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Am still working on this article. Please help improve it or recommend sources! -Darouet (talk) 01:40, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
The intro says that Bill 78 "prohibits freedom of assembly, protest, or picketing," but I think that it would be more objective to say that it "restricts" these activities, as it does further down. Ydgrunite (talk) 02:35, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
Is this section titled appropriately? Only three of eleven sentences mention clashes between police and protesters. It seems to be more like "Early events in the strike." Ydgrunite (talk) 01:30, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
The tuition increase was announced in the March 2011 budget and not in February 2012. See Anatomy of a conflict. Ydgrunite (talk) 01:39, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
Michelle Courchesne could not, as Education Minister, have given an "order that higher education institutions to "to everything in their power" to resume classes" on 11 April since she only got that position on May 14. Line Beauchamp was still the minister in April. There is also a grammatical mistake in the sentence, but I can't correct it since there is no reference to the source. Ydgrunite (talk) 01:45, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
The article says that Bill 78 would "end" the winter semester. I think that "suspend" is more accurate as it is used further down in the Provisions section. Ydgrunite (talk) 02:30, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
Section 14 of Bill 78 says that "any form of gathering" is prohibited within 50 meters of an institution only if it could result in denying access to a building of that institution. Ydgrunite (talk) 01:59, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure that I know what "duration of the venue" means in "unless the dates, times, starting point, and routes of those locations and also the duration of the venue and the means of transportation..." May I recommend a change to "unless the dates, times, venue, starting point and routes, duration and the means of transportation..." Ydgrunite (talk) 02:06, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
Montreal's recent bylaw, by definition, cannot "criminalize" the use of masks in protests. Criminal acts must be listed in the Criminal Code of Canada. A bylaw infraction will get you a fine, but no criminal record. Now Harper's plans for 10 year imprisonment on the other hand... Ydgrunite (talk) 02:23, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
The article says that more than 500,000 people demonstrated on March 22. The source in the link says that it was a crowd of more than 100,000. I don't know if the referenced source was changed after the article was written. Ydgrunite (talk) 02:26, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
Sometimes Bill 78 is called a "bill" and sometimes a "law" in the article. Even though we commonly continue refer to it as "Bill 78" after it received royal assent, we should now only refer to it as a law in the lowercase. It is no longer a bill. Ydgrunite (talk) 02:15, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
There is one reference to "CLASSE" and two to "C.L.A.S.S.E." The organization uses no periods on their own website, so I recommend using that. Also the first reference should include the full name in parantheses (Coalition large de l'association pour une solidarite syndicale etudiante). Ydgrunite (talk) 02:19, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
The article's citation to the "World Socialist Website" claims tuition will rise 75%: http://wsws.org/articles/2012/feb2012/queb-f29.shtml, and an unverified citation claims that amounts to 83% when adjusted for inflation. That's nonsense. Adjusting for inflation will lower the percentage increase, not raise it. Plus, the sentence before suggests a much smaller rise-- from $2,415 to $3,793, according to CTV. $3,793-$2,415=$1,348. $1,348/$2,415 x 100 = 56%, not 75%. Plus, assuming the inflation for 2012-17 matches 2007-12, the percentage is smaller: $2,415 is $2,644 in 2017 dollars, meaning a 43% increase, after adjusting for inflation.
In any case, that citation is wrong, and I'm removing it. 68.148.100.225 (talk) 05:18, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
$2,415 to $3,793 is not a 75% increase, and it's absurd to say so. Calculating a percentage increase isn't "original research", it's arithmetic. If you are adamant about including the 75% figure on the basis of the Reuters article, that's fine, but you have to $2,415 and $3,793 numbers. To leave both in is nuts. UnQuebecois, if you have citations to the numbers you've quoted then put them in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.148.100.225 (talk) 23:05, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
I've removed the CTV numbers, since other users seem intent on keeping the 75% figure. We can't keep both; they don't match.68.148.100.225 (talk) 01:08, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
The term "prohibit" has been replaced by "restrict" in a number of instances, for instance in the introduction, where the article now states that protests, pickets, etc. are restricted unless they receive prior police approval.
This isn't technically correct. The law does not restrict, but actually prohibits pickets and protests on or near university grounds.
The law furthermore does not restrict, but rather prohibits protests and demonstrations that have not been approved by the police.
I'll change these back unless there are objections. -Darouet (talk) 14:31, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
Should this page not be moved to under a new title, since the subject is no longer a bill before the parliament and is now a law of Quebec? --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 19:05, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Arctic gnome has just moved this page, "Bill 78," to "An Act to enable students to receive instruction from the postsecondary institutions they attend." I oppose this for three pretty simple reasons:
I'll move this back shortly, but am happy to discuss first. -Darouet (talk) 16:48, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi Mr Serjeant Buzfuz, thanks for your comments. You make some important points: assuming that there might be another famous "Bill 78" in the future, either in Quebec or elsewhere, this would be confused with that one. I would also support something like what you suggest: Bill 78 (Quebec, 2012). That would nail the common name, the date, and place exactly, and exclude the doublespeak of the official title.
I'm a little surprised that you don't recognize the title to be politically contentious. I assume that if you're commenting on the talk page, you already know that a quarter of a million Canadians protested against tuition hikes in the Spring of 2012, and that 150,000 people were still protesting when the bill was proposed. This Rueters article written a few days after the law was unveiled calls it a "law to quell strikes" and "anti-strike legislation." The Globe and Mail wrote that the government "cracked down on student protests with an emergency law," and elsewhere called it "anti-protest" legislation." An article by CTV news called it "Bill 78, a new law designed to put an end to the three-month long student protests." The head of the Quebec Bar Association called it a violation of "constitutional rights, including freedom of speech and the right to demonstrate peacefully." These are all from center or right media organizations cited in our article: the left is far, far more critical.
Given this, the title An Act to enable students to receive instruction from the postsecondary institutions they attend describes the law in a manner contrary to journalistic and popular understanding. Essentially, the title is written as a defense of its own content, so controversial and unpopular that it was criticized by the United Nations commissioner for Human Rights.
Wikipedia lists two, separate reasons why an official name may be inappropriate. Consider the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which triggered the extraordinary escalation of U.S. intervention in Vietnam. Its official title, "Joint Resolution To promote the maintenance of international peace and security in southeast Asia," is not only unknown, but also a description exactly contrary to the bill's content (Stanley Karnow calls it a "virtual blank check to conduct war").
The long and patently propagandistic title may also explain why the bill is universally known as Bill 78: this title pops up in 670 news articles through a search (alongside the word "Quebec") in LexisNexis Academic, whereas the title you propose, and that given by the bill's authors, pops up 7 times.
Lastly, I appreciate the example you gave regarding Quebec's official language act. That particular title is short and neutrally descriptive. It is, just as importantly, used by 2,225 news articles (again found via LexisNexis), whereas its other name, Bill 22, is used only a quarter as often.
This is a relatively straightforward case of WP:COMMONNAME and WP:POVTITLE. Incorporating Mr Serjeant Buzfuz suggestions, and the opinions of 我不在乎 and MrBoire above opposing the new name, I think we should name the article Bill 78 (Quebec, 2012). -Darouet (talk) 21:35, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) Fuortu (talk) 12:08, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Bill 78 (Quebec, 2012) → Bill 78 – Unnecessary disambiguation, as evidenced by the prefix index. GeoffreyT2000 (talk, contribs) 03:53, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
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