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In the page on Aridnam chaudhuri, data is false and misleading i request an edit. There are no credentials to establish Shri Aridnam as an economist, and he is certainly no management guru, He is just the dean of a college known as IIPM (redacting BLP attack). I request someone to please remove economist and management guru from this credentials as it can mislead people who read the page.
http://www.indiadaily.org/entry/the-great-indian-nightmare/
Saifnaik (talk) 03:58, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
http://www.indiadaily.org is a blog. Kindly have a look at the following link http://www.indiadaily.org/about-us.php Kindly do not add links of blog. Suraj845 (talk) 16:20, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
What exactly is a reliable source? Who decides what is reliable and what is not? How come any mention of this gets removed immediately? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.51.124.237 (talk) 15:30, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
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Criticisms page needed.
http://m.timesofindia.com/PDATOI/articleshow/8954287.cms The following news article needs to be published in this page. Saifnaik (talk) 07:55, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Arindam Chaudhuri (Hindi: अरिंदम चौधुरी) is an Indian economist, management guru
and the source for that is this?? http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2004-09-03/delhi/27158332_1_top-cops-global-experts-arindam-chaudhuri
Seriously? Does Wikipedia consider paid news as a source for verifiability? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.248.161.59 (talk) 09:21, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
The Anonymous user claims that The Times of India was paid to publish the cited article.--Recrocodile (talk) 14:50, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
this word is popularly used, there is no issue in using the word guru..Pundit & Guru are words used in modern vocabulary (Alex.mathews (talk) 17:49, 29 January 2013 (UTC))
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POV issues with the article. Seems to be praising him. Doesn't mention him suing Google, or UGC stating his institute isn't a university. It doesn't mention any controversy OR that fact that he is against Wikipedia. A lot like the NICE Road article where nothing on Deve Gowda is mentioned ...
--Rsrikanth05 (talk) 09:04, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Dear Telco, Let me make a few points extremely clear so you don't repeat these mistakes again.
1. Before you accuse a fellow editor of having COI or anythign like that, make sure you read WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA. Rather than develop a condusive editing envirnoment, your first two edits on this talk page are focused on belitlling me. In case you think I have a COI, take it to the COI noticeboard. Stop immediately making such silly accusations and start assuming good faith.
2. The fellow editor above rsrikanth05 whom you are canvassing with for joint action against me is the one who has been pulled up in this week's RFA nomination [1] for having tried to openly canvass for support with other editors on twitter. Other edits have been shown in the RFA showing how he canvassed against other fellow editors too on Twitter. He apologized so that issue ends. But I took the opportunity to myself check his tweets on Arindam Chaudhuri and it is quite clear who might have a quite negative point of view at the start itself. If his tweet on Arindam Chaudhuri had been on any talk page, I dare say he would have been blocked in a second. So I would think ten times before trying to canvass support, least from editors who have been pulled up already and more less from editors who already have a negative point of view.
3. Go and read the BLP policy. Every word I am adding is from high quality and exceptional sources. Your description of "management consultant" has been challenged by me and guess what? You have not added even one source to support your claim in two of your reverts. Have you read BLP? Have you read the notice on the top of this page that warns editors to never add uncited information? The next time you add this term, I will have to report you to BLPN for both adding uncited information and for trying to high roll fellow editors with accusations of COI.
