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The article was promoted by SandyGeorgia 22:59, 20 April 2010 [1].

Telopea speciosissima[edit]

Telopea speciosissima (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Nominator(s): Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:14, 10 April 2010 (UTC) and Melburnian (talk · contribs)[reply]
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What's not to like? The state emblem and a darn fine flower at that....and it's been attracting birds and looking nice and red for over 60 million years..... Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:14, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Psh, sixty million years is nothing... got a lot of these in your backyard? Anyhow, File:Australia Sydney AlfredHandel WaratahWindow.JPG needs a different license without an author/death date. I'm not really sure File:NSWWaratahsLogo.jpg has a strong enough rationale (it's also causing strange whitespace gaps on my browser.) Also, what makes [2] and [3] reliable? I'm assuming you feel it meets WP:SPS. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 17:33, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The Powerhouse Museum is a pretty high-profile Sydney museum with major exhibitions/tourism/archives etc. So I have no problem with that one. The other is a specialist native nursery and knowledgeable, but I might see if I can find a better ref. I'll see what I can do about the window. Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:05, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Update: bah - mountainnursery ref unneeded - just about every ref on cultivation (incl. one at end of sentence) says they best with sun ++. Also his son's obituary indicates that Alfred Handel died in 1946. Will see if I can date the window. dated to 1932.[4] Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:40, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've provided more details for the logo rationale and removed the white space. Melburnian (talk) 02:55, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There are issues with File:NSWWaratahsLogo.jpg's template—I hate the boilerplate FUR templates, so I'm not sure how to fix it, but to me the images and sourcing look satisfactory. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 19:32, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I moved all the information into a simpler template. Melburnian (talk) 03:26, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I replaced the "Growing waratahs" reference. Melburnian (talk) 03:28, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the non-functional first link. Melburnian (talk) 12:20, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comment A well written article, although as a Brit "March in autumn" made me double-take!. A couple of niggles

of course march is in autumn...everyone knows that! Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:54, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
done Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:54, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Americans still do rainfall in inches?? done Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:54, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
done Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:54, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Aha, this is tricky - resprouters are ones which generally resprout from the lignotuber (hence not talking about seedling), but in this case it is noted that the seedlings grow pretty darn slowly - defferent to below which is talking about resprouting of parent plants. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:54, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've attempted a reword and consolidation, avoiding the confusing "resprouting". As I understand it, the fire burns the plant, it grows new shoots from its lignotuber, eventually produces new flowers, these produce seeds which fall to the ground, seedlings appear. This takes about two years which is pretty slow in these parts. Melburnian (talk) 07:57, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
On second thoughts, I have incorporated "resprouter" in the rewording to be more accurate. I have linked the word in anticipation of making a stub to explain it. Melburnian (talk) 10:24, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:12, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
My issues resolved, changed to support above Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:45, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Ucucha.

I have decapped pygmy possum now - however I can't do it with bird species which are capitalised by convention. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:59, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
WP:BIRD#Bird names and article titles appears to disagree there; you can use sentence case for consistency within an article. Ucucha 21:01, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
wow I did not now that...okay I agree it looks less jarring now. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:30, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
fixed to source. I went and checked my Cassell's Latin Dictionary, which I have just found again unpacking, and it gives 'beautiful/handsome' as translations for speciosus - not sure where you get many-formed from (?) Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:05, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure either. I am familiar with "speciose" meaning "species-rich" ("a speciose genus"), but even the OED doesn't list that word. Thanks for the addition. Ucucha 01:26, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Aha, that is a different derivation speciose is derived from species, -ei 5th declension noun in Latin, speciosus derives from the verb specio "to see or catch sight of Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:30, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
fixed so indigenous names all together now. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:14, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
crap. my bad, I thought it was the date of the artwork (which is over 75 years). Okay, will look at a fair use rationale or an older image. We do have a few waratah motifs to choose from. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:37, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It might still be PD, the tag just doesn't work. I'm not familiar with Aus copyright, but I recall that old stuff enters PD fairly easily. Ucucha 01:26, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I amended the licence tag at Commons. Melburnian (talk) 01:58, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Looking good. Ucucha 02:08, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Re sources, as far as I know, yes. both books contain ample discussion from botanists and researchers such as Peter Weston and Cathy Offord as well, and complement official Flora of Australia treatments well. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:14, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I was referring rather to the websites. I think I'll do a more detailed review of those later, to see whether there are any real issues. Ucucha 01:26, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the references, I found a few accessdates to reformat to conform, but can't see any stray periods (or lack thereof) remaining..? Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:11, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ucucha 18:05, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

added --Melburnian (talk) 04:13, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ucucha 01:24, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

done Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:34, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The works use globular - and knowing the plant well I can guarantee they aren't spherical! My take on it is that idea conveyed by 'globular' is something that is more rounded but not necessarily a sphere as such, hence I felt globular indeed was a better fit Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:22, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough; I mistakenly assumed globular was equivalent to globose. Sasata (talk) 16:36, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
done --Melburnian (talk) 03:35, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'll see what I can do - if not a link then a quote parameter in the citation Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:13, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It is on wikisource here, but I am not sure how to link to it. maybe best as an infobox at the bottom? Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:47, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I did not notice the wikisource template at the bottom. That should suffice, I think. Sasata (talk) 16:36, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
done Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:34, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
sloppiness. fixed. Original meanings other than that for waratah not given. Not surprising as these languages are mostly extinct (first area colonised by europeans etc. and local population heavily assimilated and decimated etc.) Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:34, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
done Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:34, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
better. done Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:34, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
done Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:05, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
removed Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:34, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I suspect that Springwell is actually the name of some estate or gardens/house rather than the village (which is near Newcastle in the north of England), so I didn't link. Would be worth looking into. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:47, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
added. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:04, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
done Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:47, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
done Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:47, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
a moth Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:47, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It was initially found there but from then it was commercially propagated, licenced and marketed. Sorry if that wasn't clear. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:47, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
done --Melburnian (talk) 13:38, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
done Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:47, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
essientally a funny-looking plant which comes up in someone's garden or nursery with good horticultural properties, the owner says "Gee, what a nice flower" and propagates away....I thought it was a succinct way of saying this and have seen the term used often in horticulture. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:47, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"chance seedling" now linked --Melburnian (talk) 13:48, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
yes. I clarifiied that in the first instance, do you want me to do it for all? Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:47, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, I just missed the first clarification. Sasata (talk)
Much of Sydney's water supply comes from a large area of bushland to which there is no public access - unless one gets special permission - as it drains into our biggest dam, Warragamba Dam. Will look what I can link it to. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:47, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
update - there is nothing specific on wiki, but here is a map. Sydney Catchment Authority needs to be buffed but at least it mentions it. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:11, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Woodboring beetle Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:49, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
done Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:47, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm, tempted, but the genus article could do with more expanding so that may be the best destination really...Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:37, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Goodness knows Griffin probably wasn't going to the species-level; there's also Manuka to illustrate his level of accuracy... Though I suppose it does raise the point: shouldn't at least half of that last section then be duplicated up into the genus article? Iridia (talk) 02:14, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Good point. I restricted it to cultural references which clearly relate to the species and the species alone (as recognised often by its iconic flowerhead). There is another bunch of material which can go in the genus page FWIW. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:53, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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