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People, people! Please sign and date your posts using four tildes(Davidbober 23:38, 26 August 2006 (UTC)).
Who changed the figures from representing the Baltimore metropolitan area to the Baltimore-Washington consolidated metropolitan areas? This is an article about Baltimore; not about the Baltimore-Washington consolidated metropolitan area. The figures showing the Baltimore-Washington metropolitan area having a population of 7.6 million belong in the article about the “Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area,” not in an article about Baltimore. Someone please correct this data to show the Baltimore metropolitan area to have a population of approx. 2.5 million. Fairfax County and its population has absolutely no relevance in an article about Baltimore.
As of 2005, the population was 641,943, up from 636,251 in 2004.
What is the source of this claim? I can't find it anywhere.
Here is a source.
Baltimore isn't even in the top 25 anymore - someone should edit the 200(7) date... being ranked 12th is a 2006 stat
The latest (13th Edition) of the Crime City Rankings came out, and Baltimore is now 12th. Since this article mentions Baltimore being 2nd (in the 12th Edition) it should be updated. City Rankings - 13th Edition Andywebs 21:14, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
In the discussion on crime, the body is very political and talks in a very negative tone about the current mayor, who is running for governor. It is unnessisary.
Negative tone may be a difficulty for a political candidate, but it does not violate NPV provided it is reasonably documented. The question to address is "Is the information fairly factual and informative, or is it mere opinion ?" The hardest facts on this subject will be the ones released by the Mayor's office, which is hardly neutral.
Regarding the assertion that "Though the crime situation in Baltimore is considered one of the worst in the nation, city officials have pointed out that most violent crimes, particularly murders, are committed by people who know their victims and who are often associated with the illegal drug trade. [7]"
how could this be so? The City of Baltimore has a murder clearance rate of only about 33% as of the citation date. It has no idea who committed the majority of murders. This red-herring ought to be removed until the factual basis can be established.
This is somewhat trivial, but could someone please add something in the geography section about the shape of the city? How did it come to be a half-square? Is there a story similar to that of the formation of Washington, DC that might be interesting to note? -Laikalynx 16:40, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Why does your profile of Baltimore, MD not show the following Colleges and Universities located in Baltimore?
Loyola College, Coppin State College, The University of Baltimore, Baltimore City Community College, Towson University (nearby), University of Maryland Baltimore County, The University of Maryland Professional Schools of
Social Work, Law, Dentistry, Medicine
The omission is clearly an oversight and does the city an injustice!
Jerry A. Stanley, MBA, CPA, MSF
The Baltimore Blast are not defunct, as of January 2004. Also, the Baltimore Thunder (indoor lacrosse) are an active professional athletic team.
Sean Gallagher
Need a red dot map the city. Done
The Thunder have been defunct for years now actually.
"The worst area in terms of crime is the near west side." I'm not familiar with Baltimore but I am aware of that the East side is considered blighted. Can someone who knows the area improve the precision or accuracy of that line? lots of issues | leave me a message 06:56, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
West side is definitly the worst side. But until someone finds some crime data on the city and it's various areas, I think this should be left out of the article because it reeks of bias Dominic 17:38, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Both East and West Baltimore have blighted areas with extremely high incidences of criminal activities. However, generally, the west side is purported to have more of these areas. However, this doesn't seem particularly pertinent and evidence is sometimes largely anecdotal. Crime reports available at http://www.bosconet.org/pjohnson/blog/index.php/2006/07/12/visualizing-murder-ink/ list murders in a map form. There is a higher prevalence of murders occurring in the Western half. Particularly murder laden is the area from the North Avenue/ Coppin Heights neighborhoods to Pratt St and Wilkens Blvd, considered southwestern and verging on southern Baltimore. If someone determines this as being relevant to the article feel free to edit accordingly. However, as mentioned above, this does seem to evince a bias.
Secondly, the description of the DVD "Stop Snitchin" as to promote violence against any citizen of Baltimore is highly inaccurate. If one actually watches the DVD in its entirety (a dull and arduous task), there are no general threats to the citizenry of Baltimore, rather a call to fellow dealers to adhere to a street based code of ethics which honors not becoming an informant against those like yourself.
158.103.0.1 20:49, 21 August 2006 (UTC)Dee
I would like some input on the format of the city infobox. Many city pages are using a slightly new format of the infobox, one that includes the city skyline image inside of the infobox. The reasons for this are that mainly, it makes the infobox (and the page) look better, and more professional. The previous infobox format does not have city skyline included within the box itself, yet it is becoming very popular on city pages for a skyline image to appear at the top of the page. This causes the skyline image to be at the top right, with the infobox below it, in may cases with a different width for both the image as well as the infobox. I also think it looks a bit awkward to have the heading, Baltimore, Maryland appear at the top of the infobox, but not at the top of the page. Additionally, some pages that have more text in the opening paragraph statement, include text overflowing between the skyline image and the infobox, which I think looks poor (see Orlando, Florida for an example of this - though this also depends on the width of the monitor, which may be variable among users - still, it's bad form).
I propose the infobox pictured at the right, which includes the skyline at the top of the box, inside. This is currently being used on many pages, including Washington, D.C., Chicago, Illinois, Los Angeles, California, among others). In fact, the LA page had a discussion on their talk page that favored this infobox 3:1 over the old format.
I would like some more input on this format. I attempted to change it previously, yet Boothy443 seems to be engaging in an edit war over this with little opinion, other than that it looks ugly. Dr. Cash 03:31, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
I have no opinion about the format, but the data should be corrected to show the population of the Baltimore metropolitan area instead of the consolidated Baltimore-Washington metropolitan areas. Previously, this data was correct.
OK, enough. I'm a mediator. This is the stupidest edit war I have seen in my entire time on Wikipedia. This is climate, it shouldn't be something that is arbitrary, but it's turning out to be. Both of you have decided you want to keep changing the averages based on your own information, and you've both brought up all these websites to prove your points. I think all three of us agree about having specific averages, and the addition of a chart was a good idea.
So, as an outsider, I have to say that after reading this article, let's consider the purpose. This article is likely going to be read by someone who is interested in Baltimore. Maybe they are going there for a convention or something, maybe they're going to school there, and maybe they are going to travel there for whatever reason. They are probably not going to spend all their time at the airport, they'll probably stay in the city at a hotel and eat, sleep, club, whatever in the city.
