March 10

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 10, 2017.

How can a tram route cross a trolley bus route without short circuits

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The result of the discussion was keep. WJBscribe (talk) 15:55, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Implausible redirect - deleted in 2005, it has been inexplicably recreated. Exemplo347 (talk) 09:26, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, if I remember rightly I nominated that ranting, rambling angry page for a Speedy when I encountered it. Your move proposal is sound - it's a plausible search term. Exemplo347 (talk) 16:10, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
If there is a simpler phrasing maybe Crossing tram lines or Crossing trolley lines or Crossing tram and trolley lines then opt for those, but I think RHaworth's version is better than the original question. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 01:53, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: WP:INVOLVED relist so a log page can be closed
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 21:54, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Military and Hospitally Order of Saint Lazarus of Jerusalem

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 14:28, 19 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Request deletion. The redirect was created by User:Wissenschaftler-Uni whose edits reveal a very poor grasp of the English language. This creation seems to be one of his/her many spelling errors, as the intention appears to have been to create "Military and Hospitaller Order....", which is the formal name of the redirect target. Timothy Titus Talk To TT 18:14, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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JAMALDINI

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 14:08, 19 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Unlikely capitalisation and Jamaldini already exists. There's also a WP:COSTLY aspect here as the current target has over a hundred redirects. – Uanfala (talk) 16:04, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Somewhat off-topic discussion regarding a restoration of Jamaldini. -- Tavix (talk) 04:14, 11 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Jamaldini, which should be restored as an article. It was redirected because it was an "unsourced article", but with no discussion of Jamaldini at the target, a redirect makes zero sense. It'd be better to seek deletion of the article at a proper forum. -- Tavix (talk) 19:15, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • No objections to restoring Jamaldini as long as it can be reliably sourced. Regardless of what happens to that article, I don't see the point of the all-caps redirect: it's implausible as a search term and I don't see breaking external links as an issue (the article was at this title for the first 7 minutes of its existence 8 years ago – too little, too long ago). – Uanfala (talk) 02:40, 11 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
      • You mention over a hundred redirects. I glanced through the list and there's several other former article redirects that fit this same mould. I'd be willing to put together a mass AfD including all of these. That way the merits of the articles can be judged and, knowing what normally happens with these articles, I bet this redirect would then be taken care of via WP:G8. What would you think of that? -- Tavix (talk) 02:51, 11 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
        • Well, I'm currently making my way through the list: there are two redirects I'm planning to expand into articles and there are quite a few that will likely end up being retargeted. But that will still leave a hundred or so redirects, many of them former articles. Each one of them will have to be judged on its own merits, so a mass AfD nomination is sure to be the same kind of trainwreck that happened with the mass AfD for the jat clans last year. The ideal situation is where each article is either restored with proper references, or sent individually to Prod or AfD at a very slow rate – the community of active editors here is very small, so more than a single nomination once a month or two isn't likely to elicit much input. – Uanfala (talk) 03:58, 11 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
          • Thanks for your input, that makes sense. I'd be willing to help out where necessary. -- Tavix (talk) 04:05, 11 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
            • I'm going to collapse this and strike my !vote. While I still believe an AfD/PROD should happen, it's not really pressing in my mind and I don't want that to stand in the way of deleting this redirect. -- Tavix (talk) 04:14, 11 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Twyla

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The result of the discussion was create SIA. (non-admin closure) Uanfala (talk) 15:24, 19 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No obvious connection to the target Peter Rehse (talk) 15:58, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Name indices aren't PTMs since it's common for people to be called by one of their names, see MOS:APO. The character can be added to the index if she's mentioned somewhere. -- Tavix (talk) 12:42, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Git wizard

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 18:28, 19 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Insulting redirect to a living figure; no pages link here. OZOO 10:09, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Tribes in Balochistan

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 18:27, 19 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

An WP:XY situation on several levels. The Baloch people aren't the only ethnic group of Balochistan that is organised on tribal terms, nor are they predominant by a sufficiently large margin to be seen as a "primary" sense of the phrase. I don't see any relevant content anywhere, and although Balochistan seems like a potential target that could get expanded with relevant content, it is not ideal, as it doesn't quite subsume all the other places with the same name, which also have tribal populations of their own. – Uanfala (talk) 06:53, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Communist Party of Nepal (disambiguation)

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The result of the discussion was no consensus, again. While the page is technically not a disambiguation, it functions as one. Opinions are split on whether or not the redirect remains useful, among other things. -- Tavix (talk) 18:25, 19 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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This has been cited at a precedent for handling vestigial redirects from a converted dab -> WP:SIA. This needs wider scrutiny, so must be relisted. (as I promised at RfD) Widefox; talk 05:42, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