4. You might have your personal viewpoint that "management guru" is an opinion so should not be added. Unfortunatelly, that is not so. Verifiablity proves that the term "management guru" is used widely throughout exceptionally reliable sources. In my "One Minute" of search (and I am not joking ------- one minute) I found 15 high quality sources that address Chaudhuri as "management guru". So I am undoing your uncited edit again. Here are your sources - take your pick - CNBC, India Today, Times of India (multipile sources), Hindu (multiple sources), Mid Day, Tehelka, Indian Express, DNA, Pioneer, Hindustan Times, IANS, State Times, Express Buzz.... For added effect, one from Indra Gandhi Centre for National Arts. http://www.hindustantimes.com/Lifestyle/ArtAndCulture/Artist-lands-multi-million-art-contract/Article1-779958.aspx, http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2009-12-21/news-interviews/28101902_1_book-arindam-chaudhuri-diamond.http://m.indiatoday.in/itwapsite/story?sid=74396&secid=67, http://www.moneycontrol.com/mccode/news/video_news.php?yt_id=-btIK9uUvWg&query=s%20chaudhuri,http://www.mid-day.com/lifestyle/2011/dec/141211-Management-gyan-for-CEOs.htm, http://www.dailypioneer.com/vivacity/36269-mahatma-gandhi-and-lady-gaga-the-two-marketing-gurus-who-gave-thorns-to-competition.html, http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report_arindam-chaudhuri-confirmed-as-delhi-i1-team-owner_1611291, http://in.news.yahoo.com/indian-sell-india-management-guru-arindam-chaudhuri-032533150.html, http://www.statetimes.in/news/arindam-chaudhuri-confirmed-as-delhi-franchisee-holder-for-i1-super-series/, http://www.thehindu.com/life-and-style/metroplus/article2054466.ece, http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2002-02-27/bangalore/27135407_1_alternative-budget-arindam-chaudhuri-growth-rate, http://expressbuzz.com/books/Redefining-management-strategy-with-a-smile/341404.html, http://www.dailypioneer.com/vivacity/36269-mahatma-gandhi-and-lady-gaga-the-two-marketing-gurus-who-gave-thorns-to-competition.html, http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2004-09-27/news-interviews/27169986_1_arindam-chaudhuri-management-guru-management-mantra, http://www.hindu.com/mp/2011/05/30/stories/2011053050420100.htm, http://www.dnaindia.com/entertainment/report_arindam-chaudhuri-is-proud-of-his-filmi-casting-coup_1448358, http://www.ignca.nic.in/ifla2010/IFLA_PDF/Professor_Arindam_Chaudhuri.pdf.
And you must have realized that even though I am putting one one source or max two sources from each paper, I could see a miniumum of four sources per site that called him management guru.
And all these from 2002 till date.Next time, before deleting a citation from a high quality source, check for yourself rather than go totally agains BLP policy and add uncited claims. I've wasted enough time to try and undo your two words. Please don't make editors here go around in circles like this.
From this moment on, I expect you to address me honorably and without accusations. Stick completley to BLP policies than to your personal opinions.05:55, 19 January 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suraj845 (talk • contribs)
Thanks.Let me think on this. But I disagree with the comparison of Management Guru with King of Bollywood. They are two completely different things. Please search for Management Guru in the search box of Wikipedia and you will know what Management Guru means. Their are two many Management Gurus on Wikipedia. Now search for King of Bollywood. Hope you get what I mean. Suraj845 (talk) 12:49, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
Suraj, it appears that despite your history of editing articles related to IIPM and Arindam Chaudhuri, you have not taken time to familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines on writing articles and fair representation of views. Before we start considering you as a fellow editor, a cursory glance over your editing history proves your primary interest in editing Wikipedia is only to push your point of view on a few articles (all, incidentally, related to IIPM and Arindam Chaudhuri, the others are poor quality edits and link insertions). Someone saying that you have a conflict of interest with regard to these articles is neither being uncivil nor making a personal attack, but a statement of fact.
I am unconcerned about Rshrikanth's action outside of the subject, and would like to ask you to focus on the topic at hand. My expression of support to his proposal on this page cannot be termed as canvassing, and if you think it is, you ought to look up the dictionary meaning of the word and the relevant behavioral guideline on Wikipedia. Everyone has a view point on something and if this user, according to you, has a negative view about the subject of the article, does not mean that they are editing this article with a conflict of interest, because as their editing history proves, they have other interests on Wikipedia apart from Arindam Chaudhuri and IIPM institutes. However, we cannot say the same for you.