OK, so I understand the NWS might not keep track of humidity, precip, blah blah blah at the inner harbor station. Then we can put the precip, humidity and whatever into the article using the BWI info. Science tells us the simplest answer is often the right answer, and it seems to me that the simplest answer here is that the temperatures taken at the inner harbor more closely reflect the part of Baltimore that people are interested in seeing when they visit. You know, the city part. Not the airport part.
If the temperature in the city of Baltimore wasn't important to the NWS, then they wouldn't have a weather monitoring station there at all. However, I understand that not all of the climate data kept at the airport is kept at the Inner Harbor station, but some is, and it is more appropriate for this article because the city is what this is about.
However, I think we need to add to the article that the temperatures in the chart were taken at the inner harbor, and maybe include some kind of mention that temperatures are lower outside of the city and away from the water, whatever. I'm just trying to reach some kind of consensus here before this article is locked down and no one can edit it. We should provide as much information from the city itself, but when none is available, we can and should use information from the next best available source: the BWI airport.
Two comments; -I've lived in Baltimore City and just outside of it. It reaches 100 degrees 1 or 2 times a year. If we are going to mention in a BALTIMORE article the KANSAS Is occasionaly over 100, then obviously we should mention that it occurs in Baltimore. The typical extremes, aside from records, should be mentioned.
-It says in the article that Baltimore rarely has temps below 10 or above 95. 10 degrees is much rarer then a 96-100 degree day. --The General 01:20, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
-In 21 years living in the city of Baltimore, it got above 95° at least once or twice every summer. Temperatures below 10° in the city are a once every 6-7 year occurrence. The AHS acknowledged this when they assigned Baltimore City as a part of USDA Zone 8, which has minimum winter extreme lows above 10° on average. Baltimore's is around 12°F.
-Baltimore dropped below 10 degrees in 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2005. These single digit temperatures are not as rare as you think. It's just that winter 2006 was very mild. Last time it was 100 was July 4, 2002. 68.33.19.47 04:52, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
-The following disputes your data--The General 21:12, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
-I Found some info.
Go here: [1].
Under Product, click Preliminary Climatology Data, which is the past records for each day, grouyped in months.
Under Location, click on MD Science Center (this is the only place in the city of Baltimore where the NWS takes continuous records.)
Then under Timeframe click Archived Data. You can pick each month of each year going back to 2001, and then click "go", and it will show you three columns on your extreme left: DY (day), MAX (the days high temp), and MIN (the day's low temp).
So here is what the tables show for Baltimore City:
During the winter of 2001-2002, the lowest recorded temperature was 22°F, on Jan 1 & 2, 2002.
During the winter of 2002-2003, the lowest recorded temperature was 11°F, on Jan. 18th, 2003.
During the winter of 2003-2004, the lowest recorded temperature was 07°F, on Jan. 10th, 2004.
During the winter of 2004-2005, the lowest recorded temperature was 10°F, on Jan. 29th, 2005.
During the winter of 2005-2006, the lowest recorded temperature was 15°F, on Feb. 19th, 2006.
So yes, Baltimore had a freakishly warm winter in 2001-2002, and a colder-than-average one in 2003-2004. I did check, and yes, the last time it cracked the century mark in Baltimore was the 4th of July, 2002. But it also only got into the single digits ONCE in the past 5 years, and that was only a bit below 10°. If you AVERAGE these 5, the average winter minimum for the last 5 yrs in Baltimore City is 13°F. The unusually cold winters of the mid 1980s knock the average down into the 12° range, but this is why AHS and Arbor Day have given the CITY of Baltimore a Zone 8 rating.
And I think once every 5 years certainly qualifies as a RARE occurence.
--User:Strongbad1982 02:53, 12 May 2006 (CST)
This has been re-hashed and re-hashed and re-hashed. The consensus of Wikipedia is that the article is on the CITY of Baltimore and not the Baltimore metro AREA, which is another article altogether. Therefore, the moderator has asked me to present climate data from a NWS location in the city proper when possible, and only use stats from another location when necessary. Everyone involed accepted this, so that is how the article will stay. In the CITY OF BALTIMORE, it has gotten below 10 once in the past 5 years. The fact still stands.
--User:Strongbad1982 10:04, 13 May 2006 (CST)
Any objection if I rewrite this section to be a straightforward description? As it stands, it seems to be a defense from some imaginary claim that Baltimore has an extreme climate. I would like to remove the comparisons to Kansas City -- uttely irrelevant. Let's just describe the facts, is that ok? kdogg36 00:18, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
I took the liberty of locating a Köppen climate classification map, which does NOT say that Baltimore has a "temperate" or a "coastal" climate. A marine westcoast temperate climate is Cfb, and this map clearly shows Baltimore and the Chesapeake Bay area to be Humid Subtropical, or Cfa. Whoever keeps saying that Baltimore has a CfB climate, the facts point out otherwise.
Here is the Köppen climate map of the world:[2]
Here is another Koppen map of the world which is easier to see. It classifies Baltimore as Humid temperate. [3] Faz90 18:42, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
C climates as a group are called temperate/mesothermal climates, and Cfa is called a humid subtropical. "Temperate" is a broad term that includes all "C" climates (including the unrelated Mediterranian climate, Csa, Csb.) "Cf" climates are the "humid subtropical" group. The C denotes the temperature, and f denotes a "forested" climate (year round even precip) as opposed to an "s" (summer dry) or a "w" (winter dry) climate, and a is the first level of this (Cfb having cooler summer temps.) The Wikipedia article on the climate zones explains this petty well, and identifies Cfa as "humid subtropical" [4]. It's probably wise to keep the label in the article as "humid subtropical" and be specific than call it "temperate" and confuse readers (because Baltimore definetly doesn't have a Mediterranian Csa climate or a Marine West Coast Cfb climate!)
That city is cold. I'm sorry, I just can't take it. Baltimore winters are not for me. I basically don't want to be anywhere above the Mason-Dixon River between December and March.
I'm also sorry to break it to you that the annual average low for Baltimore is 52°F. The Köppen climate classification system states that humid subtropical climates (Cfa specifically) apply to areas that have an annual average low above 50°F and have less than .5in variance monthly in precipitation. Baltimore City fits well within both of these, see the discussion above. Whether or not you "feel" cold has nothing to do with this article. And if you think Baltimore (where I happened to spend the first 21 years of my life) is cold, spend a winter in Denver (where I live now). No comparison, it gets WAY colder in a lot of the country and Baltimore.
Yeah, you can talk about "Koppen climate average this" and "theoretical study that," but Baltimore is frigid. The last winter I was there ('03) we got four feet of snow and the B&O Railroad Museum actually collapsed. I am done with Maryland winters, period.
I moved to the Deep South in 2004, and I am not going back.
Oh, and by Mason-Dixon River I meant the Potomac.
The tone of this article makes it read like a travel brochure. Also, the section about the mayor does not seem objective either. --JetPackRocketBaby 05:49, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
First, I'm not sure this is that important, or belongs in such a prominent spot.
Second, I would dispute the statement outright. If one includes the adjacent Northern Liberties, Southwark and Spring Garden districts to Philadelphia's population, it clearly beats Baltimore to 100,000. These districts were adjacent to the original Phila platting, and were quickly "swallowed up" by the city proper.
I could find no equivalent places (Fells Point?) for Balt listed in the historic census figures to possibly boost Baltimore's pop figures, so based on what people probably thought of as "phila" back then, I would change it.
But going by official US Census, it is correct! (we Philadelphias just can't let Baltimore get a leg up!)Redneb 18:22, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
It would make me happy if someone would write something about the prevalence of row houses in Baltimore under "Culture". As I understand it, a large part of the culture was shaped by the row house and the "stoop" and socializing while cleaning the front steps. Loodog 17:21, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Mencken's former house at 1524 Hollins Street is a rowhouse. Source About the H.L. Mencken House Davidbober 02:13, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Some mention of prevalance of formstone on row houses (and now it's removal) would need to be added too. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.251.163.194 (talk • contribs) .
Also something about painted screens. Or perhaps something about being the City of Neighbhorhoods - which is why john waters movies are all filmed in baltimore, in attempt to caricaturize each eighborhood's personality.
I was wondering whether the recent changes from City to Poly were some rivalry/edit war heating up, or whether we've long had some incorrect info here, or whether we're just seeing a change from one claim to another based on someone else's nth-hand info. So for the record, it appears HLMencken did indeed go to Poly.[6] DMacks 02:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Is Baltimore really called "Crane City, U.S.A."? I've never heard anyone call it that.
Nobody has mention Baltimore's popular Club Music. It's an art native to baltimore, that should definitly be researched added in Culture.
club music? No. Baltimore club music, most definately, and as of the summer of 2006, is considered slated to become the biggest thing in the youth music scene in New York, London, Amersterdam and Berlin. there should definately be something on this included in the article.
Would anybody object to the removal of the section on baltimore hosting the miss usa pageant in the years 2005 and 2006? This seems insignifigant to the extreme and its inclusion in this article is actually a tad bit embarrassing.
this may be factual, but is completely insignifigant. shall we list every convention that occurs in baltimore every year? hosting the miss USA pageant is not embarassing; its inclusion in this article is embarassing. it has no place in this article.
Baltimore also hosted the Miss USA pageant in 1969 at what was then called the Civic Center. 68.100.9.211 04:11, 17 January 2007 (UTC) UD101
I deleted the following:
"A recent newscast e-survey found that over 75% of respondents did not feel safe in a Baltimore which is not improving. [7]"
because e-surveys are not at all scientific, and this contributes to a biased presentation of crime in the city.
(Anonymous, 20:52, 31 August 2006 (UTC))
(Zms676 15:42, 1 September 2006 (UTC))
There is an inconsistency wrt the population in 2005. In the infobox, I read:
Population
City (2005) 635,815
But in the text at the top of the article, it is written "As of 2005, the population was 641,943 [...]"
Moreover, in Section 6 (Demographics), it is written:
while the text at the top reads "[...] but higher than the century-long low of 636,251 in 2000." The same number is found in Section 1 (History). But in Sect.1, the 1950 value is consistent with the table of Sect.6. However, no reference is given in Sect.1 and intro to the figures of 2000, 2004 and 2005. I found the number 636,251 in a webpage (Maryland Data Sort By Regional Council), but it is associated to the date 2004. According to this document, 636,251 is a "2004 ESTIMATE". This website says that 636,251 is the population in 2005. SkyscraperPage.com provides the number 636,251 as the current population of Baltimore. Several other websites use the number 636,251 as an indicator of current population, but it is sometimes written "estimated population in 2004". The conclusion of my research is: 636,251 is definitely not the population of 2000. Moreoer, the figures of Sect.1 and intro are based on estimations rather than sensus. Additionally, the population tends to decrease since sixties and it has not "bottommed out" in 2000.
In this article, the figures from the table of Sect.6 are consistently used in the text of Sect.6. These particular figures correspond to those found in the Top 50 Cities in the U.S. by Population and Rank, which reproduces figures from U.S. Census Bureau. In my opinion, these values are more reliable than those of Sect.1 and intro. --Earendel 13:53, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
still lives in baltimore
hon racist?! “Some Baltimoreans believe that "Hon" has racist origins..” this seem to me to be, at best, an example of original research, and at worst, an outlandish claim. If a verifiable citation cannot be provided, this should be removed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.248.8.190 (talk)
Additional comments :
In light of such a body of work to do, I cannot pass this article. Please feel free to contact me to have more insights, comments or to discuss certain aspects. Come back to GAC when the article is improved. Lincher 01:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
There is a survey in progress at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements) to determine if there is consensus on a proposed change to the U.S. city naming conventions to be consistent with other countries, in particular Canada.
This is confusing. Why not give a date? All three are Democrats; a Republican has not represented a significant portion of Baltimore since Robert L. Ehrlich, Jr. stepped down from the 2nd Congressional District seat to run for governor — a position he won by defeating Kathleen Kennedy Townsend. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 131.107.0.73 (talk)
NPOV Issue: "One of Baltimore's greatest moments occurred..." Tagged "History" section. Apollosfire 19:24, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
I’m glad to see the culture information redirected to its own article and paired down to a bare essential within the main article. Unfortunately, the culture section within the main article is now quite incorrect. “some point out that such uniqueness in dialect is found (at least in part) throughout Maryland and that, furthermore, the name of this dialect should reflect this” No, actually. The further away one gets from the city itself, this “dialect” dissipates. There is no such thing as a maryland accent. The accents on the eastern shore, washington suburbs and within the appalachians (geographically and population wise, more than half of the state) are not even related to the accents of the central part of the state (which itself does actually share some elements with the baltimorean accent), and the accent becomes exponentially more prevalent within the city and the working class inlaying suburbs populated by working class population shifts out of the city within the past fifty years. The accent itself is distinctively baltimorean, rather than maryland in general. The accent is not “(at least in part)” found throughout the state. It is found, in part, in areas within in 30 miles of the city proper, with the city itself being the focal point.
It is as though the author of the new culture section had a bone to pick with the notion of the previous wording, and the new writing betrays this. This is no more objective than the previous section, and arguably less correct.
Also, I am unsure as to why Little Italy would be granted a mention in this “paired down” section over all the other distinct districts within the city, other than to mention Nancy Pelosi; which itself doesn’t seem particularly relevant to baltimore’s overall culture to warrant a mention in this two paragraph section. Yes, this is big news this week (01/05/07), but will be quickly forgotten. Also, the mention of “The” Washington Monument, rather than “A” Washington Monument, or “Baltimore’s” Washington Monument could be quite confusing to people more familiar with another Washington Monument forty miles away.
A new culture section, roughly the same size as the present one, should be completely rewritten. 216.133.97.133 05:16, 6 January 2007 (UTC)adam
I actually think a few neutral but interesting summary grafs on the city's culture would be useful on the main page--so I typed in a few myself. Edit away if you don't like them, of course. Based on some of the discussion here, I guess some folks may be uncomfortable with any discussion of the local dialect. I defer to the moderators.
Also, I tried not to make the text read like a tourist brochure. However, it does read pretty "positive." After that huge and rather disturbing (though accurate) section on crime, it seemed like we could use a calmer segue into the actual culture of the city. After all, people really do live pretty happily in Baltimore (including me for most of my life), and it's a pretty attractive town, with affordable housing prices, too...
FYI, I think the separate page on the city's culture is terrific, and the pictures are great! You get a feel for the city that text just can't provide. I didn't touch it, I'm just complimenting it.
I did add a graf in the History section, right after the War of 1812, talking about how the city really became important after the National Road and the B&O Railroad were built.
I also slipped in, right at the top, a little phrase indicating that Baltimore's metro area was not the third largest in the northeast, that it was outpaced by Boston and DC. It seemed the right thing to do after the statement that the "city" was the third largest after NYC and Philly.
This Baltimore page is getting better all the time, and I hope I have not hindered that. Wikipedia is cool.
Jlevy 06:55, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Generall speaking... Is Baltimore an expensive place to live?Debit Card 20:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC) This may be a very stupid question, but im British and planning on spending some time in America..So price is very important. Thanks for any help given. Debit Card 18/01/2007
Does anyone else think that the skyline picture is below-par? You can barely make out the buildings of downtown. Most other city articles on Wikipedia contain downtown skyline views. I have a few pictures I can contribute if there is enough support to change the picture. Irteagle102704 01:37, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I picked that one because I was trying to find ANY picture of Baltimore that is NOT taken from inside the Inner Harbor. The tallest buildings front the water, so all the skyline pictures taken from the south don't show many buildings at all, and Baltimore's skyline looks like a much smaller city. Pictures from behind show all the high rises that are blocked from the south, and you see how many more skyscrapers Baltimore actually has. If someone can find a better picture of Baltimore (preferrably taken from the north, east, NW or NE, that'd be great! I agree the pic is not very clear and could have been taken closer. strongbad1982 10:05, 19 January 2007 (MST)
I've had that problem when trying to find pictures for other reasons, The view from the east, looking west towards downtown, is a decent view, I just can't find an image from that angle that's free-use. Also, I believe that a few pictures taken farther out in the harbor, like near Fell's Point provide a better vantage point of the city. I'll see if I can find a free-use image :) Irteagle102704 18:16, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Somone should get a shot from the symphony center roof, It makes it look like an actual city gradually increasing in building size towards the center.
What is going on with the featured Baltimore photograph?! There was absolutely nothing wrong with the inner harbor shot. Whether or not you think the buildings looked big enough, or whether or not you think the inner harbor is reflective of the “real” baltimore, it is the most recognized view of the city. Thus, it should the featured photograph. “NOT” the back of cars on the highway, be it the JFX, or Northbound I-95, or any other ridiculous shot.
-and I have no idea how to "sign" my comments. If that was really important, wikipedia would not allow unsigned participation in the discussion pages. But if someone would like to go in and spend the time adding my IP address to this discussion, instead of working on making this a better article, have a blast with where your priorities are set. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.133.97.223 (talk • contribs) 05:38, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't know about anyone else, but the picture that is up right now, from the side, is stunning. I love it! Beautiful profile, and it certainly shows off more buildings than the Inner Harbor shot, where the main problem is that all the tallest buildings are directly up against the water, and block all of the buildings behind them, making it look like Baltimore's skyline contains 6-7 large buildings. I vote to keep the current photo: very colorful, and a unique angle. (User:Strongbad1982 10:50, 11 February 2007 (MST))
Very much agreed, strongbad, this was the angle I was originally looking for, but I couldnt find a public domain image from this view. My only problem with the image is that its a little bright, but otherwise, this shot is amazing. Irteagle102704 07:39, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I think this one is pretty unappealing. The other at least showed the harbor, if from a great height. This one is mostly expressway and rooftops... (I'll look around on the Web for a good shot with no copyright problems, but I thought the other one was OK.)
I myself, prefer the other picture from the expressway, It showed the skyline, much better than either of the other two, on neither of which you can see the skyline clearly. Most other city pages on Wikipedia have an image that was not taken from far away from the downtown center. Next time I go to Baltimore though, I will be taking many pics, for the mean time I'm changing it back. Irteagle102704 04:57, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I have a very good skyline picture to add.... The architecture in Baltimore is so beautiful there should be MANY skyline pictures. I can contribute a bunch !
