The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 16:57, 20 June 2009 [1].

Peru national football team[edit]

Nominator(s): [|!*//MarshalN20\\*!|] (talk) 19:20, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured article because...I believe that it meets the FA criteria, it made it to GA status and from that point on has received much review and contributions from various editors. Modeled after the Scotland national football team article (FA status), I believe that the Peru national football team article exemplifies Wikipedia's best works and hope that whoever reviews this agrees with me.--[|!*//MarshalN20\\*!|] (talk) 19:20, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"To promote the growth of the sport, British residents of Peru and Peruvians returning from England began to increment the practice of football." Do you mean "implement", or perhaps "increase"? Dabomb87 (talk) 03:24, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Increase, of course. Football was already implemented by the sailors by that time. Thanks for pointing that out.--[|!*//MarshalN20\\*!|] (talk) 04:08, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oldelpaso (talk) 16:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your constructive suggestions.--[|!*//MarshalN20\\*!|] (talk) 18:09, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, this might sound silly, but what is the watermark in the picture you mention?--[|!*//MarshalN20\\*!|] (talk) 18:33, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The text saying (c) Jose C Swain. Oldelpaso (talk) 18:54, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, I can do that. It should be fixed now.--[|!*//MarshalN20\\*!|] (talk) 19:45, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I believe that almost everything you mentioned should be fixed by now. There are a couple of exceptions, though. The first is the Jaime Pulgar Vidal blogspot, which I really cannot find a replacement to, and I really do not want to delete it as it provides important historical information to the article; I hope this is not going to remain a major issue for the present FA candidacy of the article. The second and last is the copyedit you suggested, as obviously I will not be able to find the problems with the article (I wrote it, so I really can't find a writing problem with it); what do you suggest I could do? Other than that, everything else you mentioned should be fixed.--[|!*//MarshalN20\\*!|] (talk) 01:23, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What credentials does Vidal have? Oldelpaso (talk) 14:46, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
He provides information about himself on his blog. From this source, he claims to hold a Bachelor's degree on history from the National University of San Marcos and to have the profession of a sports journalist. His information has apparently been used in a book entitled "Ese Gol Existe" ("That Goal Exists"). His information has been used as reference in other Wikipedia articles (Spanish wiki) and on a series of websites. I don't know if this is enough to prove his credibility (I'm assuming good faith, and so far he does seem credible; but I know there's a difference between seem and fact), so I've sent him a message in order to establish some sort of contact with him. Hopefully, if he decides to reply back, he will provide more information on his credentials.--[|!*//MarshalN20\\*!|] (talk) 21:31, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I found another source that helps establish his credibility. It's again on the matter of the book "That Goal Exists," but this time it has more information on it provided by the French Institute of Andean Studies. According to the information they provide, they certify that Mr. Vidal had input in the book, and that the book's editor is the Pontifical Catholic University of Peru.--[|!*//MarshalN20\\*!|] (talk) 21:39, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Mr. Vidal provided his credentials (Yay!). You can reach them by clicking on this link. I'm truly quite surprised that he replied. However, he has provided the information in Spanish. I told him to provide the information in whatever language was easiest for him, so if you would like for me to translate his text then feel free to ask me (I'll translate it exactly as he wrote it in Spanish, but only if you, the evaluators, deem it necessary).--[|!*//MarshalN20\\*!|] (talk) 06:21, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I gather from that (I don't speak Spanish) that he has covered football topics on TV, radio and in print, so I'm satisfied there.
However, on other parts of the article where sourcing could be stronger, I am certain that decent sources exist, just perhaps not on the web. World Cups and Copa Americas are by no means obscure events. I own just two football books which mention Peru at all, a total of a mere couple of pages of material, but even from that there are passages which would provide stronger referencing than that currently present. For instance, Brian Glanville's Story of the World Cup makes it clear that Peru's 1970 World Cup side were noted for playing in an attacking manner; "the Peruvians scorned negative methods" and "delighted in attack" but "that Peru's defence was very far from the equal of their shining attack had been plain in their concluding group game against West Germany". For an FA I'd expect more robust referencing than that generally present at the moment. Oldelpaso (talk) 08:02, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There are some good book sources for Peru in the World Cup and the Copa America, but that's as far as it goes. Only recently are people like Mr. Vidal putting on paper the early days of Peruvian football (1890s-1960s). You're right, though, that more robust referencing would make the article stronger. The way things are going, I can tell that the article won't pass the FA candidacy at this point, but it's been a constructive experience nonetheless. Not only did the article get Mr. Vidal's credibility established, but now I know that the main issues it needs work in are the prose's copy-editing and stronger referencing (from books). Thanks.--[|!*//MarshalN20\\*!|] (talk) 12:16, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
On a similar note, your points 9, 11, 12, 13, and 14 should be fixed by now.--[|!*//MarshalN20\\*!|] (talk) 12:16, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Examples are always helpful. There is only 5 non-free images. The image currently tagged as "questionable" is the one that I took from User:jcswayne, who had it under the GUN free license. The user who nominated the image as "questionable" has not even bothered to reply to the explanation I gave for the picture, and that therefore should not be counted on the article's fault.--[|!*//MarshalN20\\*!|] (talk) 19:37, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The user who nominated the image replied, and has agreed that there is no problem with the image. Please check the link for verification of my statement.--[|!*//MarshalN20\\*!|] (talk) 21:31, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Note that I did not look at the non-English sources. --Ealdgyth - Talk 13:38, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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