- The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 23 July 2023 [1].
- Nominator(s): Elias 🌊 💬 "Will you call me?"
📝 "Will you hang me out to dry?" 02:34, 23 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This will be the last Billie Eilish article I take to FAC, at least for a while. The article's about a short film she did in which she addressed the awful comments about her body she got while she was still a minor. It is on the short side, so I hope reviewing it shan't be super tedious. Elias 🌊 💬 "Will you call me?"
📝 "Will you hang me out to dry?" 02:34, 23 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- "in March 9, 2020" => "on March 9, 2020"
- "commentary and tone, which they wrote was empowering" - did they say both were empowering? If so, the verb should be plural. If it was just the tone, then I would suggest changing to "commentary and the tone, which they wrote was empowering"
- "feeling like it lost" => "feeling that it lost"
- Think that's it - nice work! BTW I have another FAC of my own up at the moment if you fancied taking a look - I really appreciated your review of my last one. If you don't fancy it or don't have the time, that's honestly not a problem! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:30, 23 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Thank you @ChrisTheDude for the review. Unfortunately, Ive recently returned to classes, with lots of work I have to catch up with, so Im afraid i cant provide reviews atm ... i hope you understand . sorry Elias 🌊 💬 "Will you call me?"
📝 "Will you hang me out to dry?" 02:24, 24 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support on this one, no worries on the other one :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:53, 24 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Heartfox[edit]
- "in a dark room, where" → in a dark room where
- "caught the public's attention and scrutiny" → attracted public attention and scrutiny
- "She had been wearing such clothes" → She wore such clothes
- "Many people saw her as undesirable and unfeminine because of what she wore" → Consequently, many people saw her as undesirable and unfeminine
- Trimmed. I moved the sentence to the left to improve the flow
- "or called" → and called
- "room, and it begins" → room and begins
- "showcasing her" → showcasing of her
- "towards women's appearance" → towards women's appearances
- "felt like it" → felt that it
- "On a more positive note, NME's Sophie Williams regarded "Not My Responsibility" as one of Eilish's "most powerful and haunting songs" in her discography." → doesn't fit with the paragraph
- Moved to previous paragraph
I limited my review to prose. Best, Heartfox (talk) 18:39, 7 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Sorry I did not get to this in time; real life stuff. Everything should be addressed now - the comments were solid! Thank you @Heartfox! Elias 🌊 💬 "Will you call me?"
📝 "Will you hang me out to dry?" 03:18, 11 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support based on the prose ~ Heartfox (talk) 21:31, 11 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support from Gog the Mild[edit]
Recusing to review.
- "It premiered during the Where Do We Go? World Tour". Optional: "the" → 'her'.
- "Some music journalists labeled it as the album's centerpiece". You haven't, IMO, clearly established what "it" is. Suggest either rephrasing to clarify or "it" → 'this'.
- Lead: "the double standards and body shaming she has received as a public figure"; article: 'a response against body shaming and the double standards placed upon young women's appearances.' The lead states the piece is a response to personal criticism while the article says it is about criticism of young women in general.
- "in her career to date". To date being today or the - unspecified - time of writing?
- "Uproxx music editor Derrick Rossignol wrote that the film marked Eilish's "biggest statement" about body shaming in her career to date." You haven't overtly said that she had made any previous such statements. "had been using her platform to spread a message of body positivity" might or might not have included such.
- "Is my value based only on your perception? Or is your opinion of me not my responsibility?" I am not sure that this merits being quoted twice.
- "she felt inspired by the continuing drive to speak out against unfair standards towards women's appearance". I am not sure that this works grammatically. "the continuing drive" to what?
- "felt like it could have" → 'felt that it could have'.
- "Larocca, as a reply to Ahgrim, added". Added to what?
A neat little article. Gog the Mild (talk) 14:45, 9 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Hi @Gog the Mild! Thank you for the comments. Everything here should be addressed now. Let me know what you think. Elias 🌊 💬 "Will you call me?"
