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User:Kingofmann

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Suspected sockpuppeteer: Kingofmann (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Suspected sockpuppets: Theisles (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log); Lazydown (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log); DukeofAntwerp (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log); Drewdaily (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log); ~~Freddulany (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)~~; ~~Martylunsford (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)~~
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CarbonLifeForm (talk) 21:46, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence

Continuous vociferous POV commenting at David Howe (claimant to King of Mann) and its afd
Talk:Lord_of_Mann#Notes:_Heir_and_Claimant

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The King of Mann was User:DukeofAntwerp in a previous life. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CarbonLifeForm (talk • contribs) 23:34, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
He admits it under Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Principality of Vikesland .... I am David Howe and a member of Vikesland's Royal Council. I fail to see why that is an issue, unless perhaps a person who has more knowledge than yourself about the true nature of Vikeland and what is actually written by the authors of "Micronations," a book that you apparently have never touched, has to say. Pardon me for the defending the predatory actions of a few. You're negative agenda here is obvious.--DukeofAntwerp 22:20, 29 September 2006 (UTC) CarbonLifeForm (talk) 23:39, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

User:Duke_of_Antwerp does not seem to exist. VivioFateFan ^{(Talk, Sandbox)} 03:00, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Try User:DukeofAntwerp CarbonLifeForm (talk) 09:46, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I hope I'm not breaching privacy here, you can blank this if I am, but it seems fairly obvious that User:Martylunsford is the ultralight pilot Marty Lunsford, judging from his contributions[2] and a quick google search[3].

Freddulany is probably a real person called Fred Dulany.

As I said at the Request for Arbitration, DukeofAntwerp and Drewdaily are almost certainly the same person as Kingofmann[4]. DukeofAntwerp and Kingofmann both claim to be the same person, and only that person could know the information inserted by Drewdaily. However, to be fair, neither of the older accounts is now in use. DrKiernan (talk) 13:37, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On 'Theisles' and 'Lazydown'. User 'Theisles' first appeared on 23 October 2006, inserting statements about David Howe on two Wikipedia pages (see contribs). On that same date, 23 October 2006, David Howe made a signed post to Usenet claiming the title 'Prince of Mann and the Isles'. See http://groups.google.com/group/alt.talk.royalty/msg/875ab24c46fd8816. 'Theisles' (as in 'Prince of Mann and ... ') has exclusively made POV edits to articles about David Howe's claim down to 21 December 2007. User 'Theisles' disappeared on that date and User 'Lazydown' appeared; 'Lazydown' has had same pattern of POV contribs on same subject. For what it's worth, User 'Theisles' denied being Howe on 8 November 2007: "...I do not know Howe or how many homes he owns..." http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Lord_of_Mann&diff=prev&oldid=170196169 68.166.235.203 (talk) 14:34, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Given the checkuser result below, what is the ordinary consequence of repeated denials by User Kingofmann? -- http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:David_Howe_%28claimant_to_King_of_Mann%29&diff=prev&oldid=184237649 68.166.235.203 (talk) 18:07, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

*User:Kingofmann is presently blocked. - CarbonLifeForm (talk) 13:50, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently Howe claimed/claims/is related to Daniel Dulany (Talk Page Archive 1 of his biography) and the Freddulany account has added “Duke Howe of Antwerp” to the list of Frederick, Maryland notable residents I think the accounts contributions point to this being another Howe sockpuppet and not someone named Fred Dulany. Am I able to add another suspected sockpuppet User:Wikiroyals Kigf (talk) 21:26, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Patterns of contribs for User Wikiroyals doesn't match single-issue focus and argumentativeness of Howe's known socks. Looks like Wikiroyals just likes to add links to articles on royalty, without much descrimination. But I agree on pattern of contribs for Freddulany, a probable sock (inserted Howe into Wikipedia, defended 'Vikesland' from proposed deletion, and attacked its detractors during the AfD discussion). 140.247.42.73 (talk) 21:56, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Checkuser confirms that Lazydown, Kingofmann, Theisles are the same. --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 16:16, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- My inclination, unless someone has a really good reason to do otherwise, is to indefblock the socks and leave the main account for the arbitration committee. Lazydown is an active participant in the AFD and so that's clearly a case of using a sock to create the appearance of support. --B (talk) 20:35, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Would be the apropriate course of action. Support--Hu12 (talk) 20:49, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What Wikipedia says

WP:Article_subjects'_FAQ#The_information_in_your_article_about_me_is_wrong._How_can_I_get_it_fixed.3F

It is generally considered okay for you to edit your own article in certain circumstances:

If the article is clearly derogatory in tone and was written based on questionable sources or no sources.
If it contains private information you strongly don't want shared, particularly if you are not famous. (This might include, for example, your e-mail address, date of birth, religious affiliation or sexual orientation.)
If you believe it is libelous.

These are the circumstances under which I participated in the editing of the biography page about me.--Kingofmann (talk) 23:49, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- Yes, this is understood under WP:AGF. The problem is that you appear to have hidden your identity, said things that were not true and have ignored WP:COI and WP:NPOV. My suggestion would be that you leave things alone and let other folks sort it out. The chances are it will come out OK for you in a while. WikiRules may be bizarre but there are folks around who will look after your interests. Whatever occurs it doesn't have to get a reaction from you within hours or even days. You have also compared yourself with Prince Charles who did not bring his notability upon himself as you have tried to do (using WP:OR). You see yourself as a minor celebrity which status you surely volunteered for; you have drummed up a little press interest and you don’t like the downside. You have been referred to as unassuming (that must have been sarcasm) and your coat of arms is undoubtedly pretentious. Your embarrassment is understood; it may now be best if you back off for a while. --CarbonLifeForm (talk) 23:59, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- Very little of the information here is wrong you have been exposed as a liar through your serial use of sockpuppets past and present you don‘t seem to have learnt your lesson from your Vikesland wikipedia days.Kigf (talk) 00:13, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Conclusions

User:Theisles -- indefinite blocked as confirmed sockpuppet
User:Lazydown -- indefinite blocked as confirmed sockpuppet Gnan garra 10:04, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Abandoned accounts User:DukeofAntwerp and User:Drewdaily indefinitely blocked as suspected sockpuppets DrKiernan (talk) 08:41, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Late update for completeness: