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Sharon Newman[edit]

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Nominator: — Arre 06:15, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured article because... I've been working on this article since December 2011. With much work, it finally became a good article in March 2013. Miniapolis (talk · contribs) of the Guild of Copy Editors thoroughly copy-edited it a month later. After much tweaking and further adjustments I feel that it is worthy of being a FA. If you oppose, please address your issues here so they can be resolved. It's a bit lengthy, but it goes into comprehensive depth regarding the topic and covers everything. Thankyou, Arre 06:15, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delegate note -- This page was only transcluded to WP:FAC today so, although it has garnered some comment through a notice on the Soap Opera project page, it's only as of now that it can be expected to pick up any reviewers trawling the FAC list... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:01, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Creativity97[edit]

I am one-hundred percent for this FA nomination. The article has been worked on immensely in the past few years (mostly by Arre) and it really deserves the recognition of featured article status. It would also be the very first FA for American soap opera articles, which would be a big deal. Regards, Creativity97 21:23, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thankyou C97:) Arre 04:23, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Cassianto[edit]

Casting

  • Made adjustments, done. Arre 04:23, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Characterization

  • What do you mean? Introduce it in the prose? Arre 04:23, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, for example: "The theatrical newspaper The Stage thought that the performance was..."
  • Well, a person who took the article Poppy Meadow to FA status mentioned that quotes are extremely helpful for articles like this. Considering they are actual quotes from people. And they aren't long quotes... But I've slightly fixed that issue. Arre 04:23, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Funnily enough I had the Meadow article open which I have used for guidence in my review. This maybe the correct style, but it caused for a very bumpy read. -- CassiantoTalk 09:47, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done, couldn't believe that hadn't been noticed before. Arre 04:23, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nick and Sharon

  • I'm certain that formatting it that way would be incorrect, are you sure? Arre 04:23, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In January 2009 Nick and Sharon reunite..." compared to "In May 2005, 14-year-old Cassie..." and "In February 2003, Case temporarily exited the show..." and "In 2012, after Victor disappears..." etc. Having gone through, I note some are given the comma and some aren't. I don't think there is a correct way, but I would make it consistent if nothing else -- CassiantoTalk 09:47, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ohh sorry I misread that, I thought you meant write it as "January, 2009". Fixed. Arre 11:10, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's not mentioned before, it's just implied. Arre 04:23, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cameron Kirsten ordeal

  • I've re-worded this. It's like that because the business was fake. The article it was from had quotes too. Arre 04:23, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • They are in quotes because they aren't literal events. She wasn't hallucinating and it wasn't his ghost, as in explained in the brackets. I think that should remain. Arre 04:23, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • The use of quote marks here is confusing. Try reading it without; the sentence still reads the same which proves the inverts are redundent. Lets see what others think. -- CassiantoTalk 09:47, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

More to come. -- CassiantoTalk 23:26, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Done everything else. Thankyou :) Arre 04:23, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Cassie's death
  • Fixed & she sort of did find him but didn't say anything to him. Arre 01:58, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fixed overlinks. Arre 01:58, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Other romances

"According to Case, Sharon loses her 'entire identity' after Nick cheats on her and 'needed a new one' " -- more pointless quotes. Needed a new what? This is a little ambiguous.

  • Well, needed a new identity. It would be weird/repetitive to say "According to Case, Sharon loses her entire identity after Nick cheats on her and needs a new identity", don't you think? Arre 01:58, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am not asking you to repeat the word. Please think further afield than that. Is there another word for "identity? Is there a different way the phrase could be written so we only use only one identity? I would also change "cheats" to something a little less tabloidy. Perhaps "needed a new one" is redundent here? Or even "loses her entire identity". *Maybe* "According to Case, Sharon needs a new identity after Nick's infidelity." Or "Sharon becomes depressed at Nick's infidelity. Case thinks that Sharon 'needs a new identity.' " or "According to Case, Sharon loses her entire identity after Nick's infidelity and the character needs to reinvent herself". Or "According to Case, Sharon loses her entire identity after Nick's infidelity and needs to adopt a new personality". What about; "According to Case, Sharon loses her 'entire identity' and needs a new one after Nick's infidelity. " -- CassiantoTalk 04:36, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Changed this. Arre 17:01, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've done that, but it sort of upsets the consistency of all actor names in brackets following the character names. Arre 01:58, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • As a personal rule, I adopt an "anymore than three, give parenthesis" when doing this. Maybe you could do as I suggest if there are singular characters mentioned, but not more than two or three. Keep them as they are. I just think putting the singular ones in prose form breaks down the monotony and awkwardness of relying on parenthesis. -- CassiantoTalk 04:53, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • In fact, before I go on can you please check the whole article for consecutively repeated references, choppy, unnecessary quotes, and consistency in American style commas following dates beginners. I am seeing more and more as I continue, and it is slowing down my review as I have to keep listing them. Cheers -- CassiantoTalk 20:38, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Life as a fugitive
Mental health
Storylines
  • Corrected Arre 11:21, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Reception
  • Corrected Arre 11:21, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Lead section
  • JMO but "in" sounds odd too. I changed it to "from", is that okay? Arre 04:46, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's said by the official website for the soap; it'd be awkward to say "according to the soap's website" in the lead. I altered it to something else; "When first introduced, the character was a young girl from the wrong side of the tracks". Arre 04:46, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay, altered. Arre 13:05, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've written Nicholas "Nick" Newman; is that okay? Arre 04:46, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Obtain means to acquire something. They acquired custody of the child. Arre 04:46, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Obtain is to acquire something yes, but my understanding would be that you obtain something physically. You don't obtain an appeal? You win an appeal as its a battle between two people with one outcome. Similarly, this would work for custody as that too is between two people. -- CassiantoTalk 08:58, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hmm true, okay I've changed it to "won". Arre 13:05, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fixed all of these. Arre 04:46, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support per resolved comments. A good article on a character who I knew nothing about prior to this. CassiantoTalk 05:39, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Caringtype1[edit]

