestions and will try to do promptly. Thanks! ceranthor 23:07, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This is a WikiCup nomination. To the nominator: if you do not intend to submit this article at the WikiCup, feel free to remove this notice. Ucucha 23:14, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I'd forgotten about the WikiCup. :/ ceranthor 23:15, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I fixed the dab link. Thank you for the help! ceranthor 23:53, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Extended commentary on minor issue moved to talk; please advise when resolved on talk. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:28, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I believe that this has been taken care of. Is there anything else that needs to be fixed? Awickert (talk) 18:39, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No. That's done. Striking my objection. Gene Nygaard (talk) 21:37, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've tried to fix your concerns; tell me any others you have. ceranthor 16:57, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Seems all good. Ironholds (talk) 20:46, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:25, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. ceranthor 16:57, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Is this any better? ceranthor 02:12, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes it is, but this is even better. How could I tell from the picture that there was a glacier? And I thought that Ucucha claimed above to have removed all references to colour? --Malleus Fatuorum 03:08, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
All inappropriate references to color. Ucucha 03:17, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
All references to colour are inappropriate. --Malleus Fatuorum 03:53, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Color that is an important part of the visual appearance of the image should be mentioned in alt text. Currently the only color mentioned is "black", as in "black caldera", and that use seems appropriate. Perhaps the inappropriate references to color were removed before I got here? Eubulides (talk) 05:45, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Alt text for maps needs to convey the most important information sighted readers get from the image," and "should be short and sweet, one sentence at most", seems like a difficult dichotomy to straddle for complex diagrams. What is the verdict on things like the tectonic/volcanic map? Awickert (talk) 08:27, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We should take the advice of authorities in the field, like the RNIB. I quote from their guidelines on alt text for what they call complex images: "Complex images are images whose full meaning cannot be adequately described in a short phrase or sentence. This may include graphs, charts and maps. A brief name or description should be given in the ALT text, and a longer description of the content of the image given elsewhere."[2] --Malleus Fatuorum 13:30, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK - thank you. I'll fix them based on this. Awickert (talk) 17:14, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done unless other issues arise. Awickert (talk) 18:35, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That looks much better, thanks. But I don't think you can use templates in alt text; in any event, the alt text for the map in the infobox is broken. --Malleus Fatuorum 18:42, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The templates were removed here, so that fixes that problem. Eubulides (talk) 05:45, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Awickert (talk) 05:52, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The first one I am still sorting out. The second one is legitimate, I believe, given a review of the user's edits. I have provided the source for the third one. ceranthor 17:03, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This picture is extremely close; hopefully, I'll find it. Malleus, I am working on the alt text issues. I'm a bit time pressed so I';ll have to finish them tomorrow. ceranthor 17:08, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I just replaced the first image with one from the USGS. This resolves the copyright issue and should probably be the one that we use unless someone has found a better image and/or resolved the prior copyright issues. Awickert (talk) 16:45, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments. Looks good, but needs a bit of scrutinty for 1. Here's the lead:

Fixed all of the above; thanks for the comments. Awickert (talk) 05:59, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


