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I think the description for Adam should be revised: "Emotionless in tendency and personality, Adam is originally a loyal operative of the Initiative. After being completed, Adam promptly kills Professor Walsh..." This doesn't make sense - exactly when is he loyal, if he kills his creator as soon as he is able to move?

I'm not sure this list of 'Big Bads' is accurate: aren't the Big Bads the series of people seen in episode 7-01? In which case, the Big Bads would be: The Master, Drusilla, Mayor Richard Wilkins III, Adam, Glory, Warren, The First Evil. Any other list isn't really canonical.--Firsfron 02:35, 16 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The only part I don't agree with on that is that Angel is more the 'Big Bad' of Season Two then Drusilla is.

Spike is also more the S2 big bad than Dru. Also, The real Big Bad of S6 is real life.

I would say Spike and Dru don't really qualify at all; they're only really there to serve as a threat until Angel comes along, after which neither Spike or Dru really give Buffy much trouble. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.17.53.21 (talk) 16:50, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Big bad" is not used in Buffy to refer to the "major recurring adversary". It is used in Buffy fandom to refer to such. In the show itself, it is used mainly by Spike to refer to himself, a play on "big bad wolf". Other characters use it to refer to whatever enemy they are currently facing.

The opening paragraphs certainly don't make a very good case for the phrase appearing in Buffy. The text refers to two occasions where the words 'big' and 'bad' appeared next to each other, but in neither instance was it a reference to a 'big bad' in the sense that fandom understands the phrase, where 'big' is the adjective and 'bad' is the object. "Big bad thing in the dark" doesn't fit the usage, and neither does Buffy's description of a symbol as "not a big bad". 'Big bad' is a recognisable concept, but these aren't examples of it. 99.242.7.29 (talk) 21:37, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To help make this article more sensible, please refer to the instances of 'big bad' in dialogue. Aknyra (talk) 22:57, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just wondering, not crusading. 151.197.27.145 07:27, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The individual season descriptions don't add anything to the article IMO. 4.245.107.157 (talk) 01:43, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It should probably be noted that "Big Bad" probably comes from "Big Bad Evil Guy" (or BBEG) which is used by tabletop gamers in reference to their main antagonist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.157.104.212 (talk) 14:10, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm thinking there was at least one Warner Brothers cartoon, circa 1950s, where a young wolf referred to his "Uncle Big Bad." I believe the use of "Big Bad" as a humorous nickname for the Big Bad Wolf, or other villains, well pre-dates both Buffy and RPG. PurpleChez (talk) 16:56, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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AS was pointed out before this article isn't good enough, i think that the article can continue but more examples of other tv shows should be used and expanded upon, as an article about Buffy it doesn't have a goon enough reason to exist. --Powerful Lord (talk) 21:53, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A few thoughts: 1. "BBEG" redirects here, but is neither explained nor even mentioned. That is bad, especially since I found this page looking for an explanation of that acronym. (Googling shows possible breakdowns to "Big Bad Evil Guy" or "Big Bad End Guy") 2. The term is defined and used repeatedly in the BTVS roleplaying game to explain the narrative structure of both the television series and of storytelling campaigns, and of story arcs in general. It is useful, however, to differentiate between "A" big bad, describing a role's impact during a series/gameplay, and "THE" Big Bad, describing a single role fulfilling this function in a whole season/campaign story arc. You can also define "fake" or "decoy" big bads, which are a mainstay in storytelling in general (practically every mystery or crime series uses them), allowing for a later twist revealing the true big bad. 3. "The" Big Bad in season 2 of BTVS is Angelus. Spike and Drusilla are decoys. Also, in Season 6 it's evil Willow ("Darth Rosenberg"), with the trio being a deliberately not too convincing fake (except Warren). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.186.179.217 (talk) 13:21, 6 April 2013 (UTC) 4. "Big Bad Evil Guy" is probably a better explanation, since the big bad is not necessarily the last opponent. In old James Bond movies, for example, the big bad fight is usually the climax, followed by a steep drop in tension signalling a (fake) happy end, followed by a postclimax endfight with the 2nd biggest bad, and then, finally, the real happy end (or, in at least one case, a tragic end). 77.186.179.217 (talk) 13:32, 6 April 2013 (UTC) Zeromant[reply]

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