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The article was promoted by GrahamColm 19:11, 20 September 2012 [1].

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Nominator(s): Sasata (talk) 21:06, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

For a mushroom, Phallus indusiatus has it all: an exotic fruit body that can be likened to a stinky penis wearing a white mesh skirt, a long history of medicinal and culinary use, widespread distribution, and useful bioactive properties. In Nigeria, one can use it as a spell component to make you invisible or curse your enemies, and in Hawaii, to bring women to spontaneous orgasm. Thanks again to Circéus for providing a pre-FAC review. Sasata (talk) 21:06, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This is a WikiCup nomination. The following nominators are WikiCup participants: Sasata. To the nominator: if you do not intend to submit this article at the WikiCup, feel free to remove this notice. UcuchaBot (talk) 00:01, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Image review from Crisco 1492

• File:Phallus indusiatus 96871 ed2.jpg is licensed CC-BY-SA-NC (non-commercial), and thus not free enough for Wikipedia.

• Well, this was CC-BY-SA 3.0 when it passed FPC a couple years ago, but there's a nice unambiguously free replacement, so I've substituted it in its place. Sasata (talk) 01:03, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Do you have a screen cap from the time, or an archive? I looked for it in the Wayback Machine but couldn't find anything. As the license is irrevocable, it's still allowed if it's established that it was originally CC-BY-SA — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:49, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Unfortunately, the only "proof" there is now is the assumption that someone checked it during the FPC process. At my request, Mushroom Observer now logs user changes in image licensing, but, alas, this feature isn't retroactive. Sasata (talk) 05:04, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• File:Phallus indusiatus.jpg is fine, but could use a Mushroom Observer template

• Done. Sasata (talk) 01:03, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• File:Phallus duplicatus 155213.jpg is fine
• File:2012-07-24 Phallus multicolor crop.jpg is fine
• File:Bamboo pith mushroom.jpg looks okay, assuming that is where the image was first published.
• File:Hydroxymethylfurfural.png and File:Albaflavenone.png - Both fine, although I'd think a white background would look better.

Nothing much here. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:22, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• I'm not sure what you mean about the white background for the structures, they both appear to be white to me? Sasata (talk) 01:03, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• It's transparent, so it's turning up as grey in the article. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:45, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• That's odd, I've never had anyone point this out to me before. Would you mind having at look at Lactarius torminosus and Astraeus hygrometricus to see if you notice a similar issue with the chemical structures in those articles? Sasata (talk) 05:04, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Prose comments from Crisco 1492

• "Phallus indusiatus, commonly called in English" - Those names afterwards are clearly English, so "in English" is redundant.

• Good point, removed. Sasata (talk) 01:03, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• "Another notable use was a state banquet held for Henry Kissinger on his visit to China to reestablish diplomatic relations in the early 1970s" - No mention that he was from the US? Admittedly most people from the Anglosphere will get this, but I know an IP or two who will complain incessantly.

• Added "American diplomat". Sasata (talk) 01:03, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• "is particularly interesting" - according to?

• Trimmed the POV. Sasata (talk) 01:03, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Standardise the use of the serial comma

• Done. Sasata (talk) 01:03, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Snark: No wonder Mrs Crisco likes mushrooms (no action required)
• Alright, that's it from me, pretty well written. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:44, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks for image checking and reading, Crisco. Sasata (talk) 01:03, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Support on prose and images. This is my first time reviewing a fungus-related article but I must say it looks peachy. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:48, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Sasata (talk) 06:52, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Maky:

• "kinugasa" – is there no kanji equivalent? And if so, I recommend using the template ((Nihongo)) or one of its variants. (After all, you do provide the Ancient Greek lettering.) The same goes for it's Chinese name.

