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The article was promoted by Ealdgyth via FACBot (talk) 20 July 2020 [1].

William Edward Sanders[edit]

Nominator(s): Zawed (talk) 10:25, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about William Edward Sanders, a New Zealander who was awarded the Victoria Cross (VC) for his actions as the commander of a Q-ship during the First World War. Q-ships were merchant ships that acted as bait for U-boats which would approach on the surface but then be targeted by hidden guns. It was hazardous work and in this manner, he and his crew engaged U-boats on a number of occasions. He and his crew was killed in action in 1917. The article was put through the GA process in 2014 and then a Milhist A-Class review in 2018. I just found a new source and freshened up the article in preparation for FA. Thanks in advance to all those who stop by to provide feedback. Zawed (talk) 10:25, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Image review—pass[edit]

  • Buidhe, unfortunately I don't know enough to correct the issues with those two images (both added by another editor after the A-Class review) so have removed and replaced with one that I think is OK. Zawed (talk) 23:01, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The image you added is good so I'm passing this review. Nice article! buidhe 23:03, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from AustralianRupert[edit]

Support: G'day, Zawed, I hope you are well. Thanks for your efforts with this article. I have a few comments/suggestions below: AustralianRupert (talk) 23:23, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

All good here AustralianRupert, trust the same is true for you as well. Thanks for the comments, I have actioned these and my changes are here. I found another instance of close repetition of "engagement" so rephrased that one as well. Cheers, Zawed (talk) 05:56, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That may be a hangover from when I originally cited the print version of Fairfax. I have deleted Fairfax from the references section as I now cite the online version. Does it still show up as an error? Zawed (talk) 07:45, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That seems to have done the trick. Added my support above. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 08:58, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Gog the Mild[edit]

An interesting looking character. I may do a little copy editing as I go; let me know if I mess anything up.

Nb, I intend to claim points for this review in the WikiCup.


That's all. A first class piece of work. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:56, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gog the Mild, thanks for the feedback, I have dealt with the above points. My edits are here. Cheers, Zawed (talk) 10:42, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

CommentsSupport by PM[edit]

I looked this over at Milhist ACR, and couldn't find much to quibble about there. On reading through again, I have some comments:

Lead
  • Done, but to the sea captain article. Turns out the Master link is not the most relevant. Zawed (talk) 09:04, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Body
  • Have added for the Joseph Craig. Zawed (talk) 09:04, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Have added a mention about being the only naval VC. I don't think I have seen other articles mention number of VCs awarded to personnel of a specific country so didn't mention that. Zawed (talk) 09:04, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not sure where that came from! Deleted. Zawed (talk) 09:04, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's all I could find. Nice work as always! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:11, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Peacemaker67, thanks for the review and feedback. I have actioned your points above. Thanks again. Zawed (talk) 09:04, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No worries, great work. Supporting. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 11:06, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Coord note[edit]

This needs a source review, and I'd really like to have a review from someone outside the milhist project just so we have some idea that it's comprehensible to non-specialists? --Ealdgyth (talk) 14:09, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If no one gets to it sooner, I can do it ... but it's behind a few others on my list. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:20, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Ealdgyth:, with just a few minor niggles outstanding (below), the prose is competent and comprehensible to a non-MILHIST, non-sailor. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:46, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Everything addressed, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 12:39, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

SG review[edit]

I promised to review another article first, but I glanced very briefly here and found some things to be addressed. The writing is competent and mostly concise. The last paragraph of the article has considerable text unsupported by the Teara source, so I will conduct a more thorough review when I finish the other. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:40, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Retyping my notes now. Please pardon my piecemeal approach: a very big tree fell on me a few years back, and did not kill me, but left me with injuries so that I prefer browsing in a reclined position from an iPad, and limiting my sitting time at real computer to type. I see several of my scribbled notes have already been addressed. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:24, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • OOPS, sorry, now I see why British Raj, India is linked. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:22, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't quite understand why removing it was necessary. It was originally linked twice, once in the lead and once in the body. It is my understanding that this is allowable. There are other linked terms in the lead that are also present in the body. Zawed (talk) 09:17, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, I agree often with one link in the lead and another in the body on technical or jargon-laden articles, but yacht is not a word commonly understood to most English speakers. Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 12:37, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The reason for this phrasing is that these other medals are campaign medals (also known as service medals) that were issued after the war. So while he was entitled to them, he never received them since he was dead by then. The medals instead would have be forwarded to his next of kin. Zawed (talk) 09:17, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Have added mention of a lack of wind for context. Zawed (talk) 09:44, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Have clarified but in the following sentence. Zawed (talk) 10:16, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nothing to indicate why he didn't follow the plan, and the main source (Howard) doesn't speculate why. Zawed (talk) 10:16, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think I got all of these. Zawed (talk) 10:23, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • That was a typo, fixed.

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:24, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • I've had a go at rephrasing the third paragraph to improve clarity, how does it read now? Zawed (talk) 10:16, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Medals and legacy
(All addressed now, but I synced the name in the lead with the name in the body). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:25, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • A stub/start class article could be written for it. I have come across it in another article on a New Zealand yachtie as well so will look to put together a cited article in the near future. Zawed (talk) 10:16, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Those are my notes so far; I will re-read the entire article after two other reviews I promised Ealdgyth. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:24, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Looking good, I will re-read the entire article today. There may be one or two outstanding query above? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:25, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Continuing

Rest is all good, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:44, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • SandyGeorgia, I have finished this off. Responses above including a couple further up in the review. Zawed (talk) 09:44, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source review[edit]

- spotchecks not done

  • Title fixed and issue number added. Zawed (talk) 06:12, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I remember being unsure about work vs publisher when citing those two. Have put the museum as publisher. Zawed (talk) 06:12, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Updated the URL. Nikkimaria, thanks for the source review. Responded as per my comments. Cheers, Zawed (talk) 06:12, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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