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I gave reliable sources for all the information I added. The old version of the article tap-danced around without mentioning the Chagossian people and went along with the Pentagon "migrant workers" talkingpoint even though the most reliable newspapers by white people have since debunked the migrant workers trope. The Chagossian people lived in Chagos for generations and generations and generations. The fact that they were treated like indentured servants before their expulsion doesn't mean they were just "migrant workers". Enough with this revisionism about the horrors of slavery. It's like the Deep South textbooks calling slaves from the Atlantic slave trae "migrant workers". Give me one modern reliable source as good as the guardian that says Chagossians were not generational residents of the islands. You can't, because this is truth and I don't need the Pentagon's permission to tell the truth. White people don't have a monopoly on the truth. To say that mentioning the Chagossian people by name in the lead requires a discussion is RACISM. The article about the Chagossian people has this exact same information.--BlueOceanLover (talk) 15:18, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
You need to convince METhats not how consensus works
"A 1970 note from a Foreign Office legal adviser said that a key purpose of laws restricting the right of Chagossians to remain and live in Chagos was to “maintain the fiction that the inhabitants of Chagos are not a permanent or semi-permanent population.” In a paragraph entitled "Maintaining the fiction," he said that keeping any population in the BIOT increased the risk of having to report to the United Nations about a colony." - from HRW
" In 1970, the Foreign Office told its officials at the UN to describe the islanders as "contract labourers" engaged to work on coconut plantations." - The Guardian
"The Chagossians were wage slaves. But it was better than many places. It was their place – and the longing they feel for it is very real." from The Guardian
" In the end, 116 states were in favour, 55 abstained and just four supported the UK and US (Australia, Hungary, Israel and Maldives)." from The Guardian
"after the abolition of slavery, they were later joined by indentured labourers from India, as well as by a few with European and Chinese ancestry. Over nearly two hundred years, until the expulsion of the entire population, this diverse mixture of peoples, religions, and traditions merged to create a distinct society in Chagos." FROM THE BIRTH OF THE IloIS TO THE “FOOTPRINT OF FREEDOM”: A HISTORY OF CHAGOS AND THE CHAGOSSIANS by David Vine; from New Statesman, Volume 133, Issues 4708-4718
You still haven't told me why you personally think we shouldn't mention the Chagossian people by name in the head of the article. You need to provide a reason for wanting to exclude reliable sourced information besides "muh I don't like it" I'm not saying you work for the pentagon, but your certianly are repeating propaganda that the Pentagon and UK Foreign Office ordered their officials to repeat. Doing it for free doesn't mean it isn't praopganda.--BlueOceanLover (talk) 15:40, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
So does this article belong to the Pentagon, when I reverted you the first time. You also accused me of
bad-faith propaganda editsin an edit summary and now are claiming that I am
repeating propaganda. This is definitionally uncivil and can result in a block. Best, ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:05, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
"In 1966, the population of the island was 924.[3]: par 23 These people [the Chagossians] were employed as contract farm workers primarily on copra plantations owned by the Chagos-Agalega company. Although local plantation managers commonly allowed pensioners and the disabled to remain in the islands and continue to receive housing and rations in exchange for light work, children after the age of 12 were required to work.[3] In 1964, only 3 of a population of 963 were unemployed.[3] In April 1967, the BIOT Administration bought out Chagos-Agalega for £600,000, thus becoming the sole property owner in the BIOT.[4] The Crown immediately leased back the properties to Chagos-Agalega but the company terminated the lease at the end of 1967.[3]"
--BlueOceanLover (talk) 02:17, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
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If any admin has a moment, I think the following change to the lead should be made:
The new passage is referenced in the body of the text, contains more detailed dating on 300 years of the island's history, and reflects that the island featured both transitory European and more permanent enslaved populations. I think this change also addresses some of the concerns that resulted in this page having to be locked in the first place. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:31, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
We need to stop using euphamisms for Chagossians, it is dehumanizing. "Inhabitants" and "contract workers" is not the right adjective because some who left the island before the explusion (such as for medical treatment) were forbidden from returning to their homes, and the Chagossians from other islands far away from Diego Garcia were expelled too. Not all Chagossians on Diego Garcia were contract workers employed by the plantation (many were children) and treating their work contracts that exploited them as their defining characteristic reduces them to a vague "other". They lived in the islands for generations, first brought there against their will in times of slavery, grew up there, died there, were born there, and were only allowed to live in their homeland if they signed a labor contract - they weren't just random people who visited Chagos for seasonal labor. The government has admitted very candidly that they were not migrant workers and set out their intentions to falsify history and "maintain the fiction" [sic] that they were not a permanent or semi-permanent population. I don't expect to right the huge historical injustice done to them, but we all need to be respectful to the Chagossian people and not whitewash and falsify history. We have reliable and very respected sources that show the truth about the Chagossian people, like The Guardian, The New York Times, CNN. We should discuss the wording of the article and change it to prevent further disinformation to "maintain the fiction" as the government said.--BlueOceanLover (talk) 18:09, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
There is presently no mention in this article (Diego Garcia) of the the people mentioned in the British Indian Ocean Territory article in the section British_Indian_Ocean_Territory#Marooned_asylum_seekers. I think they should be mentioned in this article as well, as they are in Diego Garcia.
I think the simplest thing would be to add something short to this article, in the Inhabitants section, with a link the existing section British Indian Ocean Territory article. I am not sure of the best thing to do. FrankSier (talk) 17:36, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
A David Vine is quoted in the section Diego_Garcia#After_1971, and as they are quoted I think there should be some information about who they are. I am pretty sure they are not the person who presently has a WP article: David Vine who was an English television sports presenter. There are no other David Vines that I can find who have a WP article.
I am guessing that they are the same person as mentioned as "David Vine of The Washington Post" in the Territories_of_the_United_States article, and as mentioned 4 times in the references of in Marshall Islands article. They probably deserve an article of their own. A Google on "David Vine of The Washington Post" brings up lots of hits. FrankSier (talk) 18:17, 18 February 2024 (UTC)