I put up the one from Fayette Street. I took it myself (with the shot tower in the foreground). Now someone has put the one which I had under architecture from atop the Utz building on a cloudy day, which I took myself as well, and made it the main pic. This picture is clearly not as good as the one from Fayette St. I am going to make the Fayette Street shot the main pic again. And whoever called the "Nightlife" article a tourist brochure is an idiot because the nightlife is part of the city culture. Just as the restaurants are part of the city culture. It's not advertising that it is better than anything else it is just information as to where it exists.
Thanks for the good work on the images. I really do like the one from Fayette St. I'll try to take some good ones this summer from my boat, farther down the Patapsco River (what I consider the natural and historic entrance to the city). Just a note--it would be helpful if people signed their comments here. Thanks!--Apostlemep12 22:13, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Baltimore is not the third most populated city on the East Coast, contrary to what this article states. Jacksonville, Florida has a total population of 782,623, while Baltimore's is 641,943. Baltimore is the fourth largest city on the Eastern seaboard after New York, Philadelphia and Jacksonville. I am correcting the error. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.8.100.171 (talk • contribs) 05:21, January 25, 2007 (UTC)
That's right, you correct it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.145.176.180 (talk • contribs) 23:09, February 6, 2007 (UTC)
Hey everybody. I'm the student of Moscow State University (Department of foreign countries), Russia, and i'm on my graduation work at present. This sience work is dedicated to american cities revitalization and redevelopment. Also it is tightly connected with Baltimore. The main target is to learn the ways of revitalization in Baltimore, Oakland, Pittsburgh etc.
So, dear Baltimorers or someone who interests in it, could you please describe me the way of redevelopment in your city? The main point for me is to know all about measurement that were made. When exactly did it begin? What were the steps to revitalize the city? Was the downtown take down and rebuild? Were the citizens settled apart? I'll appreciate very much for any detailed information.
Any kind of information would be very valuable for me! Thank you. Simon Freydlin Freydlins 18:42, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
P.S. Feel free to write me on this theme: boardpizza@mail.ru And please forgive me for my poor english.
I am not taking on another article at the time, but in a quick check I didn't see any reference to the entire "BELIEVE" campaign that is posted on all city vehicles and buildings (and followed by some people having personal bumper stickers with ", hon" appended). — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 17:50, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
I've always been taught that Philadelphia was the largest city until New York became bigger in the early 20th century or thereabouts and that Baltimore more or less followed the lead of Philadelphia in many areas. I think all the population statistics floating around are suspect because I've read many things pre and post Revolution where this is pretty much assumed. My google search for "1830 census" brought me to http://www2.census.gov/prod2/decennial/documents/1830a-01.pdf where this shows Philly to be larger than Balto but smaller than NY. But the main point of the link I show here is that it doesn't really jibe with the 1830 census link of this article (even considering the surrounding county). So I'm somewhat confused by all the population statistics thrown around in this article. Read pretty much anything written before the 20th century that references the population issue and Philly is always assumed to be largest city and the initial destination for most immigrants. There should probably be some blurb to point out the point I make here. --Blake 69.139.238.47 20:18, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
"Baltimore has been a Democratic stronghold for over 150 years, with Democrats dominating every level of government."
This simply is not true. Aside from the obvious Republican mayors we have had over time, during the 1850s the government was strongly dominated by the American or "Know-Nothing" party. The city was overrun and controlled by violent political neighborhood gangs which took complete "responsibility" for managing voting in their wards. It's hard to even call it voter fraud because nothing resembling non-fraud took place. Anyway... someone should help the history on this one. If no one else, I'll see what I can do. --Apostlemep12 13:55, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
One thing outsiders quickly notice is that the locals refer to their city as "Bawlmer" or "Ballmer," dropping with the "t" for the most part.
As a Baltimore native myself, I can attest that this is sort of a myth. While there are people here who say "Bawlmer," the more common pronunciation I hear sounds something like "Baldimer," the "t" hardening into a "d" sound. This has been my personal observation; I can't back it up with research, so I'll refrain from changing the article. marbeh raglaim 22:12, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
It really depends on what part of the city you're in. I'm born and raised in the southeast part of the city (Fells Point/Canton area), and I've heard "Bawlmer" more than enough times. Wildthing61476 16:03, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps, though "Baldimer" does seem to be the norm on the local radio stations. ("98 Rock, Baldimer's rock station"). marbeh raglaim 03:10, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
I say "Baldimer" but im more from the parkville area so i dont no if that can be included or not(ForeverDEAD 13:09, 9 September 2007 (UTC))
What kind of source is sufficient to support inclusion of "Bodymore" as a city nickname? I reverted its most recent addition, leading to commentary by its contributor on my talk page. Let's get some wider consensus here rather than just my private response to him. DMacks 05:47, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of the writer and director John Waters? He has put Baltimore on the map (whether you like his films or not). He deserves at least a mention. User:Alex Davis 17 July 2007 Sorry dont know how to sign and date properly!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.71.224.209 (talk • contribs) 14:23, July 17, 2007 (UTC)
To fill a surprising gap, I have added some very basic information on a couple of the main performing arts groups in the city. Feel free to expand and otherwise fix! --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 21:18, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I have long been aware, somewhere at the back of my mind, that Baltimore has a west-end-of-London-style of land tenure, where many house owners do not own their land but rather have it on long-term (99-year?) leases from a ground landlord. Is there any truth in this? Doops | talk 06:51, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
I have always understood that the City of Baltimore is not in a county. So how can it be a county seat? --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 17:58, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Taken from the text on this same page: "Twenty-three counties and Baltimore City make up the twenty-four main local jurisdictions found in Maryland. Baltimore City, although a municipality, has been considered on a par with county jurisdictions since the adoption of the Maryland Constitution of 1851." →Lwalt ♦ talk 20:00, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I've been watching a lot of Ace of Cake lately & it seems that every episode has a couple of bar/bat-mitzva cakes, I hadn't realized that Baltimore had a large Jewish population. Am I reading too much into a TV show? 24.124.29.130 08:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I've proposed a Baltimore WikiProject over at WPMD, if anyone is interested in helping to create and maintain it, let me know there.-Jeff (talk) 16:01, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
The article should explain where the epithet "Charm City" comes from. Badagnani (talk) 04:05, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
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Can someone please put a new picture up as the main picture. The one that is there currently is not very good. Boston, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and New York have an organized montage of pictures for their profile picture. Maybe someone could do something like that? oldlinestate 06:11, 8 September 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oldlinestate (talk • contribs)
Surely there should be a section about Baltimore's greatest culinary achievement: lake trout. I think this article has been whitewashed, removing all references to lake trout. Lake trout is an important part of Baltimore history and a staple of Baltimore cuisine and commerce. My suspicion is that the Crab Fisherman's Consortium (CFuC) has intentionally altered this article to remove any reference to its only major competitor in the Maryland seafood industry. Can we have a poll on whether lake trout should be in the article's intro? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.27.36 (talk) 16:20, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
76.104.27.36 may be making a joke or even promoting a restaurant in a weirdly roundabout way, but Lonepilgrim007 is flat out lying about Lake Trout. There is more lake trout then crabs in bal'mer. There is more lake trout than aggravated assault. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.138.223.87 (talk) 20:12, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Surely it would be possible to find a better photo of Mayor Sheila Dixon. It looks very little like the Ms Dixon I know162.66.50.4 (talk) 15:47, 3 January 2008 (UTC)PeterB
Is it worthwhile to also note that the name also means "Baltic Sea" in Russian? I am thus casting doubts whether the original name history (Baltimore, County Cork) is correct. Alepik (talk) 01:34, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
OK but a web search doesn't make it clear whether the first Baron Baltimore took his title from some informal placename in County Longford (where he was evidently granted land) or from the seaside village in County Cork (where he evidently had no land). Jack Waugh (talk) 14:07, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I thought it was Lord Baltimore--Lonepilgrim007 (talk) 00:21, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
I question the use of the term 'Baltimore City.' I lived in Baltimore briefly and I have never heard the city referred to as 'Baltimore City.'Deedeebee (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 22:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I have tried to add a Google Earth model of Baltimore City Hall but the "Wiki Police" keep reporting it as spam. Can someone instruct me on how to add this model without it being reported as spam? Should I create a new page specifically about Baltimore City Hall? Can I host the model on Wkipedia somehow so there is not a link back to my website to avoid the spam violation? It is also hosted on the 3D warehouse...should I link it from there? I cant imagine that 3D models are not wanted on Wikipedia.
Baltimore City Hall at Google 3D Warehouse —Preceding unsigned comment added by 3Doogle (talk • contribs) 22:23, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Would be nice to update the further information link so it goes to Baltimore Architecture, rather than Baltimore Neighborhoods - - is there such a page?... (for architecture) --Teda13 (talk) 02:55, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
there is debate on the Baltimore, County Cork page as to whether it is correctly 'baile an' or 'baile na'. an is the definite article, while na is the preposition 'of'. na would seem to me more liokely correct. however, the reference cited is to place names in northern ireland , where cork very definitely is not.Toyokuni3 (talk) 15:15, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi all. I just wanted to let you guys know that I plan on starting a rather significant overhaul of the article to try and get it up to WP:GA standards. I will be taking the following actions:
Please feel free to help make changes, or provide your comments here. If you do plan on helping with the overall. I ask that you please use the Sandbox, and make edits to particular sections only in order to reduce the chances of encountering edit conflicts. Thank you for your help. Best, epicAdam (talk) 21:44, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Can we decide on which nicknames are actually going to remain in the infobox? Of the ones listed, I think "Charm City" is really the only one that is still in use; "Mob Town", "The City of Firsts", "Monument Town" are all rather archaic. "B-more" and "B-town" aren't really nicknames as much as they are abbreviations. As for the mottos, there is typically only one official motto designated by the local legislature. "The Greatest City in America" and "Get On It" aren't mottos as much as they are advertising slogans for tourists. There has to be a decision as to which names are actually listed in this article.
"The City that Reads" was on all the park benches for a while but I don't think it took.
I haven't been there in a year or two but I can't imagine that "mobtown" is no longer in use.69.138.223.87 (talk) 20:18, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
I have also heard Baltimore referred to as Dixie's Tollbooth, as it was the first city below the Mason-Dixon line, and up until about the 1940s, people from the Northeast had to go through Baltimore to get to the South.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.153.115.173 (talk) 00:24, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
The popularity of the TV show "The Wire" has given Baltimore a new nickanme: "The Hole". This is a reference to the show's theme song "Way Down in The Hole", originally performed by Tom Waits. 66.83.115.178 (talk) 14:46, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
You removed a cite and then placed a [citation needed] on a sentence that is convoluted (has several ideas) but that seems neither controversial nor relevant to this article (and if true is surely resolved on the pages of the people linked). What specific item there needs sourcing? DMacks (talk) 00:04, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
i really don't think anne arundel community college belongs in the list. anne arundel county (other than perhaps glen burnie, brooklyn and linthicum) feels every bit as much allegiance (rightly or wrongly) with metro dc. moreover, you don't list aa county as a contiguous suburb. further, if you're going to include aacc, then why not the naval academy and mcdaniel(in carroll county, which borders on baltimore county). maybe even hood. just not part of baltimore. comments?Toyokuni3 (talk) 20:03, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
There is currently a proposal on the table to amend the Wikipedia naming conventions for US cities to follow the AP Stylebook's suggested names. This would effectively move a number of US city articles currently on the list, so Baltimore, Maryland would be moved to Baltimore. To comment on this discussion, please go here. Dr. Cash (talk) 16:47, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
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I have downgraded Baltimore's WikiProject Cities Assessment because the article contains a lot of irrelevant material and requires substantial cleanup, especially in finding citations. I will try to find references for the uncited material in this article wherever possible. However, per Wikipedia:Verifiability, I will go through and purge the article of "pseudo information" for any material I cannot verify. Additional editors' help in finding appropriate references would be much appreciated. Best, epicAdam(talk) 18:10, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Can someone tell me what the island in the mouth of Baltimore harbor is, just south of the I-695 bridge is? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.2.92.82 (talk) 04:06, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Ok. I have watched the small edit war over the climate data, specifically over which source to use. I personally believe that the Weather Channel (and NOAA)'s source for downtown is ridiculous. Just think about it. This is a Mid-Atlantic city located on the Chesapeake Bay, and has an average July high/low of 91/73? That seems ridiculous compared to Washington's more realistic average of 88/70 in July; this is a difference of THREE DEGREES in BOTH the High and Low. Not so sure about the data for the winter temps, which does seem credible right now. Mathpianist93 (talk) 23:34, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Why are white americans spoken about first in the part about the population? It looks odd whites 34% blacks 64%, natives 0.1% etc...is there a logical reason for this? vap (talk) 20:53, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
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Besides the references to the mysterious "some," the paragraph presupposes that everyone in Maryland lives in either the rural areas or Baltimore and its suburbs. We are aware, aren't we, that the county that is now the state's most populous political subdivision is neither? 75.196.85.28 (talk) 20:43, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Can't we get a better picture of the mayor? Say, one that does not involve a missing button on her blouse revealing her BRA? Do not delete this. The picture up at present is disrespectful and someone has to have a better one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.59.249.85 (talk) 05:29, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Look at this You Tube-clip first: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haSywRjAyBg&feature=related
Note: 60.000 junkies out of 600.000 citizens (i.e. 10%) is clearly wrong. No city on earth could have coped with that. But what they mean is probably 60.000 out of 2.7 mill. in the larger Baltimore-area. That over 2% and is still an extremely high number.
