October 2

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 2, 2018.

The Witcher 4

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. ~ Amory (utc) 17:16, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not found on target page. Lordtobi () 22:48, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Throbbing

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was no consensus. ~ Amory (utc) 17:17, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SOFTSISTER does not justify creating a redirect when the creator is the one who previously created the page, see here. The same user responsible for this also created sackful and Blow off, which are being discussed here. I am all for WP:NOTCENSORED but not merely to appease a penchant if that is the case. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 06:03, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"that some[one has] seen fit to create th[ese redirects] suggests that [the redirects are] plausible and useful." By that logic, every redirect is plausible and useful. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 03:14, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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@Godsy: most redirects created by humans are plausible and useful. There are exceptions (e.g. uncommon typos) and there are times when other considerations are stronger (e.g. redirects that are irretrievably ambiguous). This combined with WP:CHEAP is why redirects should be kept unless there is a good reason to delete (not vice versa). Thryduulf (talk) 08:33, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. However, the vast majority of redirects are to local targets. The issue at heart here is when soft redirects to sister sites are appropriate. According to the relevant guidelines as they currently read, it is not appropriate in this case. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 08:52, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Guidelines explicitly note that exceptions apply and that they are intended to be applied with common sense. In this case having a soft redirect will serve our readers better than rigidly following something that was never intended to be rigidly followed. Thryduulf (talk) 09:08, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Guidelines are a "generally accepted standard that editors should attempt to follow." Unless you are arguing that this case is an exception that we should bend the rules for and return to following the guideline afterward, I have already explained why WP:IAR (where "common sense" and "occasional exceptions" link within ((subcat guideline))) is not applicable below. Policies and guidelines document community consensus and allow a large number of people to work together on a collaborative project. If you believe one should not be followed, gain consensus to change it (an added benefit of that path is that we get to avoid discussions like this). — Godsy (TALKCONT) 09:30, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
In this case having a soft-redirect is clearly beneficial. If the guidelines say that it would normally not be in this situation, then this is an exception to the guideline and so the guideline should not be applied - which is exactly how guidelines work. Thryduulf (talk) 10:27, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
For it to be a reasonable exception, it must be shown why this is a special circumstance compared to all other soft redirects that would violate the guideline. No one has done that. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 11:09, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Eh? All that we need to show is that a soft redirect is the best option in the circumstances applying to this redirect, which has been done. How and if the guideline applies to other redirects is entirely off-topic for this discussion. If you want to discuss the guideline in general, then you need to start a section on the guideline's talk page. Thryduulf (talk) 17:07, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I probably will, though the onus to start a discussion generally falls to those who wish to disregard a guideline. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 02:06, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Godsy: No, that doesn't follow at all. The operative word is suggests: there might be myriad other reasons for deleting a redirect, which would cause us to disregard that suggestion, but in this case no such reasons apply. Perhaps it's not the most relevant issue in relation to this redirect though: at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 August 27#Sackful I was responding specifically to the nominator's description of the redirect as "a very unlikely title to search for". I think that argument ignores the fact that somebody presumably not only searched for it, but also, on finding that it didn't exist, felt the need to create it; but no such argument was made in your nomination here. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 22:43, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: to discuss the merits of deletion vs. retargeting to Throb (disambiguation) vs. keeping as a soft redirect
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 15:42, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amory (utc) 02:17, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amory (utc) 17:18, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Andante (music)

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was no consensus. ~ Amory (utc) 17:19, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Context: Andante has now been turned into a disambiguation page.) Andante (music) could be confused with Andante (song), and with Andante (tempo) there is a redirect with the same target as Andante (music) but with a more specific disambiguator. Tea2min (talk) 08:35, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amory (utc) 02:17, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amory (utc) 17:18, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Economy of tThe Gambia

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 22:28, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Implausible typo Reyk YO! 11:23, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Shirley Roberts

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 October 10#Shirley Roberts