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The article was promoted by Karanacs 14:07, 5 October 2011 [1].

McDonnell XF-85 Goblin[edit]

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Nominator(s): Sp33dyphil "Ad astra" 23:56, 10 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured article because the article has been an A-class article for a few weeks now, during which the article was further expanded and polished by user Bzuk. I think the article had meet every FA criterion, and is ready to undergo some criticism before FA. Sp33dyphil "Ad astra" 23:56, 10 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This is a WikiCup nomination. The following nominators are WikiCup participants: Sp33dyphil. To the nominator: if you do not intend to submit this article at the WikiCup, feel free to remove this notice. UcuchaBot (talk) 00:01, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Minor formating issue: Inline citations should follow the final stop with no space, followed by a space before the next sentence. "Example number one.[1] Example number two.[2]"   Will Beback  talk  00:11, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - spotchecks not done. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:48, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Nearly done. I don't completely get the 4th and 8th points. I'm don't know what the answers of the 3rd and 6th points. Sp33dyphil "Ad astra" 03:57, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Your bibliography is mostly in alphabetical order by author last name, but not entirely. You format some issue numbers as "No." but others as "Number" - this should be consistent. As to the 3rd and 6th points, I don't know the answers either. Can you find out? Nikkimaria (talk) 13:58, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Comments. As always, feel free to revert my copyediting. Please check the edit summaries. - Dank (push to talk) 03:26, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • I don't think you'd need it. BTW, the article talks nothing about aviation. I wouldn't mind it though. Sp33dyphil "Ad astra" 03:51, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Per M-W, "requirement" means "something required"; the sense you're using here isn't in the dictionary. Not being in the dictionary is usually a good enough reason to define something; it's even more important if a term has a well-known meaning that fits the context that could confuse the reader. - Dank (push to talk) 04:01, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It is in the dictionary – the Air Force required a parasite fighter, and McDonnell and the like responded. Sp33dyphil "Ad astra" 04:04, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, then the general reader who doesn't know the formal term won't be confused ... but engineers won't be sure which meaning you're going for (until they read the text). How about either "a ... request for a fighter" or "requirements for a fighter"? - Dank (push to talk) 04:24, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Support Oppose Comments--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 01:22, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hmm, the book doesn't follow up with another top speed, so instead I put 650mph whcih comes from the National Museum of the US Air Force. Sp33dyphil "Ad astra" 07:00, 12 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dates are given in the article and are correct as such.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 20:43, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • This issue still hasn't been addressed. I've changed to oppose until it has been dealt with. If you need info to fix it, please say so, but I'll note that the FICON article actually gives the proper sequence if you pay attention to the dates.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:02, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments User:Bzuk checking in.

Comments;

  • This has been re-phrased now, but "riding aboard the EB-29B, in the XF-85" also seems confusing. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 03:08, 21 September 2011 (UTC) has been fixed --Demiurge1000 (talk) 07:01, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think this is what it means. Since I don't have access to the publication, I cannot comment further on this. Sp33dyphil "Ad astra" 06:01, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hmm, perhaps you're right, it does sound rather impractical. Maybe it would be better as "The initial specification called for the B-36 carrier aircraft to be able to carry either three F-85s or one atomic bomb" ? has been fixed

--Demiurge1000 (talk) 07:01, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

--Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:11, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Now fixed and suitably expanded... a small topic but comprehensively covered. Support. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:16, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - nice article!

  • The Spitfire and Hurricane were short range fighters, and couldn't accompany a bomber from England to Berlin. (The P-51 was particularly significant because it could.) The majority of attacks by Lancasters on German cities took place at night, without fighter escort. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:08, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Point is that the sentence just says "Allied bombers such as ...". it might as well say "US bombers such as...". The Rambling Man (talk) 21:08, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agreed it doesn't need "Allied" - I've changed it to "American". --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:03, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 18:03, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Mostly done. As for the date format, I'd would categorise the aircraft as a modern fighter as it was built following the war (per WP:STRONGNAT). For the serial number, it should "s/n" because it's not an acronym (note the slash). I'd prefer to leave the category alone because there is no consensus regarding the dash/hyphen issue. Thanks for your input :D Sp33dyphil "Ad astra" 00:50, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ok, so should the S/N here: " (B-36J-111, S/N 52-2217A)" be s/n? The Rambling Man (talk) 14:00, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes. If you look through aviation books, construction numbers would be shortened as "c/n"; same with serial numbers. Sp33dyphil "Ad astra" 23:31, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support my concerns addressed. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:15, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - quick spot check on Dorr - the page number on the one cite from Dorr appears to be outside the Wings of Fame article - which spans pages 26–35. It may be helpful to give more bibliographic detail on the precise issue of Wings of Fame used, which was published simultaneously in softback and hardback editions in the UK and AIRtime in the US (all with different ISBN numbers) - the page numbering of these three editions is probaly the same but perhaps not.Nigel Ish (talk) 08:39, 30 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I have spot checked the Gunston 'Fighters of the fifties' cites (currently 24 and 25), no close paraphrasing but the location of the forced landing (Rogers Dry Lake) is not supported by that source as no location is given at all by Gunston for the flight testing or the forced landing. There are many sentences that start directly after a citation without a space bar hit. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 19:37, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done, I've checked any and all statements made by every editor involved in the development of the article, and generally, there is no problem with the information not matching up with the sources or with "close paraphrasing" (whatever the hdoubleLhockey pucks that means, if you are saying "copying" or verbatim use of text; that does not happen in this article). FWiW Bzuk (talk) 15:29, 2 October 2011 (UTC).[reply]


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  1. ^ Cite error: The named reference Smith p. 1062 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. ^ a b Cite error: The named reference J&L p. 85 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  3. ^ Cite error: The named reference Boeing XF-85 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  4. ^ Dorr 1997, p. 101.
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