While it's always important to focus on the positive things first and foremost, one must never shy away from the truth. And the truth is that Baltimore is having a serious heroin problem. You shouldn't waste an awful lot of space writing about it. But one or two sentences in such a long article, would strangely as it sounds improve it. Help the reader to understand for example why the crime rate is constant high due to a large user population, no matter what the police do. Please don't use dramatic words like "heroin capital of the usa" either, as these things goes up and down other cities could pass Baltimore. I know that this is double standards, but the articles must always of the highest standards. While this is just a discussion page with exchangement of opinions.
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PS. Was a little surprised that heroin wasn't mentioned in connection with The Wire either. The whole TV-series centers around this drug, and NOT crime in general. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.209.100.54 (talk) 00:36, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
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This article does not yet qualify for Good Article ranking. It is well-written and reasonably complete, but there are large sections of the article that are not adequately sourced. While some information may not be particularly controversial, information citing specific facts, especially dates and numbers, should be cited. A glaring example is the Architecture subsection, which is almost completely without citations . In addition, editorial positions are presented without source, for example: "Oriole Park at Camden Yards is considered by many to be the most beautiful baseball park in Major League Baseball". Likewise, the economy section doesn't provide any data on employment figures. It should be fairly easy to find the number of people employed by industry, the city's GDP, unemployment rate, etc.
I would recommend that the government section be consolidated and made into prose. There is a lot more to be said about Baltimore politics, law enforcement and other city agencies can be included here as well as opposed to their own small headings. Likewise, since education and healthcare are now apparently Balitmore's largest industries, more should be said here. GA articles should also try to minimize lists. The sports section can also be condensed and have added citations.
The lead also need a good deal of work to ensure it adequately summarizes the article. As it currently exists, a casual reader would find out from the lead that Baltimore is a medium-sized city in Maryland that used to be an important port and industrial town but now has a shopping mall near the harbor. Certainly, there is more to Baltimore than that. The largest section in this article are the city's neighborhoods and architecture, which aren't even mentioned, nor is much of the city's extensive history, especially its importance in both the Ward of 1812 and the Civil War.
Other issues:
While this fails good article nomination right now, I recognize that User:Folklore1 has made significant improvements to the article over the last month. I encourage editors to take these comments to help improve the article further. Best, epicAdam(talk) 18:50, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
there are a lot of drugs in Baltimore..i was a taxi driver there for 5 years..if it possible to have 10 % of the city strung out they have it..i read an article in the city paper once said it was more like 30Lonepilgrim007 (talk) 05:15, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
I propose to change the night panorama image from File:Bmore-Skyline1.jpg to File:Baltimore Inner Harbor Skyline Night Panorama.jpg --Jovian Eye talk 12:15, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
I propose to remove the information about Baltimore being the "largest independent city in the United States." First off, the claim is not cited to a reliable source. Second, it's a distinction that's both meaningless and misleading, especially to those who are unfamiliar with the structure of local governments. Being the largest of a handful of cities doesn't really convey any information to the user; it's like saying that Pennsylvania is the largest commonwealth in the United States, it may be true but inconsequential. Best, epicAdam(talk) 06:15, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
How else are you supposed to say "to" and "do" other than "tew" and "dew"? I am from Baltimore and i don't understand why they put that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.114.136.73 (talk) 00:33, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
Hi. I'm going through all the US Cities (as per List of United States cities by population) in an effort to provide some uniformity in structure. Anyone have an issue with me restructuring this article as per Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline. I won't be changing any content, merely the order. Occasionally, I will also move a picture just to clean up spacing issues. I've already gone through the top 20 or so on the above list, if you'd like to see how they turned out. Thoughts? Onel5969 (talk) 16:22, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Was Baltimore's Inner Harbor the second leading port of entry for immigrants to the United States? Locust Point is not the INNER harbor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.12.166.171 (talk) 02:36, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Seems quaint to just go up to the 20th Century.William (The Bill) Blackstone (talk) 18:27, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
We who live here cannot let "Death of African American Freddie Gray in police custody led to the 2015 Baltimore Riots" define our city. We need more details about Freddie Gray, and more about the peaceful protesting that has gone on. We cannot let the movement be defined by outsiders. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wwaggawwagga (talk • contribs) 20:12, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Please talk about this with the detail and concern it deserves, including the fact that West Baltimore place are some of the most violent in America. http://data.baltimoresun.com/news/police-settlements/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wwaggawwagga (talk • contribs) 20:22, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Hi. Editor Brlaw8 continues to attempt to add promotional material from cites linked directly to the city, which are highly NPOV. In doing so, the editor has violated the WP:3RR rule. Not every citation is valid, if it is from a non-neutral source, like the city's own website, or a website affiliated with the promotion of the city, than that is not a valid citation. The copy is very promotional, and is simply written to favor the city. Onel5969 (talk) 02:16, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
