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There has been research done via the painting with him in it that suggests very, very strongly that not only did he NOT kill the infant, but that the infant never existed, and was just a story made up to make him look worse. I'd not be surprised it this "father-in-law" business was the same thing, just a false tale made to besmirch him. There is good reason to believe that he did indeed feel guilt and agony from these deaths all his life.
I direct you to another site with Gesualdo information: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~rneckmag/gesualdo.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.50.115.55 (talk • contribs) .
According to Watkins's biography, the murder of the son-in-law is pure hearsay; the quote cited is not verifiably contemporary, but rather from an account written in 1863 by C. Modestino, supposedly based on an original contemporary doc that is now lost. The main reason this tale continues to be circulated seems to be the large winged infant in the painting at S. Maria della Grazie, which some believe to be the murdered child. (As an aside, this article suggests that the painting was commissioned in 1600 after the death of Carlo's second documented child, although Watkins strongly believes the painting was commissioned much earlier - between 1592 and 1594, after which Gesualdo departed for an extended stay in Ferrara. I think this ought to be mentioned/corrected as well.) Epn10 (talk) 22:16, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
It would be greatly useful to find a catalogue with his books of madrigals. Where can we find it? --Leonardo T. de Oliveira 14:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Documentary "Gesualdo - Death for Five Voices" (1995) by Werner Herzog is not mentioned at all. //arl
"...was an Italian music composer, lutenist, nobleman, and murderer of the late Renaissance"
IMO this sounds silly, I'll remove it because the very next sentence mentions the murders anyway, and THEN an entire section. Lethe 11:03, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Does not only sound silly, but false, too. Wikipedia is not a court of law where the entire subject is to be reduced to one deed of his. He was a nobleman alright, a noted composer and lutenist by profession, and we are keeping him in our encyclopedias for the composer part. And that is where his primary identity labels end. The biography then must contain everything else that is important to the composer's life. Anapazapa (talk) 10:45, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Carlo Gesualdo (Venosa, 30 March 1566 – Gesualdo, 8 September 1613), also known as Gesualdo da Venosa (Gesualdo from Venosa), Prince of Venosa and Count of Conza, was an Italian nobleman, lutenist and composer of the late Renaissance era. He is remembered for writing intensely expressive madrigals and sacred music that use a chromatic language not heard again until the late 19th century. He is also known for killing his wife and her lover, with reports he also killed his own son and father-in-law. |
Could anyone please rectify the sentence about his birthdate? Exact data are found in http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlo_Gesualdo (first sentence of "Biografia"). -- Gprini 12:39, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
I question the relevance of this to an article about a musician, but the following website claims that Gesualdo dallied with both sexes. Hmmm. I suppose it is rather interesting when one takes into account how much of the article is devoted to scandal and murder, it does make for even more interesting reading:
http://www.musicweb-international.com/gesualdo.htm
I had no idea how to fit it into the article!
21:59, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
"Gesualdo had arranged with his servants to have the locks of his palace copied in wood so that he could gain entrance if locked." Yes. What does this mean, exactly? How would it help to copy your locks in wood? Should it say 'keys', perhaps, rather than locks?--JO 24 (talk) 18:24, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
I've reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles. This article is B-class; through some oversight, we do not know what (professionally), if anything, Gesualdo was doing in Naples (or when he's known to have moved there) before the murders. My full review is on the comments page; questions and comments should be left here or on my talk page. Magic♪piano 01:04, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
It was great to include a catalogue with his madrigals and its correspondence to each book (in madrigal repertoire it is not always indicated, and everything becomes free and detached). Thanks to Antandrus. But in this catalogue I couldn't find "O malnati messaggi", madrigal probably from the third book. Is there a reason for that? And isn't there an order for each madrigal book content? We can deliberately consider them in an alphabetical order? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leonardo Teixeira de Oliveira (talk • contribs) 19:56, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
It said Gesualdo asked Cardinal Borromeo (his uncle) to send him relics (skeletal remains) of his uncle, which makes no sense. I removed "of his uncle Carlo." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.21.12.97 (talk) 21:24, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
Is it really "ridiculous" to describe the means by which he is alleged to have killed his first wife and lover (not to mention the possible other two)? If no details are known, shouldn't this be clearly stated instead (perhaps in a footnote), as this casts further doubt on the veracity of the allegations? I quite agree that Wikipedia is not a tabloid. But the method(s) of murder are not "gory details", they're just facts (if they actually exist). Martinevans123 (talk) 14:00, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
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==Composers Project Assessment of Carlo Gesualdo: 2009-02-25==
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===Things that may be necessary to pass a Good Article review=== ===Summary=== Ooh, a spicy biography (rubs hands). Interesting character, mostly well-covered. It is strangely ambiguous at first where the murders take place. It says they took place at his palace in Naples; it does not say what he was doing in Naples (janitor? court composer? rich nobleman?) or what is known of his arrival there. The article could use more images, and, if formal review is desired, more inline citations. Article is B-class. Magic♪piano 01:02, 25 February 2009 (UTC) |
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To editor 2601:187:8400:654a:ec6f:e614:687a:9f3: I can keep reverting you all day. Per WP:HONORIFIC, we're not adding don to the subject's name. You haven't made a case for adding the quote from The New Yorker and you don't have consensus. Per WP:BRD it's time to discuss. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:37, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
Hey Francis Schonken, this is Smart Aleck. Like you said, we could start a discussion about my editions to the article here. I'm sorry for the delay. Smart Aleck (talk) 23:48, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
Hello, it would be a good time and place now to discuss about my edits. First things first, you noticed that I added the word "but". Of course, I now get it and understand that I should be citing a reliable source that uses the word. By the way, one thing I think we should really discuss about on this page is my past edits on Gesualdo's killings of his wife and her lover. Smart Aleck (talk) 18:07, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
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Why is "As a musician he is best known for writing intensely expressive madrigals and pieces..." to be preferred to "As a composer he is best known for writing intensely expressive madrigals and pieces ..."? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:37, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Francis Schonken: Could you please clarify your reversal of my edit? The lead neither makes nor made any explicit statement about Gesualdo being acquitted. Furthermore, you may restore/insert that information, rather than reversing the changes that ensured that the lead is in line with policies such as WP:NPV and WP:WTA. Thank you in advance for responding. Toccata quarta (talk) 18:03, 4 October 2020 (UTC)