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The result of the discussion was: Kept - Peripitus (Talk) 22:34, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Zscout370 (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 05:03, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Keep. Jafeluv (talk) 12:26, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Blatantly false (complainant appears to simply misunderstands our NFC policy, as well). Multiple sources are adduced in support of relevant critical commentary:
  • Waxman, Sharon (2005). Rebels on the Backlot: Six Maverick Directors and How They Conquered the Hollywood Studio System (New York: HarperCollins), p. 71 . ISBN 0-06-054017-6.
  • Laverick, Daniel. "Selling a Movie in Two Minutes—The Modern Day Film Trailer". Close-Up Film.
  • Charyn, Jerome (2006). Raised by Wolves: The Turbulent Art and Times of Quentin Tarantino (New York: Thunder's Mouth Press), p. 106. ISBN 1-56025-858-6.
Of course, one must actually make the effort to read through the article to encounter all of the critical commentary that the image explicates.—DCGeist (talk) 03:16, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I did read the article, but your entirely benign remark about my competency is appreciated. My point about critical commentary still stands; the commentary must show that the image itself is significant, not the scene it depicts. Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima is a significant image; The Blue Marble is a significant image; Guerrillero Heroico is a significant image. This image has no sources discussing the significance of this exact image. (Consider that another still depicting the same scene would also make the same point you were seeking to make with this image. If that is the case, this image cannot be not special.) My other point also still stands: text explicating (to borrow your ten-dollar word) that the two danced and an image explicating that they danced both impart the same information. When this is the case, a FU image is unjustified. ÷seresin 03:09, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This is at best, deep ignorance; at worst, pure sophistry (please feel free to price that word). The image explicates the extensive critical commentary on the famous scene. There is no free image that exists or could be created that can do so. "This exact image" is (a) a nonsensical standard and (b) one that has no basis in our policy. Your parenthetical underscores the vacuity of your argument—because the famous scene lasts for more than a single frame, according to your illogic, no single frame may be used to illustrate it. That is absurd. Your irrelevant comparisons to unique photographs merely underscores your misunderstanding of the field at hand. Cinema history, criticism, and analysis—which you appear to be completely unfamiliar with—is not based on the discussion of "exact images", but on scenes and images that extend over time and multiple frames. Apparently you are unaware that there are 24 distinct frames to every second of projected film; thus your devotion to the bizarre misconception that encyclopedic discourse on a film relies on "exact images". In fact, I made no comment about your competency before, but your latest emission both raises and answers that question.—DCGeist (talk) 06:51, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You are conflating two issues. The first is that if an image itself (not the scene, the actual image) is significant, a FU image may be justified. This is true regardless of medium. My reference to unique photographs is just that—those images themselves are significant, not only the scenes they depict. In this instance, the film still itself is not significant—but the scene is. My parenthetical was to show that use of another still of this scene would provide the same illustrative purpose, no one particular still is more significant than another; so this one can't be significant in this context. The commentary you allude to discusses the scene, not any particular image. So that potential justification for a FU image is null. The second issue is NFCC8, which stipulates that lack of a FU image in an article must be detrimental to the readers' understanding. This is a pretty clear point, as readers do not need an image to understand that the two danced. ÷seresin 07:35, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The test is whether the image adds significantly to reader understanding. That can remain possible, even if there are other alternate non-free images which could equally have been used to add to understanding in a similar way. For example, there are any number of publicity pics or screengrabs which could be used to show Captain James T. Kirk. That doesn't take away from the fact that using one such image in that article does indeed add to user understanding. Jheald (talk) 09:33, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Exactly. Seresin, I'm afraid, has confused matters. Our guideline pertaining to acceptable image use should help explain that there is a difference between the category of specific "Images with iconic status or historical importance" (like the unique photographs seresin has raised in, it must be said, irrelevant comparison) and the category of "Film and television screen shots", which by the nature of the media will in virtually all cases be examples illustrative of longer scenes (or of recurrent motifs). As for what is being illustrated, of course it goes well beyond the mere fact that two people danced. How did they look as they danced? What sort of poses did they strike? How were they dressed? These are matters crucial to an understanding of the scene that the image significantly aids us in understanding. Given the well-sourced fame and importance of the scene, the image clearly meets our 8th NFC criterion. DocKino (talk) 23:52, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per DocKino's convincing argumentation. Doc9871 (talk) 06:56, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • On the choice of image: I certainly considered the possibility of using an image showing the fingers-across-the-eyes move. However, an analysis of the sequence reveals that there is no frame that shows both characters doing so—or even shows both characters while one or the other does it. Travolta/Vincent does it with two fingers in close-up, the camera pans, and then Thurman/Mia does it with all five fingers, again in close-up. Both to honestly represent the scene and to respect the letter and spirit of NFCC 3a, I believe it's essential to use an image that shows both characters in dance action. In addition, while we can be sure on an anecdotal basis that the finger move is the best known element of the scene, most of the WP:V-standard sources that discuss the scene and its iconic status do not specify that gesture, but discuss the dance as a whole.
  • On sourcing of scene's status: I'm a bit confused. The image's caption currently includes, and has long included, a cited quote from a high-quality source, including page reference, describing it as the film's "famous dance scene". The scene is widely discussed in the literature, of course, and it would be easy to add further quotes to the caption from high-quality sources describing it as "iconic" or "timeless", but is that necessary or desirable? Recall that further down in the article there is sourced commentary on homages to the scene and extensive critical analysis of it.—DCGeist (talk) 16:55, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • While inflating the caption doesn't seem desirable, what I've done is expand the citation with a page-referenced quote from another high-quality source describing it as an "iconic scene".—DCGeist (talk) 18:28, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Angusmclellan (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 00:01, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Tendentious, injudicious argument for deletion. Source is clearly and directly adduced to discuss significance of Willis' physical appearance in character: Dargis, Manohla (1994). "Pulp Instincts/Quentin Tarantino on Pulp Fiction", Sight & Sound vol. IV, no. 5 (May). Collected in Quentin Tarantino: Interviews, ed. Gerald Peary (Jackson: University Press of Mississippi, 1998). ISBN 1-57806-051-6. Image is evidently judiciously chosen to focus on Willis's physiognomy and physical bearing in accordance with sourced critical commentary.—DCGeist (talk) 03:03, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Throughout the article, from the lead through the entire primary text, there is extensive critical commentary on the centrality of cinematic allusion to Tarantino's conception of the film. In the case of the casting of the role of the boxer Butch Coolidge, it is clear that Willis's appearance was crucial to Tarantino in exactly this regard: "Tarantino said, 'Bruce has the look of a 50s actor. I can't think of any other star that has that look.'" The image is extremely significant to the readers' understanding of that statement in particular and Tarnatino's vision in general, as discussed in the article. DocKino (talk) 16:39, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Materialscientist (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT 01:01, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Do Not delete this image, there is no reason, I took it myself, SOMEONE HELP ME OUT WITH THIS PLEASE --Ericci8996 (talk) 16:47, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You Jheald for that idea... I will add a paragraph immediately... also, the image has now been moved to Commons! Thus It should be "de-nominated" for deletion :)


