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File:2008 KD logo.gif

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Killiondude (talk) 07:03, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

File:2008 KD logo.gif (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Erik16 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Superseded by File:Kings Dominion logo 2007-2011.png Magog the Ogre (tc) 04:45, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Sui Dhaaga 2018.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: speedy deleted by multiple users per G3. (non-admin closure) LaundryPizza03 (talk) 15:30, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

File:Sui Dhaaga 2018.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Kapoor2013 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Fan-made poster Krimuk2.0 (talk) 09:18, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Photographs of Club Ponytail in Harbor Springs, Michigan.png

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Explicit (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 02:02, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

File:Photographs of Club Ponytail in Harbor Springs, Michigan.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Eugene Francois Vidocq (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

I really doubt the public library holds the copyright to everything a newspaper produced. ~ Rob13Talk 17:24, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Unless someone comes forth that the Petoskey Public Library owns and licensed the photos of the Petoskey News, this should be deleted. Imzadi 1979  20:25, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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File:Photograph of Public Artist Martin Firrell by Will J Jackson.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Explicit (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 02:02, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

File:Photograph of Public Artist Martin Firrell by Will J Jackson.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Steinman (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Orphaned with questionable licensing. The license is given on the subject's site, not by the photographer, and it's unclear whether the photographer released it under that license. ~ Rob13Talk 17:41, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Generali Tower Milan 02.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Explicit (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 03:03, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

File:Generali Tower Milan 02.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Conte di Cavour (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

The structure of the tower itself is PD. That much is agreed upon. But the image itself is dual licensed. The photograph holds its own copyright license and we would need to know that that was also correctly released. The image itself was originally uploaded to Commons by Skid22 but the EXIF data indicates that it came from Facebook. A directly link to the image in question either here or through OTRS (which I'd be able to process) would be appreciated for confirmatory purposes. Majora (talk) 18:46, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry, I just uploaded it from Commons since it was listed for deletion for reasons other than those pointed out by you and that I was not aware of. Anyway, I fear I am not able to trace back the origin of the picture. It appears to be everywhere on the net. --Conte di Cavour (talk) 19:06, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No need to apologize. Don't worry about it. FOP and country specific laws can get crazy once you fall down that rabbit hole. I tried to trace it back too before putting it here and I wasn't able to. For precautionary reasons if it can be verified I don't think we can keep it. --Majora (talk) 19:11, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Update: maybe it came from here? https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=581773498613300&id=153904631400191 This is the official Facebook page (in italian) of the Municipality of Milan. But I have no idea of which kind of licence is involved here.
Hmm. Well if that is the case then I'm afraid we definitely can't keep it. There is no release on the image. And the only Italian governmental works that are auto PD are edicts. Images that don't have an explicit release default to an "all rights reserved" type license. This is for the photograph itself not the building design which is PD in the US. Both licenses have to be taken into account. --Majora (talk) 19:37, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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File:GE - Good Ending v1 cover.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: reduce file size. Opencooper, consensus here is clear. The application of the media file policy in these instances, and in its application in a general sense, is more restrictive than your liking. You don't have to agree with it, but you must still abide by it. Circumventing this consensus, both in the past and the future, is not helpful and simply disruptive. It's time to accept it and move on. xplicit 01:23, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Also

 Comment: Editors may also view User_talk:Ronhjones#An_appeal where he asked (as he has before) that he has a hidden category for his images so he can have them at the size he wants. I do not see why one editor's images should be different from all other editors. Ronhjones  (Talk) 16:07, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Majora and Begoon: That was per RonJones own guidance. Notice the template was created by them. I also was in dialogue with them about it on their talk page. If you pay attention, they mention it on this page as well. They told me to do this to stop their own mass-editing. I'm not the one being disruptive here. Opencooper (talk) 04:42, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Let me repeat, I feel attacked. Instead of trying to sympathize with me or follow guideline, I get ganged up on. Of course I'm going to get testy. I tried to even follow what the users recommend and that gets contorted as me being disruptive. I've noticed this type of behavior time and time again at venues like AfD, ANI, and more. These gang tactics are exactly why so many people are turned off from Wikipedia and why so many leave. You all create this insurmountable barrier of bureaucracy and don't follow common sense. None of the arguments in this thread were along the tenets of fair use nor Wikipedia's own fair use guidelines. it's just a bunch of bullying. This is why I feel attacked. Instead of wondering why an editor of four years, with numerous articles created, thousands of edits, a Featured Picture on Commons, and more. would behave this way, you all insinuate on my character instead of assuming good faith or seeing my attempts at ameliorating the situation.