I find the manner in which you are bandying WP:BLP very amusing. Your understanding of the policy is based on the false premise that Wikipedia articles will reflect whatever is posted on what you term as "high quality and exceptional sources". I will demonstrate the fallibility of the sources you quote later. Meanwhile, the use of the phrase "management consultant" is consistent with Chaudhuri's own claims on his websites:
It is also consistent with the practice on articles about business strategists (prominent ones, if I might add) who have been called "gurus". For instance, the lead section of the page on Peter Drucker refers to him as a "management consultant" and not a guru (which means "an influential advisor or mentor", the word influential itself is a matter of opinion not fact); alternatively, take a look at the page of C. K. Prahalad, which does not use the word "guru" in the lead section, or anywhere else, for that matter, stated as a matter of fact. The lead sections of Wikipedia articles, and specially biographies have to be written in a conservative manner - without praise or criticism. Quoting Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living persons: "BLPs should be written responsibly, cautiously, and in a dispassionate tone, avoiding both understatement and overstatement. Articles should document in a non-partisan manner what reliable secondary sources have published about the subject, and in some circumstances what the subject has published about himself." (emphasis mine)
According to Wikipedia's content guideline on identifying reliable sources: 'The word "source" as used on Wikipedia has three related meanings: the piece of work itself (the article, book), the creator of the work (the writer, journalist), and the publisher of the work [...]. All three can affect reliability. Reliable sources may be published materials with a reliable publication process, authors who are regarded as authoritative in relation to the subject, or both. Reliable sources may be published materials with a reliable publication process, authors who are regarded as authoritative in relation to the subject, or both.'
According to the section on news organizations, 'news sources often contain both reporting content and editorial content'. 'When taking information from opinion pieces, the identity of the author may help determine reliability. The opinions of specialists and recognized experts are more likely to be reliable and to reflect a significant viewpoint.' Please remember that exceptional claims must be backed by exceptional sources (as per WP:REDFLAG).
The sources you have quoted are discussed as under:
If you are still not convinced, then we should definitely be heading to the COI noticeboard.
Additionally, I am opposed to the assertion of him being a member of the planning commission being included in the lead section based on a singular source (probably on a statement he made to the media), specially when he is not listed on the Planning Commission website among the former members. Thanks.
Telco (talk) 18:54, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
Spat sorry I made a mistake by not writing I had cut the libelous material.
Telco, 1. assume good faith is a key point one editors should always see when you are talking to other. Just look at how you are leaving edit summaries and talk posts keeping on accusing me in every post of COI. How do you think I will feel? Outcast!! For information I am no lover of Chaudhuri. I have as many views about him as I have about Santorum. But that does not mean I hate him either. Don’t you realize that editors edit Wikipedia as a hobyy than a full time work and have only a few interests to improve Wikipedia? Every one tries hard. You do your own work on Wikipedia and improve it. I do my own work and improve it. I have seen many hatchet jobs written o f people for no fault of their and it is nto my objective to start a correction project. Those already exist. I try to correct what I can and feel comfortable about. And when u start saying that it is a fact that I have COI, I feel extremely and too bad as an editor. You might have the time to edit every page on Wikipedia. I don’t. And you simply can NOT accuse an editor of hving COI as a fact. Last warning from me. Take it to COI noticeboard or I take you to an administrative noticeboard. 2. I have read Peter Drucker. I have also read Sumantra Ghousal. You should too. It includes management guru in the lead. Any ways my and your debate on “OTHERSTUFFEXISTS” does not work here. So I don’t agree with your personal point of view that you need to shift management guru just because Peter drucker doesn’t have it. You wont to include “management consultant” in the lead, then include it along with the current statement BUT “with a citation that qualifies on BLP” and not just blindly without a citation. You hve been adding claims without citations two times before in a BLP. So don’t do that without citation. I have no problems with you including the term. Is that a compromise you accept? 3. I am thankful you are finally talking about sources and links than just deleting stufff. Just by saying that ‘’you’’ think a source is an opinion or a promotional feature doesn not make it so. I have read WP:RELIABLE SOURCES too many times and understand it quite good. For example:
You are now saying that this is the Entertainment blog of Times of India. How did it become that???? It is not the blog but the “News and Interviews” section. Blogs are clearly linked separately in Times of India.
