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The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 13:21, 15 October 2010 [1].

Juwan Howard[edit]

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Nominator(s): TonyTheTiger

I am nominating this for featured article because it is a high caliber article that failed the previous nomination without significant unresolved outstanding issues. I have requested that the current PR be closed. For me this is a WP:CUP-eligible nomination and I hope it can be closed by month end.TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:19, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:CANVASS; reviewers of older basketball FACs were asked to review, but all opposing reviewers were not contacted. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 11:34, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I probably missed a few supports and a few opposes inadvertantly. I even omitted you because, I don't think you really review anymore now that you run the process, but I think you supported on one.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:47, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If you omitted Sandy because she "run[s] the process", why include me? This causes me even further concerns over canvassing...Tony, you need to check the FACs where you got reviewer names very closely again and make sure you include everyone. Karanacs (talk) 14:51, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I found one person who opposed one of the three basketball FAs he participated in.
I also contacted 1, 2 omitted people.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:35, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Further comments, leaning oppose

Question: Second nom from this nominator today: was this a special sanction? Brianboulton (talk) 07:36, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Oppose The prose is pretty awkward in places. See if you can find someone to help you with a good copy-edit. Here are some examples:

Apology accepted. Might I suggest a simpler sig with fewer clickable options? I see now that "T" means talk and that I must have clicked on "Bio" and then "Discussion" to get to the other talk page, but I did not see that before and have gotten lost in your sig more than once. Finetooth (talk)

Other thoughts:

Dincher comments
Lead

  1. why just one reference in the lead. I favor more or none.
    Generally, this was an attempt at an uncited WP:LEAD. However, due to the wide-ranging nature of the University of Michigan basketball scandal and the common misperception that all of his seasons were wiped out, I felt that this one citation was necessary for the LEAD.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:19, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    fair enough. Dincher (talk) 21:32, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Although most Michigan Wolverines men's basketball records and accomplishments from 1992 to 1998 have been forfeited because of NCAA sanctions stemming from the University of Michigan basketball scandal, Howard's 1993–94 All-American season accomplishment has not. extremely long sentence, should be fixed.
    Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:52, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  3. After one season as an All-Rookie player and a second as an All-NBA performer, he became the first NBA player to sign a $100 million contract. Although he continued to be a productive starter, he never again performed at an All-Star level. ditto.
  4. In 2010, he is entering his 17th NBA season, including five during which his team reached the playoffs. I don't see the need for including his years in the playoss. Seems like he's played for some lousy teams.
    Basically, the lead is attempting to summarize his individual and team accomplishments. Saying, "he's played for some lousy teams", to use your words, is not so encyclopedic. However, Saying he played 17 years and only on five playoff teams serves the encyclopedic purpose.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:55, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that adding the word lousy to the article is not a good idea, what I am calling for is the exclusion of years in the playoffs. I don't think it's notable. Dincher (talk) 20:51, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The aggregate playoff performances of his teams is non-notable. However, in terms of an athlete's bio, playoff performance is defining, whether it is flattering or not.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:29, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  1. During his NBA career, he has developed a reputation as a humanitarian for his civic commitment. of course it's happened during his NBA career, he's still playing and before that he as a kid.
    Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:27, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Overview

  1. which recognizes achievements in scholarship, leadership, service, and character. a click on National Honor Society would tell the reader this, no need to include it here.
    removed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:58, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Howard was brought up by his maternal grandmother, Jannie Mae Howard, who adopted him and who died a few hours after he announced that he would attend Michigan. jumbled mess
  3. By his sophomore year - redundant, the title of the section is sophmore year.
    O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:46, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ruhrfisch comments - I was asked to review this by Tony. I quickly read the whole article and am slowly working my way through a detailed review of it, so my comments will come in sections.

Howard's single mother was 17 when he was born and did not want to raise her child. Howard was brought up by his maternal grandmother, Jannie Mae Howard, who adopted him. He grew up in a three-bedroom apartment on 69th Street on the South Side of Chicago.[5] His biological father, Leroy Watson, Jr., wanted to name him Howard Leroy III, but his grandmother decided otherwise.[4]
Howard attended Chicago Vocational Career Academy, where he was named a 1991 All-American basketball player by Parade magazine and won McDonald's All American honors. He was also chosen for the National Honor Society, which recognizes achievements in scholarship, leadership, service, and character.[2][3][4] During recruiting visits by college coaches such as Lou Henson, Joey Meyer and Fisher, Jannie Mae Howard did most of the questioning.[4] His grandmother died a few hours after he announced that he would attend Michigan. After her fatal heart attack, Howard moved in with his high-school coach, Richard Cook.[4] Howard has no siblings and is not close to his biological parents.[6]

More to come, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 16:24, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

More comments from Ruhrfsich

This is looking pretty rough for FAC. More comments to come. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 15:54, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - see above, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:18, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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