The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by SandyGeorgia 11:51, 1 June 2011 [1].


The Sun Also Rises[edit]

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Nominator(s): Truthkeeper88 (talk)18:18, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured article because I believe it meets the criteria. The article has been through peer-review, and all issues have been resolved. The Sun Also Rises was Ernest Hemingway's first successful novel, and in many ways a novel that came to define a generation. No pressure or anything, but the 50th anniversary of Hemingway's death is on July 2nd, and I thought it would be nice to have this done by then. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 18:18, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - spotchecks not done. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:05, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Nikkimaria. Working on these .... Truthkeeper88 (talk) 00:06, 27 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
These are done; a few explanatory comments above. Thanks again. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 13:21, 27 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Images

Thanks Nikkimaria. The JFK Library changed their website and all the old links are dead. Will get to these issues as soon as I finish dealing with this issue. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 12:17, 27 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the images - they were donated to the JFK Library by the Hemingway estate and the ones available to the public on the library website have been released to the public domain. I've updated with the new source links. File:GertrudeStein_JackHemingway_Paris.jpg on .en and on Commons is correctly licensed as PD-US. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 13:39, 27 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

TGilmour (talk) 13:06, 27 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"'But her Jew has gone away .... Damned good thing, what?'" – excessive spaces and one full stop (there should be three) TGilmour (talk) 19:18, 27 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Citation style. For example, Meyers (1985), 98–99 Here, I think "p." must be written after (1985),. TGilmour (talk) 19:33, 27 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the ellipsis - the nonbreaking spaces are added to prevent the ellipsis from formatting on a new line. That particular quote has four dots because I skipped a sentence and that's conventionally how it's done. Regarding citation style, we don't have a house style and it doesn't really matter how it's done as long as it's done consistently - see Nikkimaria's comments above. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 22:01, 27 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support, with some minor comments:

Ucucha 09:41, 28 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for reminding me of the in-line comment. Three martinis and three bottles of wine. Maybe they were small bottles? Anyway, fixed.
  • I've taken care of the typos/spelling errors and reworded the Bloom bit in the legacy. Thanks for reading and for the support! Truthkeeper88 (talk) 14:58, 28 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I am a little uncomfortable with the opening sentence - The Sun Also Rises is a 1926 novel written by Ernest Hemingway on the experiences of the "Lost Generation" that came of age during World War I. Is the novel really on the experiences of the lost generation? Or does the book include a cast of characters that were described as being part of a 'lost generation' and is about their experiences and events in Europe after the war?...Modernist (talk) 14:08, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Can't get that sentence right, but I agree with you. Will try to pull an earlier version out of history or rewrite altogether. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 15:12, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
re: much improved opening sentence...Modernist (talk) 12:07, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've worked on this. See what you think. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 20:09, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment There doesn't seem to be a mention of androgyny, particularly Brett's androgynous appearance and its significance. source 1, source 2, this book, and this book p94. You've done an excellent job on the article otherwise truthkeeper...and I like your new signature=P.Smallman12q (talk) 23:02, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for the comment. The article does devote a paragraph to Brett in the "Masculinity and gender" section, based on scholarly sources. Unfortunately Mark Spilka's book that you linked isn't available via preview, (but I think he's used as a source), and the other one isn't either. The pdf is a thesis; I think it's better to use the published papers that are available on the subject. I'll reread what I have to see if it needs to be given more weight, and am happy to know what others feel about this. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 23:29, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Ruhrfisch. I was involved in the peer review for the article and my concerns were addressed there. On rereading it now, I find the article has been improved further and am glad to support. I have a few quibbles that do not detract from my support.

  • Apparently the description was changed when the JFK Library modified their website and links, so I've changed accordingly. I will plow through the biographies to see whether any of the biographers have identified the men and if so, change back and cite to the relevant biography. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 02:15, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry, completely forgot. Fixed now and bolded the title. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 02:15, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's a very good question. My paperback version is actually titled Fiesta but it was published in the 1980s. According to the Jonathan Cape/Random House website the book is currently titled Fiesta: The Sun Also Rises, so I've added that and used the publisher as a source. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 02:15, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hope this helps - thanks for a very nicely done article, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 01:07, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for noticing these good points, the excellent peer review, and the support. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 02:15, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • You are very welcome - thanks again for an interesting read, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:38, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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