📝 "Will you hang me out to dry?" 07:58, 11 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Good stuff, supporting. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:06, 11 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Image and source review[edit]
File:ALTer EGO 1 18 2020 (50740816801).jpg needs to have its description cleaned up a bit. File:Billie Eilish - Not My Responsibility.png is sourced to a Youtube video; it'd be easier to check if the video link pointed to the exact moment. Source #29 and #42 are a bit unusually formatted, source #14 lacks author information. Otherwise source formatting seems to be consistent and feature the required information. Didn't notice anything outstanding in terms of source reliability, but keep in mind that popular culture is not my strong suit. Spot-check upon request. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:17, 15 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Image descriptions have been updated, and the timestamp for the YouTube link has been added
- #29 and #42 are that way because that is how the cite magazine and the cite AV media notes templates produced the references. I simply fed the template with all available parameters I could get from the sources, and whatever it outputs really was out my control. It looks out of place I agree, and I'd have formatted it differently, but such is the imperfection of how our current cite templates are
- Re. Source 14, the author is "Team Elle", but citing the collective staff of a publication as the author is unadvised per Help:Citation Style 1#Authors.
Thanks for the review, @Jo-Jo Eumerus :) should be done now Elias 🌊 💬 "Will you call me?"
📝 "Will you hang me out to dry?" 14:26, 15 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Seems OK then. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:09, 15 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hey @WP:FAC coordinators: . since there seems to be enough reviews already, I will be nominating a new article for FAC . I hope that's ok! Regards, Elias 🌊 💬 "Will you call me?"
📝 "Will you hang me out to dry?" 23:02, 15 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Yes, you can nominate another -- pls always wait till a coord responds to such a request though (we have to earn our pay!) Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 23:11, 15 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- I was uncertain about this part, many people saw her as undesirable and unfeminine, since the "many people" wording seemed rather vague to me. I checked the source to see if there was anything more specific, but this seems to be supported by a general statement by Eilish. I think it would be best to provide that context in the prose (i.e. that Eilish said this) and the "many" part is slightly misleading as her quote does not explicitly say this view was held up by a majority of people or a large number of people.
- i believe a better way to convey what i was trying to say is that she received several comments about her fashion style - she explicitly says she has, and it just is obviously true . hopefully it addresses your concern
- I have a similar comment to this sentence: She continued to receive negative comments about her appearance, getting called a slut and a "fat cow" among others. The article presents this critiques as fact, but the quote reads somewhat more ambiguous to me. The quote could read more like abstract examples or a larger discussion on the issues and not necessarily things that really happened to her. Like my above point, I would clarify that this is something she said. I think this kind of contextualization is important.
- I have a comment for this sentence: Uproxx music editor Derrick Rossignol wrote that, at the time of its release, the film marked Eilish's "biggest statement" about body shaming in her career. It struck me as odd on my first reading since at this point, Eilish was still a relatively new artist so it did not seem like there was a lot of comparison or history to draw from or compare to. I read the source, and it contextualizes this as her biggest statement amongst her other work on body shaming. I know you mentioned this earlier in the section, but when I read this part, I thought career was focused more on her music. I think this sentence could be better worded to give clarity on what the author means and why it matters.
- I'm a bit stumped on this - can you provide a suggestion of what I can do wrt this situation ?
- For this part, whereas the "intense" manner in which, I would paraphrase the quote. I have been told in past reviews that single-word quotes like this could actually take away from the effectiveness of other quotes, and this word does not seem particularly illuminating enough to warrant a quote on its own, at least in my opinion.
- Is "zealous" a better word choice ?
- Just a clarification question, but does the song use the spoken-word piece from the film with different (or even the same production) or did Eilish rerecord it as a song (i.e. singing it rather than speaking it)?
- The audio you hear in the film is the audio you hear in the track . Well most of the track . In the film, everything ends when Eilish says the title, but the album track has additional music at the end (which transitions into "Overheated") . This YouTube video illustrates what I mean .
- The contributions from Dave Kutch and Rob Kinelski to the song should be presented in the prose, and not just in the "Credits and personnel" section.
- The chart information should also be presented in the prose and not just in a separate table.