Any way, I’m soo surprised that when there’s an editorial, you’ll say it is not a news item. When it is a news item, you’ll say it is not an editorial. When it’s a national award winning newspaper, you’ll say it is a blog. When it is a staff reporter writing, you’ll say that is also a blog. When it is reliable source, you’ll say management guru is an opinion. When a news item comes in the news and interviews section, you’ll say it’s a blog. What is going on with you? Clearly mistaken you are. Have you even tried to search for sources? I am working and working to reply to you just because you have such mistaken views. I have not given you sources from Mid Day [24] which are chaudhuri’s editorials. Of course to be fair even the newspaper in his description again says he is a “management guru”. And even this editorial image description in DNA [25] describes him as a management guru.
And guess what again and again? You have provided NOT ONE RELIABLE SOURCE to support your “management consultant” claim. Not one!!! And you expect me to be the one to explain our BLP policies to you???
And please don’t ever threaten me with your accusations of COI. In fact you will have to delete these accusations from this page completely. I consider this a pure personal attack and I am going to report you to the noticeboards if you do not remove this personal attack and every line where you have tried to humiliate me. Do you see me humiliating you on any thing like that? No you do not. So remoeve them immediately please..Suraj845 (talk) 07:44, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
Dear Lynch7. Thanks for giving your response. I feel you have misread the situation totally. It is sad since I see your comments are directed towards me than at the party that made the repeated personal attacks. I have read the NPA policy many times before and know it quite well. I quote:"Derogatory comments about another contributor may be removed by any editor." Don't you think accusing an editor repeatedly of having COI is a personal attack? Don't you think that my suggestion that he should remove this attack and take the issue to COIN is the correct way? Will you please remove the COI accusations Telco makes at me?
Let me show you the sequence of events so you do not misread the situation. Please read the sequence properly so that there is no confusion in your mind and you do not presume anybody's innocence or guilt.
1. On 17 January 2010, I reverted Telco's addition the first time (see link [26]) with the following summary of edit "Please don't add uncited claims, Please don't delete high quality citations, undoing previous edits". Lynch7, do you see any personal attack from me here?
2. Subsequently, on 17 January 2010, Telco reverted my changes (see link [27]) with the following summary of edit Suraj, going by your recent contributions, you clearly have a conflict of interest with this article. ... Lynch 7, I am quite clear that nobody on Wikipedia is allowed to write such statements against other editors. And mind you, all this is without any previous communication from me against him.
3. At around this time again, Telco left this additional message on this talk page I agree with you, Rsrikanth. Suraj845 has a conflict of interest with this article. Some action is needed Lynch7, again this is even before I have had any direct communication with him..
4. On January 19, 2012, I reverted Telco [28] with no edit summary.Do you see any personal attack Lynch7?
5. On the same day, I left a long message here on this talk page warning Telco of accusing me. Do please go through the message and point out which line in my message above do you think is a personal attack? Of course the tone of my message would be angry - won't it be? If someone were to accuse you - how would you feel. If you see any personal attack in my reply above, write it out here and I would immediately change it. But would you then be open to admonishing Telco, whose statements you've very strangely ignored till now?
6. I can't understand how examples of film stars like Shahrukh and Rajnikanth apply in a management article! Strangely, even the term superstar is mentioned in the lead of Rajnikanth's article. In the same way as the term management guru is mentioned in the lead of Sumantra Ghoshal. So I don't think your argument of otherstuffexists might work here. But I do understand your point of view that management guru is not a profession. Yet it is also not equivalent to statements like "Superstar" or "King of Bollywood" which are quite opinionated. Management guru is a neutral description akin to management philosopher or management theorist. Akin, not equal - hence validation is extremely important. To understand what a management guru actually is, I have found Charles Handy's defintion quite good. You could also go through Charles Handy's "The Handy's Guide to the Gurus of Management" to understand what the term management guru actually means.
7. You must have seen by the diffs how the term 'management guru' was removed first by Telco unilaterally and replaced by a term that was uncited. You must also have seen how he first claimed sources were wrong, and then when sources were provided, he discredited them too, and then when more sources were provided, he again has undertaken unilateral changes. I am clear that this is not the way to undertake a BRD in Wikipedia especially when discussions are going on. Anyway, I shall revert some of his changes, not all, and explain to him.