These images are nowhere close to the 300dpi needed for printing, or even the 2MP needed for Commons. It's merely an overzealous crusade. By no one's definition would these be considered "high resolution" so that they could infringe on the publisher's rights. it's clear this is a long-term crusade against me to drive me off of this project, and let me tell you, it's working. I never once interfered with RonJones other mass editing despite them violating the guidelines (which is why I placed the nobots template), nor did I bring them to ANI for their behavior, though we all know people get away with a lot worse on Wikipedia, especially admins. I am the victim here. Lastly, I tried to stop commenting here to let things cool down so I could apologize for my conduct, but then you all started the whipping anew, despite me trying to personally fix things with RonJones. I care a lot about this project, which is why I don't appreciate non-content creators like RonJones creating petty roadblocks for other people to deal with and these attacks on my character, and long-term harassment (they've been slowly tagging my uploads to see how far they could push me). Pinging involved parties: @Ronhjones and BU Rob13: as well. Opencooper (talk) 05:01, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think I've actually interacted with RonJones before. I do image maintenance for literally hours every single day, here and on Commons. I'm only eager to enforce our non-free content policy that every other editor has to follow. Stop playing the victim. It doesn't work and I really don't care. At all. RonJones is enforcing the non-free content policy. Period. I certainly don't "worship" him just because he is an admin. I hate plenty of admins. And this is Files for discussion anyways. It is a place for second opinions. It is not like the images are going to be deleted. You can either deal with the fact that these images can, and will, be reduced back down in size or not but you aren't going to get sympathy out of me. And certainly not for misrepresenting me when I haven't interacted with you before either. --Majora (talk) 05:10, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Majora: Like I explained, it's also about harassment, not just the images. And why are you so eager to enforce something you don't even understand? The guideline literally says "There is no firm guideline on allowable resolutions for non-free content". These accusations of "playing the victim" are exactly the type of tactics I'm talking about. Opencooper (talk) 05:13, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It also says "images should be rescaled as small as possible to still be useful as identified by their rationale, and no larger". You've never provided rationale for why your images should be larger than 0.1 megapixels. If you believe you are being harassed, despite the fact that you've been treated no different than any other person uploading larger-than-usual non-free images and that Ronhjones has been resizing images from many editors other than yourself, you can start a thread at WP:ANI about it. Before you do that, I encourage you to read WP:BOOMERANG. I suspect it will apply. ~ Rob13Talk 05:21, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@BU Rob13: So how is does it make sense to mass nominate these images if "images should be rescaled as small as possible to still be useful" (somehow you all think a photograph has the same attributes as a comic cover and can be resized the same, when even within comic covers there's a huge variation in line width, character faces, and so much more)? Your own logic doesn't make sense. How come the 260 pixels that RonJones chooses isn't too large? And again, I never interfered with their edits on other people's files, they're the ones who started edit warring. Opencooper (talk) 05:28, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@BU Rob13, Begoon, and Majora: I'm still waiting for you all to chide RonJones on his edit warring since you were all so righteous about ganging up on me before about behavior. Now you're all suddenly mum, huh? Really reveals your true allegiances, cuz everyone knows admins aren't possibly capable of harassment or bad conduct. Opencooper (talk) 00:00, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Opencooper - please don't continue to ping me to this discussion. It's on my watchlist, and if I have anything to add to what I have already said then I will do so. Thank you. -- Begoon 00:49, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Begoon: You received a notification due to the MediaWiki software noting that your username was mentioned. This is due to a call to action specifically mentioning your username that you might miss amidst a watchlist of hundreds of pages that most active users have. I am also making sure that everyone involved in this discussion is aware of developments since you all accused me before of trying to