• I did have the Chinese script in before, but pulled it out as I couldn't easily source it (a request at WP:China has gone unanswered). I could get the kanji from the JP-version of the article, but again would have to get a source. I'll drop a line at WP:Japan. Sasata (talk) 05:04, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• I remembered I had a book on Chinese medicinal fungi and am now able to source that common name, Will work on the kanji. Sasata (talk) 05:34, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you need a source for both the Romanized and native script. One is merely a "translation" of the other. Very rarely do I see sources give the Ancient Greek spelling. Most usually used Romanized characters. In my opinion, just include both and don't worry about sourcing it. – Maky ^« talk » 05:40, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• User Ryulong agrees that it doesn't need to be sourced. Kanji added. Sasata (talk) 06:52, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad others agree. Otherwise it would have been a nightmare for some of my subfossil lemur and Japanese anime articles... You have to AGF at some point, especially when you're talking about translations. – Maky ^« talk » 06:56, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• With the ecological distribution, do the sources not say whether this species may have been spread by humans or look at its genome to see whether the specimens in these different regions are genetically distinct? Sorry, I always ask this question because I'm fascinated by species with cosmopolitan distributions. In some fungus species, I'm sure their spores can travel for hundreds, if not thousands of miles by wind. But in this case, given the sticky nature of its spores, it raises more questions for me.

• In recent decades, many tropical stinkhorn fungi have experienced expanding distributions as a result of (a) importation of exotic plants from Asia and (b) importation of wood chips and other similar organic mulching material from tropical biomes. However, I haven't seen any related discussion specific to this fungus, and think it would be more suited for the family (Phallaceae) article (also on my "to-do" list!). I'm not aware of any phylogenetic studies comparing DNA sequences of collections from different continents. Sasata (talk) 05:04, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Good enough for me. – Maky ^« talk » 05:40, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Image caption: "Dried bamboo pith fungus" – Can more information be added to this caption? I don't recall seeing the phrase "bamboo pith fungus" in the text to explain it, and the caption is pretty bland. Personally, I prefer to see an interesting fact stated in image captions (cited in the text).

• Bamboo pith fungus is the English translation of one of the Chinese names I removed. Agree about the caption–now improved. Sasata (talk) 05:04, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Much better! – Maky ^« talk » 05:40, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is a great article. Not much to suggest. It's making me crave stir-fry with mushrooms... as well as mushrooms in general. I'm looking forward to adding my support. – Maky ^« talk » 01:46, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Maky: Article meets FAC requirements in my opinion. – Maky ^« talk » 05:40, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks for the review and support! Sasata (talk) 06:52, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Comments from Jim Fascinating, especially the last paragraph! The usual nitpicking... Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:46, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• P. cinnabarinus, P. luteus, duplicate links in main text.

• De-linked. Sasata (talk) 20:00, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Personally I wouldn't bother linking "Chinese"

• Well, it's piped to Chinese language, and I'd like to keep it in this case to be consistent with the nearby similar links to Ancient Greek and Japanese language (I think the links are appropriate in a paragraph discussing common names in different languages). Sasata (talk) 20:00, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• elder Vaillant,[N 1] — I may well be wrong, but I thought we didn't have annotations inside quotes?

• You may be right, but I couldn't find this mentioned in WP:MOSQUOTE. Sasata (talk) 20:00, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• new species Phallus rochesterensis. — comma after species?

• Done. Sasata (talk) 20:00, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• layer of greenish-brown and foul-smelling slime — I know you explain this later, just wondered if you should put the detail at this earlier point, but it's not a big deal

• Would like to keep the detail in the ecology section, where the function of the slime is discussed. Sasata (talk) 20:00, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• subcutaneously implanted sarcoma — a couple of links might be good

• Added. Sasata (talk) 20:00, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Hydroxymethylfurfural, which occurs naturally in several foods, is not associated with serious health risks. — is this a roundabout way of saying it's safe?

• Yes, but when discussing potential health risks or safety of chemicals, I prefer to keep wording close to the original text. Sasata (talk) 20:00, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• ribonuclease (RNase; an enzyme that cutsRNA into smaller components) — I can't see any reason for the "RNase;". It reads oddly, better just as link and gloss, ribonuclease (an enzyme that cutsRNA into smaller components)

• Sure, done. Sasata (talk) 20:00, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• 6 had orgasms while smelling the fruit body — perhaps you were distracted from the MoS for numbers less than ten?

• Hah; it's my understanding that in sentences with containing digits both greater and less than ten, consistency of presentation is preferred over strict adherence to this guideline ("Comparable quantities should be all spelled out or all figures"). Sasata (talk) 20:00, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• I Look forward to supporting soon.

• Thanks for reviewing! Sasata (talk) 20:00, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• I'm happy with all responses, changed to support above Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:12, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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