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The text about the Big Bang Theory and other scientific explanations for the "origins" of the universe should either 1) be moved to another page, such as Creationism versus Naturalism or 2) summarized in a paragraph that states that most scientists do not believe that the Universe was the result of "creation."
As the "Creation" page now reads, the text about the Big Bang Theory is irrelevant to the subject of "creation"--since the Big Bang Theory says nothing about something creating something else. Rednblu 18:38, 11 Aug 2003 (UTC)
I think the main problem here is the word "creation". The definition given in the article is vague : "Creation is the process of making something new". What level of thing are we talking about ? Are we talking about new structures of matter formed from pre-existing matter (as we commonly understand it), or entire objects popping out of nothing (as Christians believe) ? Perhaps it means to encompass both definitions, but to me they are completely different, and only sow confusion when conflated, as I think this discussion demonstrates. Franc28 08:15, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
this isnt a theory it is true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've heard of scientific creation theories (as opposed to evolutionary origins theories discussed under that topic here), which I hoped to find some coverage on by someone with related credentials who represents those theories or ideas. How can we get such contrbutions? The article falls short of expectations. There's other topics where I could expect to find the same facts and point of view given in the article.
== Let A Creationist Answer! ==
Allow me first to disassociate myself hurriedly from Scientific Creationism, Creation Science, and just about every creationist position argued over the Internet. Call me a commonsense creationist. Wikipedia is really Aethipedia, and reflects the aethistic evolutionary viewpoint throughout. Because all pages are a mixture of everybody's views, there is no point in me contributing a page on creation, only to have it edited/mucked up by somebody else. I'll give you a creation page, if you immediately lock it, and show conflicting viewpoints underneath. Wikipedia fails to teach the controversy effectively in any controversial issue, and sometimes makes a controversy where there is none. There are many controversial points in creation, and much ignorant faith to be injured. If wikipedia comes up with a formula for controlled editing where a license, or password is required to edit sections of viewpoint pages then it will progress. Each such page should have an "Opposition to this view" section, which might be more open. (User: Business.kid)
why is this article separate from Creation belief? Ungtss 19:25, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to add this to the page. I believe that their should be some entry on this subject which does not take a postionality which is ego based and one that may not cause the 'ego' to engage.
An innate quality of creation is evolutionary progress, as demonstrated by the organic expressions of life. Whether the source of life is considered to be a random chemical accident (bottom-up theory), or Divinity (top-down theory), the fact that it is evoltutionary is certainly documentable and strikingly obvious. The term 'creation' is an abstraction that implies emergence, appearance, and progressive existence of increasing complexity and efficacy. Every field of human inquiry has been progressive; simultaneously, the universe has been expanding in infinitie directions at the speed of light. With a little reflection, it would appear that there really is no conflict between Evolution and Creation for they are intrinsically one and the same process (e.g., Creation is a progressive, ongoing, continuous, unfolding, and emerging as Evolution). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.5.29.160 (talk) 19:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
"Some believe God organized worlds from existing matter" I have NEVER heard such a thing. What religion or what sect proposes this ? Franc28 01:00, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
If no one can answer this question, then I'll have to edit it back for being a completely spurious claim. Franc28 09:22, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
As a devout Christian and Creationist, I can find no Biblical text that says anything except "God created the Earth". He made the Earth from nothing.Twobytwo 19:14, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
You can find no biblical text? Well you don't look very hard. Gen. 1:1-2a "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. AND THE EARTH WAS WITH OUT FORM AND VOID" That sounds like nothing to me!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pianoloverizme (talk • contribs) 16:19, May 22, 2007 UTC
So, Twobytwo, you were there? If not, who are you to limit God to only one form of life? I can neither argue on a supreme truth level with either Creation or Evolution, so I will argue what I believe, Evolution.The open mind 19:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
AAAARGH....Use a little simple logic here, please!!
