*Lead. If Arsenal was founded in 1886, why does the image caption say "its first season, 1888–89"?
- Whoops. Removed the image given they never played in the league that season. Had intended to replace it with this one but it seems there are copyright issues. So replaced it with another one of Arsenal in a league match. Lemonade51 (talk) 02:02, 12 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- The lead speaks of Arsenal's lengthy unbroken tenure in the top two divisions of the English league system. Yet when we come to the key, we suddenly meet several other competitions. For the benefit of the easily confused, they should get a mention in the lead; perhaps make the first sentence of para 2 more explicit, something to the effect of how in the early years of league football, Arsenal's first team played a few seasons in regionally based subsidiary competitions, and their record against clubs faced in those leagues as well as the FL and PL is detailed below.
- Have tweaked this -- hope it reads well.
- Be consistent with capitalising the/The Football League. Personally, I prefer the uncapitalised, standard English, usage rather than the capitalised trade-mark version
- You can't source "Arsenal hold the record for the longest uninterrupted period in the top flight" to an 11-year-old webpage
- Although it's generally a good idea to avoid starting sentences with "In xxx, Arsenal did such-and-such", the construction "Arsenal became the first English football club since Preston North End in 1888–89 to go through a league season without defeat in 2003–04" would say what it meant rather better with the "in 2003–04" at the beginning
- Make sure you're consistent with singular and plural usage: e.g. "Arsenal's first team have competed in a number of nationally and regionally contested leagues, and its record"
- Key. If the only uncompleted competition is the 1939–40 FL season, I'd just say something like Matches from the abandoned 1939–40 FL season are excluded, as are... But if it stays as it is, the dashes should either be spaced endashes or unspaced emdashes, not spaced emdashes as you have (MOS:EMDASH)
- Have Arsenal ever played in a test match?
- Only in cup competitions to my knowledge. Have removed that bit. Lemonade51 (talk) 02:02, 12 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Leyton Orient were Clapton Orient until 1946
- Swansea City have been called that since 1969
- Millwall was probably Millwall Athletic when Arsenal first played them
- Footnotes. The Southport Central note must be left over from wherever you pasted them from
- I might reword note A as Record against Small Heath and Birmingham included
- Wimbledon relocated in 2003, not 2004; they renamed in 2004
- Table. Glossop North End changed its name to Glossop in 1899 and remained so called until long after its last meeting with Arsenal, (GNEFC website, FCHD) which was in 1914–15, not 1904–05
- Burton United was formed in 1901, as an amalgamation of Swifts and Wanderers, so I doubt Arsenal played 11 seasons against them between 1893–94 and 1903–04... Think you've got the Swifts details in with the United record as well as in its own row
- Chesterfield were Chesterfield Town until 1919 (CFC website) which is after the last time Arsenal played them, so their name should be Chesterfield Town, not Chesterfield with a footnote
- The WISA link
's dead, and has been for some time. There's an archive.org copy, but it doesn't verify the relocation year which needs either referencing or the note rewording so it's verifiable from the WISA link
that's enough to be going on with. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 21:05, 11 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Thank you for your through review, Struway2. Have dealt with all your points. Lemonade51 (talk) 02:02, 12 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Couple more...
- Regionally-contested shouldn't be hyphenated (MOS:HYPHEN section 3 bullet 4)
- Loughborough dates are wrong
- In Ref 5, Premier League should be publisher rather than work
Struway2 (talk) 09:40, 12 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Corrected them now, thanks once more. Lemonade51 (talk) 12:58, 12 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Couple more... Chesterfield Town "Last" season is wrong
- Burton Wanderers "Last" season is wrong
- Millwall "First" season is wrong
cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:07, 14 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Made corrections, thanks again. Lemonade51 (talk) 12:03, 14 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- There are a few clubs missing: Stockport County is one, there are at least two others in the FL. Does the Official History book not give an all-time list of opponents? or if it doesn't, how do you know when you've got them all?
- Leeds City and New Brighton Tower were the two that I seemed to have left out. The book does provide a statistical record, but I relied more on Andy Kelly's website, as it includes the regional leagues (something Statto and this website) left out. Kelly is the club's historian, which should answer any variability questions and his website is updated reguarly. Lemonade51 (talk) 02:02, 12 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- They were my other two. And I don't have any problem with Andy Kelly's reliability, although he isn't the club's historian (unless it's a very recent appointment). Was more concerned with how you/we know the list is complete. For example, the Birmingham record by opponent was based on a complete list of FL/PL opponents published in a 2010 book, so all I had to check in the way of extras was 2010 to 2012, and 3 seasons of Football Alliance, which was only 3 extra clubs. If you've had to build this entire list by checking each league table for new opponents, I'm not surprised you left some out... Struway2 (talk)
- You're still missing at least one non-FL opponent...
- Chatham I believe? Lemonade51 (talk) 12:03, 14 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Assuming they're all there now, you need to update the bit in the lead about "their 81st and most recent" opponent (best count them, because I think 81st was wrong in the first place). Struway2 (talk) 06:35, 26 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Done. Got 84 in total (19 divisional opponents + 11 defunct + 54 other clubs) Lemonade51 (talk) 13:49, 26 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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