I hope this review is helpful. I have only focused on the prose, as image and source reviews have already been conducted. Hopefully, my review will give this FAC the push that it needs for promotion. Once everything has been addressed above, I will read through the article a few more times just to make sure that I have not missed anything. Best of luck with the FAC! Aoba47 (talk) 23:34, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Elias? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 18:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Your Power, nudge. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:25, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- @Gog the Mild @Ian Rose: sorry, life became extremely busier these past few days, and I need to stall this nom for a couple more ... I'll try getting back to this nomination in a week and get everything sorted out Elias 🌊 💬 "Will you call me?"
📝 "Will you hang me out to dry?" 01:00, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Take as much time as you need, but I would request that you ping me when you address my comments. Aoba47 (talk) 01:35, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Your Power Apologies for the double-response and ping. Just wanted to check in on you as it has been a while since there has been an update. Aoba47 (talk) 02:13, 25 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Sorry sorry sorry sorry :( i've already responded to the first two comments; let me know @Aoba47 if the changes I made sufficiently satisfied your concerns . i'll get to the rest in a moment, after I have lunch Elias 🌊 💬 "Will you call me?"
📝 "Will you hang me out to dry?" 04:44, 17 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- No need to apologize. Life happens and should take priority over Wikipedia. I am honestly just glad you are doing better and I hope you (and everything else) continue to do well in the future. The first two responses and the corresponding edits make sense to me. Thank you for addressing them, and I hope you have a good lunch. Aoba47 (talk) 14:37, 17 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Thank you so much @Aoba47 . Conversely I hope all is well on your side of the world . life feels uncertain and directionless at times, but the reality is we all have to persevere and have resilience to get through shit . sending positive vibes ur way . we all need it this month , anyways , onto the actual purpose of this page lol . my responses to everything should be complete ! :) Elias 🌊 💬 "Will you call me?"
📝 "Will you hang me out to dry?" 15:54, 17 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for the responses and for your kind words. I am not sure if it helps, but I can relate to how you are feeling. I've been feeling directionless myself, which is why I am taking a WikiBreak to recenter and find my direction again. I completely agree it is really a matter of perseverance, and I hope things go well with you. I appreciate the good vibes, and I return that same good energy to you in return.
Upon further reflection, I think the "biggest statement" part works in its current wording. It passed through multiple, experienced reviewers without any note, and I believe it was a case of me just over-thinking it if that makes sense. Zealous works as a good paraphrase substitution in my opinion, and thank you fro addressing my question about the audio for the film and the song.
I was initially uncertain about the chart information as in a majority of my experiences with music FAs/FACs, I have seen the chart placements more explicitly stated in the prose, but upon further reflection and research, your edit makes sense. I was mostly convinced by how "I'm Goin' Down" handles this information (i.e. with being as explicit in the prose), and since that was done by an editor that I highly respect, I believe this case is appropriate. I do like how you incorporated the note. I think I was just less familiar with this aspect as I work on more obscure songs that do not get this kind of chart placement normally lol.
Anyway, apologies for rambling, I support this FAC for promotion based on the prose, and I hope that this is the push it needs to get a FA level. Best of luck with your future work on here. I look forward to seeing and reading it. Aoba47 (talk) 17:22, 17 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- <3 Elias 🌊 💬 "Will you call me?"
📝 "Will you hang me out to dry?" 04:49, 18 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Billie Eilish Not My Responsibility's background, narrative, and musical aspects are well divided, so I think the composition of the article is good.--GeonwooLee (talk) 07:33, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Coordinator note[edit]
Hi Your Power. I note that you haven't been on Wikipedia for a couple of weeks, or posted here for longer. I hope that everything is ok with you in RL. This nom could do with some responses posting before too long, or it is liable to be timed out. Cheers. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:34, 9 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Thank you for the reminder @Gog the Mild ... tbh real life, especially my bipolar disorder, has drained my ability to do anything productive . the amount of meltdowns I've had is too many to count ... everything around me seems to be falling apart . but with a newly rejuvenated state of mind, I promise I'd get to @Aoba47's responses soon . first I'll get to the "Ex Pack" nomination :) Elias 🌊 💬 "Will you call me?"
📝 "Will you hang me out to dry?" 11:12, 12 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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