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Kyla discography (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Nominator(s): Pseud 14 (talk) 02:01, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
After bringing Kyla's list of songs and awards to FL status, here's another related list I am nominating. I've reworked her discography by adding a concise and readable introduction/lead, formatted the tables, and thoroughly searched for RS (publications, newspapers, etc.) that are available online. Happy to address your comments and thanks to all who take the time to review the list. Pseud 14 (talk) 02:01, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Quick question - presumably (based on the absence of such info) there are no music charts in the Philippines........? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:35, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- @ChrisTheDude: Yes that's correct. Unfortunately, it's kinda lousy that they don't have this. Sales tracking or chart rankings aren't published in the way that other countries have Billboard or similar publications that rank albums or singles in Asia like Oricon in Japan or Gaon in South Korea. We did have Billboard Philippines that launched around 2015, but seized publication after two years. It was announced to be revived this year, but so far no word. I've tailored how the tables are done to other Filipino discography FLs like Regine Velasquez discography and Ben&Ben discography that also do not have music charts info. Pseud 14 (talk) 13:27, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments
- "She signed with EMI Philippines and released her debut studio album Way to Your Heart in 2000.[1] It spawned three singles: "Bring It On", "One More Try", and "Hanggang Ngayon"." - I would consider combining these two short sentences as "In 2000, she signed with EMI Philippines and released her debut studio album Way to Your Heart in 2000,[1] which spawned three singles: "Bring It On", "One More Try", and "Hanggang Ngayon"."
- Done
- "It also produced the singles "Because of You", "If The Feeling Is Gone", and "Till They Take My Heart Away". The album was certified double platinum by the Philippine Association of the Record Industry (PARI)" - same sort of thing here, consider "It also produced the singles "Because of You", "If The Feeling Is Gone", and "Till They Take My Heart Away", and was certified double platinum by the Philippine Association of the Record Industry (PARI)"
- Done
- "Kyla's eight studio album" => "Kyla's eighth studio album"
- Goodness, this is my second time messing up eight --> eighth. Thanks for catching again. Fixed now
- "In June 2014, Kyla released her debut EP, Journey.[8] It contained a duet, "My Heart", with American singer-songwriter Brian McKnight." => "In June 2014, Kyla released her debut EP, Journey,[8] which contained a duet, "My Heart", with American singer-songwriter Brian McKnight."
- Done
- I think I understand that all the notes are saying that you don't know the specific sales figures, but you know it must have hit a certain level based on the certification it received. If that's the case, does that mean the threshold for platinum has reduced over time?
- Correct. In a similar fashion where a Platinum is equivalent to 1 million sales on Billboard. However, as these are only data for certifications and not sales, I added the thresholds required (with notes) under the Sales column for an album to achieve a gold or platinum status and added sourcing (Ref 15) from IFPI as the thresholds have lowered over time and I have indicated which year that certain threshold of sales apply. i.e. a Platinum until 2006 is 40,000 shipped, 2007 it was lowered to 30,000, by 2008 to 25,000 until the most recent one I have available.
- BTW those notes aren't complete sentences so don't need full stops
- You're right. I have removed them.
- Thanks very much for taking the time to review ChrisTheDude. Addressed and actioned all comments and provided my responses. Let me know if there's anything I might have missed or if any needs clarification. Pseud 14 (talk) 15:27, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks very much for your support ChrisTheDude. Appreciate it. Pseud 14 (talk) 17:26, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- The lead did look a bit large to me for a list. However, cutting it down may be a time-consuming process so you can consider that later, and it does not have a bearing on the outcome of my review.
- Thanks for this. I've trimmed and removed some trivial sentences to make it concise.
- It seems like Kyla's first eight albums were released in a joint deal with EMI and PolyEast from reading the later parts of the list. Do you think PolyEast's involvement is notable enough to include in the lead too?
- I've revised this to avoid confusion. She was signed to EMI Philippines in 2002 and the label changed it's name to PolyEast Records around 2009. I've removed PolyEast on the years that the albums were released under the EMI label. Her 2010 releases I listed under the PolyEast name.
- "She signed with EMI Philippines and released her debut studio album Way to Your Heart" - There should be a commas right before and after the album name.
- Done
- Was "Buti Na Lang" only performed at the festival and not released as a single? I see it mentioned in the Music videos table but not in the Singles table. If this was just a performance it may not be notable for inclusion in the lead
- It was released much later in her fourth album. But I've removed this bit as suggested.
- The lead does not seem to mention I Will Be There is her third album
- Revised.