ASTONISH - broadly this is a consistency with the user interface, but it surfaces in MOS:SUBMARINE (no pun intended) "Keep piped links as intuitive as possible. Per the principle of least astonishment, make sure that the reader knows what to expect when clicking on a link. " and this is most pertinent in the whole of WP with things like MOS:DABPIPE. When users are navigating, we strip piping to provide the most WYSIWYG. Now, I believe this may be part of why having a redirect namespace " (disambiguation)" that's reserved for redirecting to dab pages exclusively is a consistency of user interface experience and ASTONISH that we should uphold. If we relax that, users do not know what to expect when navigating via a " (disambiguation)".
My understanding is that there's several good reasons for RfD CHEAP, but that must be balanced against a consistent user interface. We're not talking about articles, my understanding is that copyright doesn't apply to functional works (non-creative works like dabs navigation), which is another reason to preserve history. As dabs aren't generally allowed to be linked to, this seems like most/all of the precautions at RfD do not apply. Widefox; talk 11:18, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) As for what an average user expects, of course that's right. But UI expectations for average users are high nowadays, one of the reasons cited to preserve the redirect above was to enable discovery via the search box - but that's exactly the expectation we break if we don't maintain consistency, and there's practical reasons why disambiguation is much more strict about link ASTONISHment as navigation is a means to an ends - quick, easy, consistent navigation, no refs, no ext, so there's a thin end of the wedge argument that these highly specialised pages have to preserve their UI. It's difficult enough for average readers and editors to distinguish dabs/SIAs without conflating SIAs and dabs in best practice. Widefox; talk 11:18, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"It's difficult enough for average readers and editors to distinguish dabs/SIAs without conflating SIAs and dabs in best practice" The average reader doesn't need to know or care about the difference between dabs and SIAs because they both fulfill the same navigational purpose - of directing users to the non-primary topic article they are looking for. The only reason they are not all called disambiguation pages is because of an internal style guideline. Thryduulf (talk) 13:33, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Is that the crux of this? "both fulfill the same navigational purpose" (emphasis own). That assumption is just a conflation. "List xxx" shouldn't target a dab per WP:HOWTODAB. We treat them differently, and conflate them at a COST. That search use case is a hack (see AN) (not sure if it also risks mobile users using more data as lists are allowed to have more data - graphics etc. I'd prefer to know I'm always getting a dab. Less data. If I need to nav via a list it's better by choice not ASTONISH.) They aren't the same, and on mobile it is more pronounced - screen size, consistency etc. Agree about average user, but looks can be deceiving - dabs and SIAs are treated very differently (superficially some may look identical, I agree), which is the reason for having these redirects to avoid direct linking dabs. If all the dabs had such redirects, then this search would still be a hack, but would work. Widefox; talk 18:12, 10 March 2017 (UTC) (updated) Widefox; talk 13:07, 14 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have any data for that? How do we balance that (currently unknown importance) external use case with WP internal consistency use case? What's the benefit if we know the cost? (the cost of maintaining a legacy namespace that's vestigial to an internal navigation system) Widefox; talk 11:52, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note WP:COSTLY is also an essay. The nom is about how costly. Not aware of trend/why OTHERSTUFF is relevant, and obscure proven unreliable navigation seems increasingly offtopic. Suggest taking them up separately elsewhere. Widefox; talk 03:23, 14 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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White weapon

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The result of the discussion was delete. I'll also take care of the other redirects Godsy mentioned without prejudice against recreation somewhere else. -- Tavix (talk) 18:15, 19 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

White weapon is currently a redirect to a deleted article Cold weapon. There seems to be some usage of the term (e.g. [1]). The article cold weapon was deleted on the basis that it was a made-up term. If that reasoning holds, this should be deleted also. MB 02:54, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Significance (2014 film)

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The result of the discussion was delete. Primefac (talk) 02:36, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. There's a couple projects in development according to IMDb, but no signs of moving into production anytime soon. -- Tavix (talk) 01:31, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Seven Years, Three Days

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The result of the discussion was delete. Primefac (talk) 02:35, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. "Seven Years, Three Days" is mentioned nowhere on Wikipedia, and I was unable to verify that anything is even in development via IMDb. -- Tavix (talk) 01:23, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The Key Man

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The result of the discussion was delete. Primefac (talk) 02:35, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:CRYSTAL as the film is still in development. This could also be seen as WP:XY since there's a minor 2011 film by the name that appears in passing in a few articles. -- Tavix (talk) 01:20, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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By Virtue Fall

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 14:29, 19 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:CRYSTAL as the film is still in development. -- Tavix (talk) 01:16, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The Ballad of Pablo Escoba

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The result of the discussion was delete. Primefac (talk) 02:32, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:CRYSTAL as the film is still in development. -- Tavix (talk) 01:13, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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First North American blizzard of 2010

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The result of the discussion was delete. Primefac (talk) 02:32, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

These could be seen as confusing. Unlike tropical cyclones, winter storms don't have a rigid numbering system and the definitions of what qualify as a winter storm varies across sources. The fact that Fourth North American winter storm and blizzard target different articles help illustrate this. -- Tavix (talk) 00:47, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect category

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 18:10, 19 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Cross-namespace redirect from mainspace to projectspace; not a generally accepted/acceptable pseudo-shortcut like 'MOS:', either. AddWittyNameHere (talk) 00:16, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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