THE EARTH WAS WITHOUT FORM AND VOID - this statement comes AFTER the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the statement "THE EARTH WAS" means that "the earth existed", so your conclusion that "VOID" means that there was "nothing" is the main reason why Creationists can't accept simple facts like "matter cannot be created nor destroyed"(a scientific LAW).
Let's do a little English lesson so you can be a devout Christian and understand how matter could exist before God created the world:
Create (verb) - To produce something as a result, or make something happen. Void (adjective)- Having no incumbant, occupant, or holder.
When we consider the meaning of these words, you can clearly see that God produced the world, He made it happen, and that after He created the Earth it had no occupants. If "void" were used as a NOUN and not an ADJECTIVE we could assume that the earth was a vaccum, but then it wouldn't be the Earth and the statement would hold no meaning. In other words the statement "THE EARTH WAS WITHOUT FORM AND [a] VOID" would mean "the earth, which God created, did not exist". This simply doesn't make sense.
Plus, God is an eternal being, so he could not have sprung into existence by Himself. By accepting the argument that major Christian sects have presented on this argument without considering common sense when reading your Bible, you cannot understand Christ or God the Father as They would want you to. Plus, if you want to know what religion proposes this, it is the Mormons. So basically, this idea was given by a PROPHET who could actually SEE this stuff so you don't have to rest on a blind priest's confused interpretation of scripture. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Swiftabulous (talk • contribs) 00:16:12, August 19, 2007 (UTC).
The article says: Creation (theology), the act by a God or gods of bringing the universe into existence from unlimited energy, e.g (Isaiah 40:26) rather than from "nothing".
Isaiah 40:26 is a spurious reference here - that verse is simply showing how God calls out the starry host, i.e. makes them appear at night as far as people living on the earth are concerned. I assume that what is meant by "unlimited energy" must be energy separate and distinct from God - the Bible only says that God created from his strength, not from existing energy separate from himself! Purple Banana 16:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
The Torah is the first five-books of the Bible, in Hebrew. The translation of the Torah's first phrase is a classic problem Even at the risk of a slightly awkward English, I am translating this line literally, not only to make it reflect the Hebrew, but to show the significant parallel between this opening and the opening of the second paragraph. The fellow editors of Wik may also reference Commentary of the Torak with an English translation and the Hebrew Text by Richard Elliott Friedman.
" In the beginning of YHWHGod's creating the skies and the earth when the earth had been shapeless and formless, and darkness was on the face of the deep , and God's spirit was hovering on the face of the water." Genesis 1;1,2
1:2 the earth had been'Here is a case in which a tiny point of grammar makes a difference for theology. In the Hebrew of this verse, the noun comes before the verb (in perfect form). This is now known to be the way of conveying the past perfect in Biblical Hebrew. This point of grammar means in that this verse does not mean " the earth was shapeless" - referring to the condition of the earth starting after it ws created. This verse rather means that "the earth had been shapeless and formeless" - that is, it had already existed in this shapeless condition prior to creation. Creation is a matter in the Torah is not out of nothing (creatio ex nihlio), as many have claimed. And the Torah is not claiming to be telling events from the begining of time.'