circumvent consensus earlier. If you don't want to receive notifications for username mentions, you may change this in your preferences. I have included a wikilink to that page for your convenience, thanks. Opencooper (talk) 01:59, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh... I'm well aware of how the notification system works. Since you have pointedly ignored my polite request not to trigger unnecessary notifications to me, to a discussion I am watching, by pinging me again, I have added your username to the (previously empty) list of usernames from whom notifications are muted. I will still see additions to this discussion, and will respond if I feel the need. Please reconsider your course in general. I entered the first discussion with an amount of sympathy for your position (but not your methods). You have completely eroded that, and the string of pointy little actions like this to piss people off is not likely to end well for you. -- Begoon 02:15, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, I just can't win with you guys. First you accuse me of trying to sneakily circumvent consensus (hence the resulting pings). When I explained that was per RonJones instructions, you then proceed to criticize my conduct. When I explained that as well, you all suddenly go silent and completely ignores RonJones'. Finally, when I actually argue policy which you are all misinterpreting, you remain steadfast. Discussions on Wikipedia seem to be a joke, with the first comment setting the tone and everyone else just piling on. For someone feigning "sympathy" for me, you sure had no problem calling me a pest and levying accusations of subterfuge on me. And lastly, you're still going on about pointyness and threats while RonJones still hasn't been told anything about his edit warring. Some sympathizer you are. Opencooper (talk) 02:40, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It's quite clear from everyone's comments here that a mass-nomination is inappropriate since each image needs to be considered on its own merits and be made as small as possible while still being useful. Thus this should be procedurally closed based on the arguments of all the "reduce all" voters themselves. There's no magic number that every file can be reduced to, and anyone who isn't a bot would understand that. Opencooper (talk) 05:35, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment: I see nothing wrong with a mass nomination, where the starting rationale is the same for all images. It's been done before (and very often at commons), and editors could make statements here like "keep all"; "reduce all"; "reduce A,B,C - keep X,Y,Z) - it does not always have to be an "all" vote. If the uploader does not like our guideline, he is always free to suggest a change at WP:VPP, it's been there since mid 2011, maybe it does need an update, but that's for a community discussion to resolve, not here. As an aside, in general the guideline size works very well for most images (posters, record covers, portraits, game covers) without affecting the article (I would estimate 99.9% reduce OK), and the article is the only place we should be concerned about. I know there are files where you cannot achieve the guideline without significant or total corruption of the image (often computer screenshots, where the image is effectively pixelated to start with) - and on many of these I have tried manual reduction to various sizes with PhotoShop, sometimes without any success, hence a good reason for the "no reduce" template - it shows images that do not reduce well. Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:20, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Ronhjones: Mass nominations at Commons are about copyvios, that's not even relevant here. And you seem to be confused, you're the one going against guideline, hence you're the one who needs to get it changed. I also notice you go into these digressions like how you're only doing your job or this unnecessary tangent on computer graphics. Funny how you say it applies well to all, then immediately contradict yourself, especially when you snuck a photograph into a nomination of comic covers. I also noticed you're suddenly mum once I called you out on your behavior. Bullies always are special kinds of cowards who get shook once the mirror is turned on them. Not only is the mass-nomination void, so is your original rationale about "high resolution", and you know it. Opencooper (talk) 00:00, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Opencooper: That's quite enough. If you continue making personal attacks/threats, disrupting this discussion, and/or playing victim/ignoring consensus, then expect me or another admin to block you for disruptive editing. Please drop the stick and let the issue rest. Consider yourself warned. Regards, FASTILY 08:47, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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