- "Kyla's fourth studio album Not Your Ordinary Girl (2004)" should be "Kyla's fourth studio album, Not Your Ordinary Girl (2004),"
- Done
- "from her tenth studio album The Queen of R&B" should be "from her tenth studio album, The Queen of R&B"
- Done
- Not sure about the inclusion of the iTunes chart per WP:SINGLEVENDOR. I had the same comment about its inclusion on Kyla's biography which I have been reading for an FAC review.
- Ahh, didn't know this, but thanks for bringing it up. Learned something new. I have removed it. Will to do the same change on there too.
- Apologies for becoming a comma nazi after my last few FACs, lol. Incredible work but you are an FLC whizz so it does not surprise me anymore!--NØ 14:46, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- No need to apologize, I should have known to always abide by MOS:COMMA as a standard in editing. Thanks very much for the review MaranoFan. Comments have been actioned. Let me know if I missed anything. Pseud 14 (talk) 16:27, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Support--NØ 17:23, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Abacusada[edit]
- This is just a drive-by comment. I spotted an accessibility issue in the Music videos section. Consider removing column headers: "As lead artist" and "As featured artist" and sort all of them by year, per MOS:COLHEAD.
- Source review from MyCatIsAChonk
I don't believe a spotcheck is necessary, so I'll just focus on formatting. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 14:23, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Added
- Watch for false titles in the lead (looking specifically at Jonathan Manalo)
- I removed mention as I replaced AllMusic with a Spotify source which supports it was solely written by Kyla.
- Done for source titles, should be in Title case (except for proper names, album titles, etc)
- Using AllMusic is questionable per WP:ALLMUSIC; in this case, the ref is supporting a statement regarding a person as a producer. Is there a better alternative for this one?
- Removed this one and replaced with a Spotify source, which is of higher quality I believe (as it is not user-generated) Also says Kyla is the sole writer, so I tweaked the sentence.
- Ref 9 needs author (it's listed at the bottom of the prose)
- Thanks for catching. Added
- Ref 12 is incorrectly listed as dead
- Fixed
- Ref 13: There are cite errors with the 2007 and 2009 certification source
- Fixed
- Ref 13 also: put "none" in the
ref> parameter of all the individual cite templates
- I'm not sure I follow, have a bit of trouble how to go about this (if you can elaborate, I'll update as you suggested)
- Ref 15 (and any other refs that pull from Google Books) should have "Google Books" in the
via parameter
- Done
- Added
- Ref 42 needs author (also listed as bottom, Pocholo Concepcion)
- Thanks for catching, also added.
Pseud 14, all done, very nice work, not too many comments on the sourcing. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 14:23, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks very much for your review and going through the sources swiftly MyCatIsAChonk. Have actioned your comments and provided responses. Pseud 14 (talk) 15:16, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Support on sources, all the big issues have been addressed. As for the
ref parameters- currently, all the "cite news" templates (or similar) are lacking any sfns pointing towards them. Users who have the harv error detection bot installed (like myself) will see an error message next to cite templates that lack any sfns. The practical use for this is to highlight sources ina bibliography that are present but not actually referenced. Fro a group citation like ref 13, this does not apply, so "none" should be added to the ref parameter to ensure such an error doesn't pop up. In source mode, this is done by putting |ref=none somewhere in the cite template. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 15:34, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- MyCatIsAChonk I see what you mean. I think a came across a similar source review with Aoba47 I believe, who uses the same script. That makes sense now re the harv errors. Nonetheless, added the parameter as suggested. I really appreciate your time and thank you for the support. Pseud 14 (talk) 15:40, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Pamzeis[edit]
I'll probably be able to complete this review in the morning, but one thing I noticed:
- Notes d and h say "equivalent of platinum certification" (emphasis mine), but the list states their respective albums were certified double platinum and gold. Is that something I'm misunderstanding or...? Pamzeis (talk) 15:30, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- That is my bad, yes you're right and thanks for catching that. Should be updated now. Thanks for your initial comments. Pseud 14 (talk) 16:05, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've read the article a few times, and there's nothing really big to comment on; I've made a few tweaks that you can revert if you don't like, but the only comment I have is:
- "Her subsequent releases were the cover albums Heartfelt (2007) and Heart 2 Heart (2009)." — IDK, but I just find this wording really awkward...........
Also, I need to shove a line about screwing up into every review I do, so there we go. But in all seriousness, another FL for you :) Pamzeis (talk) 01:51, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for your review and edits Pamzeis. I tried to simplify the wording, let me know if it reads better. Pseud 14 (talk) 02:39, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks better to me. Supporting :) Pamzeis (talk) 02:42, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Image review – The photo used in the intro has an appropriate free license and alt text. No problems in this regard. Giants2008 (Talk) 17:48, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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