8. For example, the National Award for Best Film is always given to the Producer and the Director. The awardees of the national award are humans not films. The link clarifies this under the awardee section. Also that being a member of the consultative committee of the Planning Commission belongs in the lead not just below in the article. Any way now, what do you suggest I should do? I am awaiting your reply with respect to all of my above points and I shall really look forward to seeing whether you weigh this issue neutrally. Thanks.Suraj845 (talk) 11:59, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
I strongly protest that Telco has never been told once directly about this wrong view of NPA. I also think cutting out Management Guru in a separate sentence if not right, but I will not revert. But I am disappointed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suraj845 (talk • contribs) 03:29, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
According to a NYT article, this chap has a <comments redacted> - See [29]. See page 79/80 of this book as well [30]. Shouldnt this be included in the article? Around The Globeसत्यमेव जयते 10:17, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
With respect to the Sunday Guardian source, please feel free to escalate the Sunday Guardian source to BLPN in case you feel it is a reliable news source than a view listed under their view-askew section. There are many blogs too which run quite believable reports that read like news reports. Unfortunately, if they're listed as blogs, or if reports are listed as opinions or in sections listed as view-askew, it is quite reasonable to look beyond for news reports that are listed under credible sections.
The IBN source does mention the Silchar information. Unfortunately, the claim that an injunction was passed is purely mentioned within the primary and coi quote. As an answer to your query on coi, yes, every party that would have a litigation going on with an article's subject or close entities would have a coi in reporting. However much one might believe that Delhi Press or the likes are respectable, their having an active litigation makes them involved and incapable of releasing an uninvolved quote or publication. One simply cannot use statements or material released from them in a BLP.
I'm pleased that you've done some legwork to churn up the sources. I've given my comments against each sources in small letters and italics. Please note: Opinions, Blogs, Book reviews, which you've listed are completely unacceptable within this BLP; especially when we're referring to an exceptional and a controversial claim. Look, some of the opinions/book reviews you've listed talk about IIPM or Chaudhuri as being "extremely successful" or having a "formidable business empire". Citing such poor sources is clearly not the right way to add material to a BLP about a controversial topic of a court case. Sources have to be impeccable and devoid of the unacceptable primary/opinion and coi tag. At the same time, there are I believe three sources where parts of the material can be used (Ahd Mirror, IBN, Indian Express source's first paragraph). Taking into consideration those, I've placed the addition within the BLP considering UNDUE. Thanks. Wifione Message 15:48, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
First off, many thanks to Telco for that comprehensive list - I was trying to do something similar myself, but you beat me to it :) Also thanks to Wifione for sticking through this. I understand Wifione's point that we have to be extremely careful with sources for BLP. I'm fairly ok with the compromise article we have now (maybe a line more from the LiveMint source will do), but I do have a couple of concerns.
Cheers, SPat talk 00:44, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
A number of claims are to be supported by WP:RS. The reference section is sporting a number of primary sources. Will remove the primary sources and will add ((cn)) template to the lines required. Please do not remove the template without adding reliable sources. Wikieditindia (talk) 04:57, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
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First paragraph last line which says he's often referred to as "Management Guru" is wrong. No one refers him with that. He's a self proclaimed "Management Guru". He's referred to as "Self proclaimed management guru"
Namit143143 (talk) 16:43, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
Not done: The current three sources all refer to him as a management guru, not as a self-proclaimed management guru. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 19:41, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
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The page does not have correct information. Arindam Chaudhuri's education is not known. He cannot be called as an 'economist' or a 'management guru'. Request the moderators to check and verify every bit of information on the page. Wikistry 08:56, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
Even though the URL-blocking controversy is primarily about IIPM, Chaudhuri himself is also heavily involved in it. This is clear from the fact that almost all secondary sources provided as citations refer to Chaudhuri's role in this controversy. Chaudhuri himself has defended his actions and been a public figure defending his actions. So I feel that adding this info to this article is justified. If anyone disagrees, please discuss. Thanks. Aurorion (talk) 12:04, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Should it be pointed out that all the ex-parte injunctions that arindam chaudhuri gets against various blogs, magazines and articles, are from the same court - Silcher in Assam. Incedentally neither does IIPM, nor chaudhary nor any of the respoondents have any other connection to this district. Info gathered at http://ibnlive.in.com/news/iipm-sues-caravan-google-penguin-for-rs-50-cr/162032-3.html Tca achintya (talk) 09:15, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
User:AroundTheGlobe offered some good sources that seem to have gone unused.