Hello again, I have added that paragraph detailing history about the shield design... Please make sure this and the other images, (b/c they are all moved to commons now...) are NOT deleted!! --Ericci8996 (talk) 22:39, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

--Ericci8996 (talk) 22:08, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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I know it said not to add anymore, but "Rockfang" gave no reason as to why these images need to be deleted... someone give me one solid reason as to why to delete these images? they are on Commons... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericci8996 (talkcontribs) 01:33, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Materialscientist (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT 01:01, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Do Not delete this image, there is no reason, I took it myself, SOMEONE HELP ME OUT WITH THIS PLEASE --Ericci8996 (talk) 16:48, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Thank You Jheald for that idea... it has now been moved to Commons! Thus It should be "de-nominated" for deletion :) --Ericci8996 (talk) 22:09, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Do Not delete this image, there is no reason, I took it myself, SOMEONE HELP ME OUT WITH THIS PLEASE --Ericci8996 (talk) 16:48, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You Jheald for that idea... it has now been moved to Commons! Thus It should be "de-nominated" for deletion :)

--Ericci8996 (talk) 22:09, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Nyttend (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT 01:01, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Do Not delete this image, there is no reason, I took it myself, SOMEONE HELP ME OUT WITH THIS PLEASE--Ericci8996 (talk) 16:46, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Thank You Jheald for that idea... it has now been moved to Commons! Thus It should be "de-nominated" for deletion :)