  • As per my points above. Thanks for your view Caringtype1. Arre, I think these will need to be sorted for this to stand a continued chance at FAC. -- CassiantoTalk 20:16, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry to intrude here, but Caringtype1, all I meant when I said the article had been worked on very hard was that editors should continue to work on it and get it to the next stage, which should be a given when someone says something like that. I didn't mean it in any way that it would just be an accomplishment for WP:SOAPS or anything. Just wanted to clarify. Regards, Creativity97 21:13, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oh okay, I just wanted to make sure those were observations you were making, not reasons to pass.Caringtype1 (talk) 02:28, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Caringtype1, I think it would be even worse if full quotes were used, then everyone would be saying the article relies too heavily on quotes, which it would. Like I said before the Poppy Meadow article contains plenty of quotes (not to knock on WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS' door), just saying. I didn't know paraphrasing was this difficult for people to read, to be honest. The person who copy-edited this didn't. I've begun fixing it up anyway.Thanks for your comments. Oh and another thing, yes I do feel that "Cameron Kirsten ordeal" is an appropriate title; that storyline consisted of many tumultuous events and to list them all would be too much. But I'd be open to changing it, do you have suggestions, Caringtype1?Arre 01:58, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I guess using several lengthy quotes would be worse. But I think less chopped up quotes would really help the flow of the article. Maybe your right about the title "Cameron Kristen ordeal", doing more research about the topic, I see the storyline took many different routes that would be hard to sum up in another heading. Also in that section it says "When Sharon return to Genoa City...", needs an 's' after return. Also the story lines sections frequently mentions "Newman" as a company, whereas elsewhere, it is referred to as "Newman Enterprises". It "Newman" what it's called on the show? If so, the first time it is mentioned should include "...Newman Enterprises, commonly called Newman", or something. That's all the comments I have for right now.Caringtype1 (talk) 02:11, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you. -- CassiantoTalk 04:58, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's been a while. I would just like to say, I've been trying to see if I could remove some of the quotes. But it's extremely hard, considering without quotations these words seem odd and awkward. I've fixed other issues too. But, I haven't done anything to the quotes in "Reception" because there has to be a lot of quotes in that section.Arre 11:45, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It is usual to have a lot of quotes in a "Reception" section. As long as the amount of critical comments are equal in terms of positive and negative, I don't foresee too much of a problem here. My concerns were over pointless quotes from the other sections; as a rule of thumb, a quote should only occur if it adds something of value to that particular sentence. If it doesn't, then I would avoid. -- CassiantoTalk 16:23, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've fixed up all issues such as unnecessary quotes, consistency in American style commas following date beginners and also references which have been repeated. Arre 01:35, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Laser brain[edit]

Oppose due to sourcing and plagiarism issues. I do not think the plagiarism is intentional—it looks like a case of the editors not understanding how to properly quote, paraphrase, and summarize sources. Quotations have been used improperly, and I found instances of close paraphrasing or outright copying of text outside of quotations. Of the first four refs I checked, each has issues. This sample indicates that the whole article needs to be audited for plagiarism.

  • The opening modifying phrase is misplaced. It's currently modifying "Global Regina", which I'm assuming isn't the thing that has crimes and faults.
  • Global Regina redirects to a TV channel article.. what is it really?
  • The sentence itself is too closely paraphrased to the source text.

It looks like the entire approach to sourcing and quoting needs examination. --Laser brain (talk) 13:41, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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