  • Second sentence is a bit awkward. The current phrasing makes it seem like the lower slopes are capped by the summit crater? I am not familiar with volcano terminology; is that accurate?
  • The third paragraph of the lead looks like it would be better served for a Volcanoes in Chile article. Perhaps that needs to be reorganized to focus on the Threats and preparedness paragraph.
The point of that blurb is to connect the number of volcanoes in Chile to the threat from them.
  • Does "Descabezado Grande" ever refer to anything other than the volcano? If not, "Descabezado Grande volcano" is probably redundant.
  • Wikilink "caldera complexes" and "Holocene"?
  • "500 meters (1,640 ft) deep struts" – meters should probably be singular,
  • The tense in "First documented activity, 1846" needs to be made consistent. Right now, it is a mixture of past, present perfect, and present tenses.
I think I fixed this.
The second sentence still has both past and present tenses. In addition, the fourth sentence feels a little awkward now.
  • The third sentence of "Early twentieth century" has some passive voice that doesn't need to be there.
  • Wikilink "plume"?
  • To the uninformed, the second sentence of "Major eruption, 1932" seems a like a non sequitor. How does a sentence about the frequency of the volcano's :activity flow from a clause about the the lack of large Plinian eruptions?
  • Standardize your AMs and PMs.
  • Choose either imperial or scientific notation and stick to it. Sometimes you have miles (km) and other times you have kilometers (mi).
I don't think there are any mi to kilometer converts in the article.
Second to last sentence of "Major eruption, 1932".
  • The Mount Hudson picture, if one does not look at the caption, makes the reader think that that is a picture of Cerro Azul. I think it ought to be removed.
I modified the caption to clarify that it wasn't Cerro Azul. The reason I included it was because it was accessible and because Hudson is the best known of the Chilean volcanoes, IIRC.
Even so, it seems a bit misleading for someone who is only skimming the article. But it is your call.
  • I don't really understand the part about the VDAP. If their goal is to help out with relief efforts, why are they outfitted with equipment to monitor :volcanoes?
Should be clarified.
  • As a matter of fact, that entire section seems an amalgamation of things that have happened in the Andes in general and things that have happened in the craters of Cerro Azul. Perhaps it could be refocused?
How so?
Well, looking back on it, I'm not terribly sure why I made that comment. I suppose it isn't terribly important in any case.
  • Why was the González-Ferrán source not used?
I have not been able to find it anywhere. I considered it, but then we were able to find excellent information from the Hildreth and Stern papers.
Except for the ones I've responded to, these are fixed.
I think I got to all of these now. Thanks! ceranthor 15:44, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, I am happy supporting now. NW (Talk) 19:06, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Juliancolton | Talk 02:31, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the useful comments.
  • "Azul": I agree; I made all of them use the full name.
  • Phrase replaced with your suggestion.
  • The link is piped because "effusive" redirects to effusion, which isn't what we're talking about
  • Well, I mean why is [[Effusive eruption|effusive]] eruption instead of [[effusive eruption]] used? –Juliancolton | Talk 05:08, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, isn't that obvious! Sure thing. To what lengths will my obliviousness take me next...? Awickert (talk) 07:38, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • In 1932, 9.5 cubic kilometers (2.3 cu mi) of dacitic tephra erupted...: what is wrong with "dacitic tephra"? I imagine that it is because it is technical language: "dacitic" is composition, "tephra" is morphology. We could say "ash" if the consensus is that a less-technical more-generic term in the lede is better.
  • I think that I agree with you on the last paragraph of the lede being out of place. Geology could be done, but ASAP for me (at least) is the weekend.
Awickert (talk) 04:36, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • No worries, I'll finish a review of the rest of the article before them. –Juliancolton | Talk 05:08, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Great, and thanks so much for your time! Awickert (talk) 07:38, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The issue here is rather the clumsy connector "with", which hardly ever works. Changed to "... but most of its eruptions in recorded history originated in Quizapu Crater, on the northern flank of Cerro Azul's cone." --Malleus Fatuorum 20:22, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Juliancolton | Talk 20:09, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Between the bunch of us, looks like these are taken care of. Thanks for your careful reading. (The elevation issue was due to two different sources; I decided to keep the Global Volcanism Program one, as the other paper talked a little too much about variability in the height for an article like this; the peak seems to be better.) Awickert (talk) 01:18, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I am stopping for now, more soon. Please revert or fix my copyedits if they have introduced errors. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 00:39, 6 April 2010 (UTC) More comments from Ruhrfisch[reply]

I am done with comments for now. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 01:34, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I tried tweaking the first paragraph of the Threats and preparedness section to focus a bit more on Cerro Azul. I think the second paragraph could also be more focused if the current first sentence Every known type of eruption (Hawaiian, Strombolian, Plinian, Subplinian, phreatomagmatic, and Vulcanian) has occurred at some point in the range. were followed by something about the types of eruption known to have occurred at Cerro Azul. I was asked to come here and comment on this FAC by one of the three nominators - it is a bit disconcerting to have no repsonse(s) to my review comments in over 24 hours. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 11:06, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have changed my comments to support above. I would still prefer to see more translation of Spanish names and something done about overlinking, but it is close enough to support now. Thanks for an interesting article! Nicely done, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 19:37, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Ruhrfisch! Thanks for the help. Sorry for not getting back to you sooner; it's been a crazy week for me. I just did the translations, dealt with as many overlinks as I could readily find, and added in the Cerro Azul specific eruptions (thanks for that suggestion). Awickert (talk) 05:37, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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