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Do we really need to mention the out of order stop bar lights, considering they were not supposed to be used anyway? Tvx1 17:03, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Probably not. Looks like a dead heron. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:07, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can see not mentioning the stop bar lights. But keep in mind that quite a few experts, both in Japan and the other developed countries, keep mentioning these stop lights being off. There are really two issues here: (1) It is correct that the stop lights would have been off anyway, since normal practice at Haneda was to only use them in situations with visibility much lower than that night. (2) But should those stop lights really be used all the time, not just in situations of low visibility? This may be one of the recommendations that comes out of the investigation. Westwind273 (talk) 22:17, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's true. There may be a training issue with the Coast Guard aircrew (as suggested elsewhere on this Talk page). If the pilot was mistakenly expecting to see them illuminated, and they were not, that may have been a false cue for him to expect to proceed? Hopefully the accident report may consider this. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:37, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why would the pilot be expecting them to be on, if the regulations state they were not supposed to be used in this conditions. Why would the training contradict the regulations and common practices? Even so, then the issue would be the training and not the lights being out of use. The stop bar lights being out of use is still given a false importance here. Tvx1 20:22, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know, it's pure speculation. None of us know what the pilot was thinking. The investigation might determine that. As I suggested above, the stop bar lights are probably wholly irrelevant. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:28, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Any opposition to me removing the passage then? Tvx1 20:52, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No objection. Seems like an irrelevancy. Canterbury Tail talk 20:58, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No objection. It can be replaced is the final investigation report mentions it (which seems unlikely). Martinevans123 (talk) 14:25, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

p.s. maybe simply "comment out" until report is published? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:41, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No objection. The final report is likely to mention it. It can be added then. Westwind273 (talk) 08:33, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mention it in the sense of "the stop bar lights played no role in the accident"? Or perhaps you have some very early insider information. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:23, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now removed by User:Tvx1 here. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:42, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should we add a "Gallery" section to put all the pictures? PlaneCrashKing1264 (talk) 15:05, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the aerial "Airport layout" image squeezes the text (and is a bit small to see without clicking on anyway). But the position of all the other images seems fine to me. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:45, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, galleries are for images not relevant to other sections. Galleries are discouraged and images should be attached to relevant sections in preference. See WP:GALLERY and MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE. All images appear to be attached in the relevant areas in the article. Canterbury Tail talk 15:46, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A gallery might be useful if there was a timed series of close-up images which showed how a collision progressed? i.e. across the space of say 10 - 15 seconds. A bit of a rarity, I suspect. But yes, such a series might be better placed at the bottom of a "Collision" section. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:04, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think such a series would be better made into an animated gif - if the series existed. Dcs002 (talk) 03:09, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe... PlaneCrashKing1264 (talk) 04:00, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Im talking about the runway pics.they PlaneCrashKing1264 (talk) 15:07, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it is lot smaller: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ5eqilXPiY VScode fanboy (talk) 17:05, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No that is a simple one plane clipped another while taxing. It happens many dozens of times next year and is almost never notable. Has no relevance to this article. Canterbury Tail talk 17:07, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed with whatever CT said above. A small paragraph within the relevant articles of the airlines and airport will be sufficient (I wrote the one for New Chitose Airport already.) S5A-0043^Talk 03:50, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This incident is so minor that it fails to meet the threshold of notability set forth at WP:AIRCRASH and should not be included on any page. RickyCourtney (talk) 06:26, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The name of the casualties are fully released on the Japanese newspapers. I can just add the names along with their Japanese kanjis (and perhaps their roles, since they were all in a rescuing flight), but I'm wondering if this page here really needs it (since no one else has added them in). I don't want to add something that'd be deleted by someone else because it'd really be a hassle. PBThuan (talk) 14:15, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:MEMORIAL for guidance. Borgenland (talk) 14:19, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unless they are notable individuals, they certainly would be deleted. But we do generally name the captain. Thanks for asking. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:20, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now that you've mentioned it, I wonder if the captain merits inclusion in List of sole survivors of aviation accidents and incidents? Borgenland (talk) 14:42, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure. There were 380 others. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:43, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So I will just add the captain's name then. Maybe in the 2.1 section, since it has a part where the captain is mentioned? PBThuan (talk) 05:43, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, we're not a memorial and the individuals are not notable. It's not the purpose of Wikipedia to include their names unless there is very good reason. Canterbury Tail talk 14:24, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]