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First go at an idea for a footer for aircraft articles. Suggest that none of these elements should contain more than about 5-6 links - should err on the side of brevity... (will look better on white (normal) pages, too)
Example - table for Messerschmitt Me 163
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--Rlandmann 01:30, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Example - table for P-51 Mustang
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Ok basically i tried to compact it, changed the other commas to slashes, and changed the coloring a little. I could not get 'related content' to center properly. Also is it possible to do this in wiki-code rather then html ( is that even possible?).
I like the content thats incuded the I had some concerns. One is whether the sequence means the development sequence or just the number sequence. For example the F-20 is a development of the F-5 even thoughs its not after in designation.
Also, should similar aircraft mean the aircraft contemporaries (ones it fought with), ones that existed at same time, or ones with similair type performance. I suppose it can be adapted as the case requires though and more categories could be added as necessary.
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Related Aircraft | A-36 Apache - F-82 Twin Mustang - CAC Kangaroo |
Similar Aircraft | Supermarine Spitfire - Focke-Wulf Fw 190 - Lavochkin La-7 |
Development Line: | XP-48 - XP-49 - XP-50 - P-51 - XP-52 - XP-53 - XP-54 |
Related Lists | List of military aircraft of the United States - List of fighter aircraft |
OK, I present the wikified version of the table. I've made a couple of changes from the small version above. One is that I have centred the table itself, and I've removed the off-white background from the main section. The colour removal can, of course, easily be reversed.
If you were trying to centre the table using the align="center" style attribute, you were making a common mistake of many with CSS. That style attribute only works with inline elements. A table is a block level element, and thus needs its margins being set to auto in order to get it centred..
Personally, I was thinking about proposing a table at the bottom of an article containing links to all the variants of an aircraft. However, this concept seems workable enough, provided we define sequence carefully. For airforces lacking an overall designation progression, like the RAF, attempting to assemble a development line could prove somewhat tricky. It could be done, but it would not be the same as a potential USAF or Luftwaffe list.David Newton 06:17, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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Variants | P-51A Mustang - P-51B Mustang - P-51C Mustang - P-51D Mustang - P-51K Mustang - F-6 Mustang |
Related Aircraft | A-36 Apache - F-82 Twin Mustang - CAC Kangaroo - Piper Enforcer |
Similar Aircraft | Supermarine Spitfire - Focke-Wulf Fw 190 - Lavochkin La-7 |
Designation Sequence | XP-48 - XP-49 - XP-50 - P-51 - XP-52 - XP-53 - XP-54 |
Related Lists | List of military aircraft of the United States - List of fighter aircraft |
I guess the grey area right now is the difference between variants of the aircraft ( like F-15A, F-15B, ..) (although as said this may be within the article), Clones of the Aircraft, Development Aircraft ( or projects), Airplanes that preceded or were after that shared a lot of technology but were developments of given aircraft and got new names ( as in Me 163 Ju 248 etc... or the A-12 and SR-71), and the aircraft contempories that it may fought with eacthother share a similar technogy era.
As another idea- would it be posible to do comething similair to this fotter information- but right under the table so people dont have to scroll to the bottom? Perhaps we could have the footer and put some other type of catgory there ( maybe just variants). One idea /attempt at it:
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Variants | P-51A Mustang - P-51B Mustang - P-51C Mustang - P-51D Mustang - P-51K Mustang - F-6 Mustang |
Related Aircraft | A-36 Apache - F-82 Twin Mustang - CAC Kangaroo - Piper Enforcer |
The idea being it would go under the table on the right side. Greyengine5 21:55, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I agree that slightly different standards for different air forces (and, more generally, different categories of aircraft) is the way to go - we already do this with the naming conventions. Where there is a convenient, ready-made designation system (US military, WWII Luftwaffe) we can use that, otherwise we default back to manufacturer. For this reason, I prefer to keep the name of the row deliberately vague - "series" or "sequence"
Example - MiG-15
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Related Aircraft | MiG-17 - MiG-19 |
Similar Aircraft | Lavochkin La-15 - F-86 Sabre - de Havilland Venom - Saab J29 |
Series | MiG-8 - MiG-9 - MiG-13 - MiG-15 - MiG-17 - MiG-19 - MiG-21 |
Related Lists | List of military aircraft of the Soviet Union and the CIS - List of fighter aircraft |
I think the (small) benefit of a less squashed box at the bottom of the page outweigh the (small) benefit of not having to scroll to get there. The current data table already takes up a lot of room on the page - I'd rather not see it extended. --Rlandmann 23:35, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)
As a demo, I've added this last version to the Messerschmitt Me 163 page, along with the latest version of the table. --Rlandmann 07:00, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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Related Aircraft Series | DFS 39 - DFS 194 - Me 163 -Me 263 - Mitsubishi J8M - Mig I-70 |
Similar Aircraft | Berezniak-Isaev BI-1 - Bachem Ba 349 |
Designation Series | Bf 161 - Bf 162 - He 162 - Me 163 - Me 164 - FK 166 - Fi 166 |
Related Lists | List of military aircraft of Germany - List of fighter aircraft - List of rocket planes |
On the hyphen issue its probably ok to leave it out. However leaving 'kg' as a unit of weight does perpetuate the misconception that it is. Really it should be kgf - and perhaps a link to a site explaning the matter. And finally, is there any way to change the ToC so id does not take up so much space there? Greyengine5 18:59, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
-regular footer with table font. added " font-family:Arial,Helvetica" " and changed text size to 72% (same as table).
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Related Aircraft Series | DFS 39 - DFS 194 - Me 163 -Me 263 - Mitsubishi J8M - Mig I-70 |
Similar Aircraft | Berezniak-Isaev BI-1 - Bachem Ba 349 |
Designation Series | Bf 161 - Bf 162 - He 162 - Me 163 - Me 164 - FK 166 - Fi 166 |
Related Lists | List of military aircraft of Germany - List of fighter aircraft - List of rocket planes |
current footer for comparison-
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Related Aircraft Series | DFS 39 - DFS 194 - Me 163 -Me 263 - Mitsubishi J8M - Mig I-70 |
Similar Aircraft | Berezniak-Isaev BI-1 - Bachem Ba 349 |
Designation Series | Bf 161 - Bf 162 - He 162 - Me 163 - Me 164 - FK 166 - Fi 166 |
Related Lists | List of military aircraft of Germany - List of fighter aircraft - List of rocket planes |