--Ericci8996 (talk) 22:09, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Peripitus (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT 00:01, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Do Not delete this image, there is no reason, I took it myself, SOMEONE HELP ME OUT WITH THIS PLEASE --Ericci8996 (talk) 16:46, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You Jheald for that idea... it has now been moved to Commons! Thus It should be "de-nominated" for deletion :) --Ericci8996 (talk) 22:11, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Do Not delete this image, there is no reason, I took it myself, SOMEONE HELP ME OUT WITH THIS PLEASE --Ericci8996 (talk) 16:47, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Thank You Jheald for that idea... it has now been moved to Commons! Thus It should be "de-nominated" for deletion :)

--Ericci8996 (talk) 22:10, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: local copy deleted. The image is now available at File:St Anselm College, Alumni Hall, 15 December 2007.jpg on Wikimedia Commons. Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:48, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Do Not delete this image, there is no reason, I took it myself, SOMEONE HELP ME OUT WITH THIS PLEASE --Ericci8996 (talk) 16:47, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Thank You Jheald for that idea... it has now been moved to Commons! Thus It should be "de-nominated" for deletion :)

--Ericci8996 (talk) 22:10, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Peripitus (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 02:03, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Peripitus (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 22:10, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:27, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Files for deletion#Glossary -FASTILY (TALK) 21:29, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. So, here is your answer:
  1. OR ----> As explained, it was useful to demonstrate a lack of usability, not to be used in an article.
  2. UE ----> It was never meant to be, of course. Such screenshots are proven useful in debates, therefore I do not understand why being unencyclopedic is such a problem.
  3. LQ ----> Just how is that relevant for a screenshot?
  4. use not stated ----> I stated it above.
Now if you have some real concerns, I will be glad to hear them. If not, I have other things to take care of. Yours, Dodoïste (talk) 03:00, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This is being used at the Village Pump. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:04, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmmm...it is a useless media file. Frankly, I don't see anything special about it whatsoever. Regardless, assuming what you said is true, I could go to Special:createaccount and simply take another screenshot or better, direct users there when the issue comes up in a debate (assuming it ever will). To top it off, the file is only used in an archive - althuogh you might be someone who does, in my experience, most people tend not to look in archives. Only drawback to that is that you might see the same question pop up rather frequently on the relevant noticeboard. And unfortunately, there's not much you can do about it. -FASTILY (TALK) 04:57, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The whole purpose of the debate was to improve the signup form, which was done successfully. Thus, the signup form has changed, I can't simply take another screenshot. If we are to keep the archive, there is no point in deleting the image. Dodoïste (talk) 23:42, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 06:05, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:28, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Was used in an RD question. I don't know if you really want to make the reference desk archives ugly... John Riemann Soong (talk) 04:18, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: keep. Not orphaned, not unencyclopedic. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:39, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Not orphaned, not unencyclopedic. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:39, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Not orphaned, not unencyclopedic. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:39, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Not orphaned, not unencyclopedic. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:39, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Not orphaned, not unencyclopedic. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:39, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Not orphaned, not unencyclopedic. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:39, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Not orphaned, probably not unencyclopedic although it makes less sense than the others to me. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:39, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Not orphaned, not unencyclopedic. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:39, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 07:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 07:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: local copy deleted. Now available on Commons as File:Admin Building, California State University, Chico.JPG. Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:55, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: The result of the discussion was Withdrawn. -FASTILYsock(TALK) 03:32, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: local copy deleted. Now on Commons. Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:59, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 07:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 07:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Peripitus (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 14:09, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 07:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Peripitus (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 14:09, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 07:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 07:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Peripitus (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT 13:08, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The image needs a home, but it is certainly worthy of a place here. Its just a question of where to make use of it. Else, move to commons. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 03:06, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 07:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 07:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 07:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Peripitus (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 13:08, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Peripitus (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 13:08, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 07:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 07:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 07:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:31, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Peripitus (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 13:08, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 07:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 07:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 07:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 07:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: keep until moved to Commons (PNG-ised version there now, but no JPEG). Has been tagged. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:37, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 07:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 11:06, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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What it reads is Multiple items of non-free content are not used if one item can convey equivalent significant information.
I do not feel that this image conveys anything significant that the other image does not. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 07:50, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Your opinion is just as valuable as any other editor's, which is what makes WP great. To apply two deletion tags within a short time, without even attempting to reach consensus before doing so, and to still not address the key points I queried above; this is what WP is not. I've got my "tentacles" out already on this one, and if I am wrong (according to the administration), I will comply with them. Good day to you! Doc9871 (talk) 08:08, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Like I mentioned, this is where I originally intended to bring it. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 19:22, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: The result of the discussion was Withdrawn.

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Peripitus (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT 12:15, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: keep and move to Commons. I simply do not see the sense of nominating images here which could be profitably moved to Wikimedia Commons. To my mind this is not LQ or UE and OR is not a stick with which to beat editors into moving images to Commons RIGHT NOW. Angus McLellan (Talk) 01:49, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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I can't imagine what the fuss here is about. It is a picture of the tomb of Albert Gallatin in Trinity Cemetery at Trinity Church in NYC.Billy Hathorn (talk) 04:28, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 07:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 10:05, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: deleted, speedily under F9. I'm quite convinced that this was a scanned image from an "Osprey" book. Angus McLellan (Talk) 16:45, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 10:05, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 10:05, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Melesse (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 13:06, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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File:ShapurII statue.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Orangemike (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT 05:02, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Orangemike (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 05:02, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Peripitus (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 13:08, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Not important enough to be kept as a non-free image to illustrate the article Hiroshi Fujii. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 13:25, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 10:05, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 10:05, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. While FFD is not a vote mechanism, there are equal numbers of contributors who believe that the image should be kept as there are those who believe it should be deleted. Almost all contributors have opposing viewpoints of WP:NFCC #3a. There are those who believe that it is not an overuse to show the alternative cover, but then there are those who believe that it doesn't really add anything to the understanding of the article. Both sides make excellent arguments, but in the end there is no consensus whether to keep or delete, so the default decision here is to keep. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 13:42, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Peripitus (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 04:02, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 10:05, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 10:05, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 10:05, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Psycological Profile.pdf

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The result of the discussion was: speedily deleted at user's request (here and [1]). rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 23:43, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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This was nominated for deletion less than 2 hours ago! A decision was made on keeping it - see my talk page. On the work's talk page there should still be my reason for keeping it. I'm not really using Wikipedia as a webhost, it's one work. Threewords,eightletters... (talk) 23:09, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Although last time was some other kind of deletion, these are the reasons I gave last time for not deleting it:

The template says that I should say why it shouldn't be deleted here...

"Don't delete, I believe this does conform to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines; it is a work created by myself and is used on my userpage. I was under the impression that works are allowed to be uploaded to be used on userpages if they don't break copyright - mine clearly doesn't - and if you don't upload too many for your userpage. My userpage has only one upload on it, so that is far from excessive."

Now, I don't care, all this bureaucracy is much too much effort. I give up. Even I say delete it. Done! Threewords,eightletters... (talk) 23:30, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Fernando castiella.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 10:05, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep.
Sorry, although more or less expert on copyright issues, fair use is sometimes a little difficult of understand for me. As far as I understand, the appearance of a person is a key element of any encyclopedic article about him or her. The inclusion of a person's image significantly increases readers' understanding of the article of such a person, just in the same fashion as a company logotype increases the understanding of the article on the company holding such a logo. I could be wrong, of course, but plenty of portraits of people, usually labelled with the ((Non-free fair use in)) template (and therefore in the Category:Fair use in... images) since, as the template says, the image is used:
  • To illustrate the subject in question
  • Where no free equivalent is available or could be created that would adequately give the same information
  • On the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation ([1]),
Best regards and thank you for your time --Ecemaml (talk) 23:29, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
A copyrighted image of a person is not necessary, and it's omission would not be detrimental to an "understanding" of who the person in question was. That is to say, we don't need to see a picture of the person to understand that he was a Spanish Foreign Minister. See WP:NFC#UUI (especially No 7 and No 8): if the article were a discussion about the painting of Fernando Castiella, then it would be covered by the Non-free content criteria. Your argument about logos (which are often seen as an exception) might be an argument against the inlcusion of Non-free logos, but not, in itself, an argument that justifies the use of this particular, copyrighted, image. RedCoat10talk 23:41, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I see your point, but the current practice in the English Wikipedia seems to see it in other way. I've just taken a small sample from Category:Fair use in... images. See, for instance File:EbbaThomsen.jpg, File:E. Riley Anderson.jpg or File:EdFrutig.jpg. It's the same case as with this image. I mean, I don't object to the deletion of the image. However, the interpretation of WP:NFCC#8 seems to be that an image of a person enhances the "understanding" of his/her article. --Ecemaml (talk) 23:53, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I used to do a lot of NFC work and recall that a fair number of images in Category:Fair use in... images were inappropriately claimed as 'fair use'. Seeing as images are not reviewed, most went unnoticed. So those images you've cited as examples are as much subject to further scrutiny to as this one. An image alone does not enhance our 'undertanding' if the subject of the image is not also the subject of discussion in the article; i.e., the painting of Fernando Castiella is not the essence of the article. By analogy, "a photo of a copyrighted statue can only be used to discuss the statue itself, not the subject of it." Moreover, please remember that Wikipedia's goal is to be a free content encyclopedia which inevitably means that we must minimise the use of copyrighted material so that only that which is necessary is permissible. RedCoat10talk 00:13, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral tending to Keep Link on the image upload doesn't work so I wasn't able to find the original source to see if there was already a free use exemption. A comment is that I thought paintings required the originator to be credited when used? Seems a reasonable fair use exemption to me, as the subject has been dead for 40 years a free use image is pretty unlikely. Justin talk 11:01, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