I wonder how much good content was created but removed (e.g. by the banned users now noted at the top of this page).
E.g. this book excerpt is and hints at more good detailed RS info:
That splendid first chapter, titled “The Great Gatsby,” profiles the most Fitzgeraldian of Deb’s figures. Arindam Chaudhuri is hard to miss in India: He appears, in regrettable suits and a glossy ponytail, in large newspaper advertisements nearly every day, hawking the top-notch M.B.A. degrees his management institutes claim to dispense. Chaudhuri’s advertisements suggest snake-oil patter, so Deb patiently seeks to reveal the man within the salesman. Chaudhuri is, we find, startlingly insecure, so unsure of his place in modern India that he trusts no one and is driven by “this Manichaean idea of people divided into the loyal and the disloyal, of Arindam at odds with the rest of the world.”
User:Aurorion's points re. NPOV still hold. We can ignore Wifione's strongarm claim noted by User:SPat that "articles in New York Times, New Yorker, Guardian, etc" are not usable. I wonder: do the large newspaper advertisements still run nearly every day?--Elvey(t•c) 00:03, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
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Birth Place of Arindam Chaudhuri mentioned in this article is an abuse in Hindi Languange. It needs to corrected or removed. Rahul27july (talk) 06:22, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
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I was a visiting faculty of IIPM between 2008 and 2014 at its Chennai Centre. IIPM has already been told by the courts of India not to conduct any programs with the title of MBA or BBA. IIPM doesn't exist. Why is Mr. Arindam Choudhury's introduction show him as heading IIPM? He owes faculty like me several lakhs worth honorarium for the work we already did for his institute and he has escaped from paying all of us and thus cheated tens of faculty all over India. He is a good example of a person who successfully marketed himself as an "economist" and "management guru" when the only economics degree he has, as I understand, is a BA (economics) through distance learning from Madras University (this should be verified) and the only management qualification is the PGDPM from his own institute IIPM which is not recognised by anyone. I don't mean to say that you can be an economist or a management guru only with degrees in these subjects; but, the least we expect from someone who deserves to be called a "guru" is honesty and integrity (more than knowledge of subjects). Arindam Choudhury did not have either honesty or integrity. The Wiki page should reflect him as someone who cheated thousands of students and faculty in India. Many police complaints were filed against him by students, and I know, a legal notice too was sent by some faculty from Chennai; his Deans in different states in India had to go to police stations in connection with the complaints filed by students; however, his patronage, with powers that be, helped him ignore all of those complaints and notices. An attempt was also made by some faculty to mobilise faculty all over India to see if we could file a consolidated police complaint for cheating; however, faculty were mute, as is to be expected from highly educated people, who wanted to carry on and not get into a long-drawn legal battle. I had personally sent a complaint to the PMO and the HRD Minister but got no response. I have records (from IIPM, Chennai) of all the classes I conducted, students' attendance sheets, etc. When I approached my lawyer, to send a legal notice to claim my dues, my lawyer spoke of procedures that I thought was very difficult both financially and physically for me to undertake alone. If there's any lawyer with a social commitment, I would still welcome such a person to help us get back our dues. Arindam Choudhury is NOT a person who deserves a Wiki page; however, I am not for removing this page, because people should know him as one among the many charlatans who cheated in the name of Education which is so highly valued in our society. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ProfEash (talk • contribs) 10:31, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
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This article is complete WHITEWASHING of a CRIMINAL claiming him to be thinktank of some organization that doesn't even exist. The source for his making movies that won some awards is also fake as the user @Wifione who was expelled by ArbCom not too long. FalconXFalcon (talk) 13:58, 27 October 2021 (UTC)