1.2 shapeless and formless. The two words in the Hebrew, tohu and bohu'''', are understood to mean virtually the same thing. This is the first appearance in the Torah of phenomeon in biblical language known as hendidays, in which two connected words are used to signnify one thing. The henidays of "tohu and bohu', plus the reference of the deep and the water yields a picture of an undifferentiated, shapeless fluid which had existed prior to creation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.5.29.160 (talk) 19:31, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
I propose a merger with create since "create" is the root word of "creation". -Eep² 09:59, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree. We don't need both articles and they could easily be merged.Wikidudeman (talk) 10:00, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Disagree. A "See also" link works just fine here, and this page is a bit long anyway. The words are distinct if related; I can see merging in some cases where the difference is really minor like "Foo" and "The Foo," but even then, they sometimes keep different pages (like The Tempest (disambiguation) and Tempest). SnowFire 08:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Per the article on intelligent design, I do not think that ID should be listed under the "science" heading. That article indicates that intelligent design is not a scientific hypothesis, and that it arises primarily from religious antecedents. I have thus moved it up into the philosophy section. I leave it to other editors to decide whether it belongs here at all. Silly rabbit 19:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Quartus81, concerning your repeated attempts ([2], [3], [4], and possibly [5] and [6]? ) to replace the phrase "creation myth" with "creation account", please note that an account requires a person or author who was in some way eyewitness to the described events. Since the sequence of events describes The Initial Creation, by definition, there cannot possibly have been someone present to witness, and thus to to provide an account of the events. Hope this helps. DVdm (talk) 19:26, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Reacting to 92.236.69.30's edit summary of this edit, namely ""Myth" is someone's opinion and not a neutral description, thus contravening Wikipedia's rules". If you have a careful reading of the Creation myth article, you will understand that "Myth" is perfectly neutral. DVdm (talk) 21:36, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Also check the neutrality and "freeness" of judgement of the word in the relevant meanings of "myth" in some notable dictionaries. DVdm (talk) 23:11, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Gentlemen, I see where Quartus81 is coming from on this, even if his reasoning style leaves something to be desired. May I suggest the word "story" instead of "myth"?--80.247.80.108 (talk) 08:27, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Summary of principal meanings of "Myth" as found on dictionary.reference.com, with emphasis illustrating the neutrality of the word in the context of the first book of the Bible, Genesis:
Looks like the word was specially created for this. DVdm (talk) 10:41, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
wonder story of prehistoric origin - This definition fits Evolution, as in essence of scientific fact it cannot be proven as no one has witnessed it. The use of "Creation Myth" is hugely biased- claiming that what we do not know is wrong is not impartial( not favouring one person or thing more than another) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.219.105.21 (talk) 19:59, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
An innate quality of creation is evolutionary progress, as demonstrated by the organic expressions of life. Whether the source of life is considered to be a random chemical accident (bottom-up theory), or Divinity (top-down theory), the fact that it is evoltutionary is certainly documentable and strikingly obvious. The term 'creation' is an abstraction that implies emergence, appearance, and progressive existence of increasing complexity and efficacy. Every field of human inquiry has been progressive; simultaneously, the universe has been expanding in infinitie directions at the speed of light. With a little reflection, it would appear that there really is no conflict between Evolution and Creation for they are intrinsically one and the same process (e.g., Creation is a progressive, ongoing, continuous, unfolding, and emerging as Evolution).
The literal Hebrew translation in the Torah (first five books of the Bible) states " In the beginning of God's creating the skies and the earth, when the earth had been shapeless and formless..." That is, there is a preexisting matter which is is a watery chaos. Subsequent matter - dry land, heavenly bodies, plants, animals - may be formed out of this undifferentiated fluid.
I am going to add these deifinitions, unless others object. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.5.29.160 (talk) 19:37, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
All Wrong, All Lost:
To break the restriction of a linear time sequence, The Lost need empirical data - uncorrupted, honest data. However, the Lost have filtered all their data with a scientific-religious presumption: a finite universe with a finite number of dimensions.
The Lost do not understand, nor do they perceive their conflict with the infinite Universe and the infinite number of dimensions...
"...nothing can be added to it, nor anything taken from it..." (Ecclesiastes 3:14)--FinalNotice (talk) 22:13, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
I recently placed a double star against the entry for Genesis creation narrative so that it appeared as a sub-set of Creation myth, both being stories of supernatural beginnings. This has been reverted under the guise of NPOV which seems to me to be the exact opposite of what has just happened. Other views would be welcomed. Abtract (talk) 16:09, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
conflict Nikolaifruzhev1993 (talk) 21:22, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
As a test of the organizational theory of harmony, might we reconsider naming "disambiguation" to "concept"? Dyxtan (talk) 03:00, 25 September 2023 (UTC)