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Hmm... it says in subtext on the edit page that whoever wrote the intro wants it to be b-flat, so that it listed the harmonic minor instead of natural minor. Seeing as this doesn't agree with the picture on the left, and the fact that c minor generally means c Italic textnaturalItalic textminor, I'll go ahead and change it. And would the person who wrote this article (and the f minor article, on that page) please clarify this?71.102.172.40 04:11, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
You're both right. I changed it from b to b-flat. Oh, and I fixed the f minor page too.71.102.172.40 04:07, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
The infobox also contains B instead of Bflat. I will fix this. Jrobinjapan (talk) 02:29, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't have a login account and have never edited wiki but I just wanted to mention something.
The sentence at the top of the article reads "C minor (abbreviated Cm) is a minor scale based on C, consisting of the pitches C, D, E-flat, F, G, A-flat, B and C (harmonic minor scale). Its key signature consists of three flats".
Shouldn't it read "C minor (abbreviated Cm) is a minor scale based on C, consisting of the pitches C, D, E-flat, F, G, A-flat, B-flat and C (harmonic minor scale). Its key signature consists of three flats"?
Note, B-flat is listed as B in the existing sentence giving us only two flats, not the three in the signature.
Since I'm a newbie at this (at editing wiki and at music theory) I'll leave it to the experts to make the change if needed.
The F minor page has this same type of issue so if I'm right whoever edits this might want to look there as well.
The intro list the notes of the harmonic minor scale, while the sidebar lists the natural minor scale. Surely this isn't right? C Minor implies the natural minor scale, the harmonic minor should have it's own page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.70.246.116 (talk) 03:13, 4 January 2007 (UTC).
"B-flat which becomes a B natural in the song because of the raised 7th :)"
There's a grammatical error here -- the clause beginning with "which" should be separated out by commas, parentheses, or dashes. And also, who put a smiley face in an encyclopedia text? No wonder you're not supposed to cite encyclopedia articles...
Also, hypothetically, shouldn't all the articles for the keys have the same form? Some have a graphic of the scale, some just have the key signature, &c. Personally I think they should be standardized. Thoughts? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The Realms of Gold (talk • contribs) 06:36, 22 March 2007 (UTC).
I know it's been changed in the article already, but since it's still in the comments, I thought I'd just add: It's incorrect to say that B natural belongs in the C minor scale. The whole point is that it doesn't -- that minor scales don't have leading tones. Composers are always putting them in because that's how diatonicism works, but check out any composition with a minor tonal area and you'll find the lowered 7th scale degree everywhere. It's part of what makes composing in the minor key so interesting :) At least until Wagner came along, anyway.The Realms of Gold 06:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
31-May-2007: In 2006/2007, Wikipedia images required both attributes "thumb|250px" to show a caption, as in:
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By itself, size "250px" ignores the caption "My picture" (confusing many people), which is considered bad form in computer languages (should warn & be corrected rather than ignore). Just remember to include "thumb" (or "frame") for a caption in an image-link.
Image hints in 2007:
Overall, omitting "thumb" is the most common problem.
There are many formatting issues in the Wiki software (used worldwide), with a long list of problems to fix, but in the software world, errors often persist, only to be upstaged by a totally radical new software version, rather than just fixing the irritating problems fast. Note that numerous software systems (not just Wiki) have frustrating issues for years. -Wikid77 03:47, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Put back the songs you erased!
I'm pretty sure Tragedy's refrain is in B minor, not C minor. The verses sound more like D major with some modulation leading into B minor right before the refrain, but at no point is any version I've ever heard in C minor. Also, the link points to the wrong page (it goes to the page about tragedy as a form of drama, not the song), so if it is left in, the link needs to be changed. PiGuy314 (talk) 04:37, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
I find the placement of the "unsourced" tag on the list of classical pieces to be strange. Isn't verifying what key a piece is in easy to do if you look at the score? It seems to me that the printed score for a given piece of classical music is the source that Wikipedia citation standards require us to cite -- am I right? And if I'm right, then the source is already cited here.
I don't know how easy it is to find sheet music for pop songs, so that list may be different. SparsityProblem (talk) 22:10, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Add these songs if you can find sources for them: Backstabbers--The O'Jays A Fifth of Beethoven--Walter Murphy and the Big Apple Band A Girl Like You--Edwyn Collins Larger Than Life--The Backstreet Boys That Lady--The Isley Brothers. Also, where did anybody find a source that said Tragedy from the Bee Gees was in c minor? It's actually in b minor. 24.158.8.234 (talk) 03:21, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
The svg file of the "Circle of Fifths" is incomplete. In the European musical tonal system the keys are 15: C with no alterations, 7 with flats (b) and 7 with sharps (). the image only gives 13 - this MUST be corrected because it's incomplete. --151.16.140.29 (talk) 23:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
I find this claim dubious, as well as awkwardly phrased: "C minor is one of the lesser used key signatures in all music today and in the past." Source for this? I have added a citation tag for now but am thinking of deleting it. mcoverdale (talk) 16:50, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
In C Major the C4 note corresponds to the 440 Hz tuning frequency. Which note in C Minor does? Also other technical details on e.g. how this maps to MIDI note numbers would be useful but is currently missing from the article. Tronic2 (talk) 00:32, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
@Michael Bednarek: : The Magic Flute begins with three flats, ends with three flats (for all sung parts and most instruments, the few exceptions being some instruments which cannot produce all 12 halftones), and its final sound is a tutti chord on the notes C – E♭ – G i.e. a perfect chord of C minor. (It is common for long musical pieces to transpose out of their tonality and finally come back to it.) For me it is in C minor. — Tonymec (talk) 10:10, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect B-sharp minor. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 31#B-sharp minor until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 12:44, 31 July 2020 (UTC)