While "No-free equivalent" is indeed a criterion for 'fair use', it's not the only one. There are a total of ten, all of which must be satistified (see WP:NFCC, which is an official policy). The one I am calling into question is No 8. I won't deny that a free use image is pretty unlikely in this case. RedCoat10talk 12:41, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The reason for my keep is that I happen to think a portrait aids understanding. Whilst this is entirely subjective there is enough of a grey area there for me to vote keep. Justin talk 12:47, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. I tend to take the view that we should minimise the amount of copyrighted material on Wikipedia, which is why I woulnd't necessarily think this particular image is necessary for our understanding of the man. The only problem I see with taking your approach is that you could potentially open the floodgates and allow any non-replicable copyrighted work under the pretext that it aids understanding. But les goûts et les couleurs ne se discutent pas, and yours is a perfectly valid opinion, so thanks. RedCoat10talk 13:09, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The issue, RedCoat, is that the "floodgates" are actually opened. What I've shown above is just a sample, but at least half of the images in Category:Fair use in... images are images that are not strictly necessary to the "understanding" of a biography. However, they're valid (at least up to now). What I mean is that if you want to challenge that interpretation, a specific image is not the place to do it, but WP:MCQ. Don't you think that? --Ecemaml (talk) 16:02, 5 January 2010 (UTC) PS: BTW, I've gone again to Category:Fair use in... images. I've started in the "E". See for instance, the first ten images in the category. Eight out of ten (File:E Nelson Bridwell by Dave Manak.jpg, File:E Y Hall.jpg, File:E zatopek2.jpg, File:E-Kempka.jpg, File:E. Riley Anderson.jpg, File:E.P.Thompson.jpg, File:E1171 spackman prince lg.jpg and File:E19735C7-FF12-24E4-0A5E95F378158409.jpg) are in the same situation. It's strange that nobody has noticed up to now that more than half the images in said category violate WP:NFCC#8, isn't it? PS2: the contextual source is Gallery of Portraits of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Spain. Unfortunately all of them are uncredited.[reply]
Your argument is bit like the child who claims that what he is doing is acceptable because everyone else is doing it. If I'm not mistaken, most of the images you've cited were uploaded at a time when there was no equivalent criterion eight (the policy changed sometime in 2006, I think). The others have just gone unnoticed. Images aren't reviewed when they're uploaded so the fact that they are being used doesn't by default mean that they acceptable. I'd slap a ((di-disputed fair use rationale)) tag on them (a couple of years ago I used to tag hundreds a day), but I fear it would be described as pointy. Moreover, I'm not challenging the 'interprepation', I'm challenging the fair-use rationale of this image. RedCoat10talk 16:44, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No, RedCoat, my argument is not that way. My argument is pretty simpler: Wikipedia works by consensus. The consensus "seems to be" that a picture of a person may be used under a fair use assumption to increase the understanding of biographies (thus not violating WP:NFCC#8). Three years after the change of the policy, nobody have suggested that such 50%-80% of the pictures in the Category:Fair use in... images should be deleted on those grounds. Again, I don't seen any problem in deleting the image I uploaded, but, again, it's not this specific image the best place to raise the awareness about the problem you seem to have detected, but WP:MCQ. BTW, the last template you've added to the picture is not correct according to Wikipedia:Citing sources#Images. Best regards --Ecemaml (talk) 18:18, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed it was the lack of argument based on policy was behind my neutral comment, the everyone else is doing it defence doesn't cut the mustard. A fair use rationale is, however, possible I believe. Justin talk 17:34, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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