Hello I am user Brlaw8 I have been using/contributing to Wikipedia for years and today I wanted to report another user Onel5969 for negativism on his or her talk page and as a frequent poster on the Baltimore page I see how he/she dispute Freddie Gray as being significant in the 21st century and list a few insignificant other things of the time just to add a incomplete 21st century historic subsection. Here's a response from Wikipedia on their talk page. "The article is about the city so on the contrary, we actually need to prevent it from becoming dominated by the Freddie Gray." As this poster is someone from Arizona with no connections to the city or state their reason for posting in Baltimore could be to hurt the image of city to the millions that get their first look of Baltimore through Wikipedia not to inform. The reason this post was brought to my attention as a frequent poster in the Baltimore page is when I would edit obsolete information and update it user Onel5969 sent this Hi. Editor Brlaw8 continues to attempt to add promotional material from cites linked directly to the city, which are highly NPOV. In doing so, the editor has violated the WP:3RR rule. Not every citation is valid, if it is from a non-neutral source, like the city's own website, or a website affiliated with the promotion of the city, than that is not a valid citation. The copy is very promotional, and is simply written to favor the city. Onel5969 (talk) 02:16, 17 May 2015 (UTC). By all means I feel the very same way that their posts are very un-promotional of the city. My sources are valid and up to date and even the sources that were not from the city website like the US Berea of labor statistics were constantly deleted and I believe this user is abusing their power. I believe that the Baltimore information I posted were contradictory to 2012 vs 2015 and they became upset. For example, I used my reference from the US Berea that the cities unemployment rate was 8.1% as of March 2015 as opposed to the 11.8% from 2012 and that was deleted. Truth be told you are only going to find the most unbiased detailed information about a city's local economy through local sources, which is what I presented. I even presented non local sources as stated earlier. To me the sword cuts both ways he/she dislike the positives of Baltimore and would rather post negatives from the so called neutral un-credible websites not associated with reports done by the city or state governments on their economies. My whole goal in editing the Economy section of Baltimore was not through favoritism but to have it comparable and more detailed/up to date like other cities represented like Philadelphia, Richmond, Washington DC, Boston, and New York. You can not just have the economy section summarized as a city that went through deindustrialization has a high unemployment with a few companies. You cant have one piece and exclude the other piece and that why I wanted to bring this to your attention. As a result the entire economy section is disjointed with an unlinked link and I'm afraid to edit because it might get deleted by this user. Again every reference listed were the truth and nothing but the truth even if it is positive. I did not make it a goal to delete the whole crime section of Baltimore, and neither would I go out to list all the positives either. I actually believe your whole Freddie Gray riot stance would be appropriate in the crime section. Your response is greatly appreciated with this inquiry. — Preceding Brlaw8 02:54, 19 May 2015 (UTC) comment added by Brlaw8 (talk • contribs)
Here is the citation for the CBRE report http://www.cbre.com/EN/aboutus/MediaCentre/2015/Pages/Top-Tech-Talent-Markets-2015.aspx
Both reports below are neutral sources of Baltimore's downtown employment density in a one mile radius compared to the top 25 largest metros in 2011. Can I use either of these two sources for downtown employment density in comparison to other cities in the nation in 2011?
First study below uses the Version 7 LEHD Origin-Destination Employment Statistics (LODES) data from the 2011 Longitudinal Employer-Household Dynamics (LEHD, LED for short) program, managed by the U.S. Census Bureau. In this report Baltimore primary downtown (Downtown Baltimore, MD) rank #15 in the nation for the top 25 largest metros in a one mile radius in 2011. Total jobs are in numerical order followed by downtown population which is not in numerical order. Some cities are listed twice in Secondary Employment Node including Baltimore's Johns Hopkins Hospital/Univeristy however they are not the primary downtown or commercial district.
If it does not redirect you to page#34 I suggest you start there then look at page#38 http://www.milwaukeedowntown.com/images/content/downloads/Defining_DowntownReport.pdf#page=34
In this report for Baltimore employment in the city center compared to the top 25 largest metros Baltimore is ranked #15 for the same year 2011 If it does not redirect you to the page I suggest start at page#12 http://cityobservatory.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Surging-City-Center-Jobs.pdf#page=12 Brlaw8 (talk) 21:45, 22 May 2015 (UTC) 01:50, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
Moderated discussion of issues with this article is being started at the dispute resolution noticeboard. Any editor here is welcome to participate, either to add comments or to become a party to the discussion. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:04, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
The ground rent and the rowhouse are very much linked in Baltimore City. It made homeownership much more affordable: The buyer paid for the structure only, then a small sum annually for the use of the land. I don't have formal sources, though you can still see ads asking to buy up ground rents in the back pages of the local newspaper. I think it should be included as part of the city's history, and, though not unique, certainly unusual. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.183.2.208 (talk) 07:03, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
This has been discussed before in the talk page...Towson is not it Baltimore it is in Baltimore County..someone please remove it from the article..on a side note somewhere in the article it should say that the county line had been North Avenue historically...it may be there but I haven`t read it yet...it was changed after the Civil War I believe to where it is now which is basically Walker Avenue and York Road. 75.139.90.1 (talk) 06:12, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Was Baltimore ever known as Valdimor? I came across this image which noted Valdimor as the site of the 1831 Anti-Masonic Party convention. For the record, it was [[8]] in Baltimore. A quick Google search revealed no other references. --Ratha K (talk) 23:26, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
I just made a lot of changes in the neighborhood section because it sounded like a tourism ad with some racism mixed in, the vast majority unsourced. I'm happy to answer specific questions if anyone has them PermStrump(talk) 09:11, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
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This might be useful for anyone that is interested in Baltimore & working on its Wiki page, in this case in regards to the pollution section & high levels of lead poisoning in certain areas. JanderVK (talk)
http://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-lead-testing/
It would be useful to include statistics regarding health in Baltimore, for instance, life expectancy, infant mortality, rates of disease for CVD and diabetes, percent of individuals covered by health insurance, etc. This information would prove valuable for those using Wiki to learn about the wellbeing of Baltimore. Resources are available through the Baltimore City Health Department at Baltimorecity.gov.
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