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Are humans related to Gorgonopsia?, because Gorgonopsia was one of the ancestors of all mammalsPhthinosuchusisanancestor (talk) 15:25, 24 October 2008 (UTC) PhthinosuchusReply[reply]
Technically, Humans are related only very distantly related, just don't be calling people "Beast face".--50.195.51.9 (talk) 19:12, 18 December 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Gorgonopsia was probably not our ancestor, just a relative of our ancestor. For what it's worth, we're much closer to Gorgonopsia than we are to dinos, though. --Saforrest (talk) 09:37, 16 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Is this the same Niuksenitia as in Burnetiidae? Classification dispute? Error? Two with the same name? Shinobu (talk) 03:23, 30 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"The largest known, Inostrancevia, was the size of a large bear with a 45 cm long skull". Actually, Inostrancevia could be at least 1.5 larger. There are evidence from separately found bones, and also from size of some skulls known (see also Discussion sheet at Inostrancevia Wiki-page)--188.123.252.14 (talk) 08:45, 23 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
although this description is deceptive because theriodonts are Synapsida, not Reptilia.
Historically theriodonts were classified as reptiles, later in a new cladistic-based interpretation which did not include a clade called "Reptilia" (because any such clade would be paraphyletic) they were classified under Synapsida. There is nothing deceptive here; these were separate and distinct classifications. --Saforrest (talk) 09:34, 16 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"and an overall elongate shape" ... reads a bit odd to me, perhaps "and an overall elongated shape"? if this is a specific biological term we should probably link it so that the specialized meaning is presented.
"The braincase was also rather reptilian, being comparatively smaller and not as thick." "smaller" and "not as" imply comparison, but what are we comparing TO? If there's something we're comparing to, we need to mention it, otherwise we should go with "The braincase was also rather reptilian, being comparatively small and not very thick."
"is related to the vestibulo–ocular reflex (stablise gaze while moving the head)" the parenthetical phrase is poorly attached to the rest ... perhaps "is related to the vestibulo–ocular reflex (which stablises the gaze while moving the head)"?
The sentence/pararaph beginning "Like other Permian therapsids..." is insanely long and convoluted. Perhaps: "Like other Permian therapsids, gorgonopsians had developed several mammalian characteristics. These included a parasagittal gait where the limbs were vertically oriented and moved parallel to the spine as opposed to the sprawling gait of amphibians and earlier synapsids. Because of the gait changes, there was a reduction in tail size and phalangeal formula[7] (the number of joints per digit, which was 2.3.4.5.3 like reptiles[3]). Other developments included a fibrous lamellar cortical bone, a temporal fenestra (a hole on the temporal bone), deeply-set teeth, and a secondary palate (which separates the mouth from the nasal cavity, but gorgonopsians may not have had this).[7]"? I hope I haven't mangled the science too badly in an attempt to make it readable for non-specialists.
"Many of Broom's taxa would later be invalidated." I'm assuming this is pretty normal and not a sign of any misconduct?
no, that just means a lot of the genera and species he named don't have proper justification to be distinct from another genus/species User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk 04:03, 9 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"major adaptive radiation (all carnivores) continuing into the Upper Permian" - the parenthetical "all carnivores" implies that it is a definition of "radition" but it's not - so I'm confused by what exactly the parenthetical is supposed to be describing?
"rubidgeines have an especially built skull among gorgonopsians" "especially built" here is very odd... especially usually is used as a superlative, but ... applying a superlative to "built" is very strange. did we mean something like "especially robustly built" or some other missing adjective before built?
"along with other early carnivores as well as crocodiles" - this implies that crocodiles aren't carnivores? Perhaps "along with other early carnivores including crocodiles"? but is there some reason we're emphasizing crocodiles especially here?
"The temporalis and masseter had only separated in mammals" - I think this means that the evolution of the masseter muscles only came in with mammals after the extinction of the gorgonopsians. We probably need to reword this ... but I don't want to make a stab at it until I'm sure I've understood what is meant first. And this whole sentence is very run on and could use some simplifying into smaller sentences.
it means the differentiation of the temporalis and the masseter only occurred in mammals. Thus, a non-mammalian therapsids cannot be described as having either a temporalis or a masseter User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk 04:03, 9 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"...and the jaw likely could not exert shearing pressure necessary for crushing bone open to access the bone marrow. They had no use for this since synapsids at this time did not have bone marrow." First it should be "crushing bones open". Okay, did ANY animals living then have bone marrow? If not, suggest rewording to "..and the jaw likely could not exert shearing pressure necessary for crushing bones open, but since no animals at the time had bone marrow, this was not a disability."
I would assume the Permian representatives of the line going to dinosaurs, lizards, snakes, etc. had bone marrow because all modern members of these groups also have bone marrow User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk 04:03, 9 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"There was developed attachment for all the scapulohumeral muscles, particularly the deltoids." Mostly, I've been able to follow the descriptions in the article really well (which is good, since my last biology class was in 7th grade - I was a chemistry geek before I became a medievalist) but this one is totally flumoxing me. I can't figure out what it means and why it's reading so weirdly to me. I think there's a word missing? "was a developed"?
Was this originally published somewhere else? I see "January 2004 Revista Mexicana de Ciencias Geológicas 21(1)" at the top - is this the original publication? If so, cite that with a conviencene link to the researchgate link IF they have the right to reprint it ... we can't link to copyright violations. Ealdgyth (talk) 20:57, 10 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I randomly googled three phrases and only turned up Wikipedia mirrors. Earwig's tool no copyright concerns.
I did do some copyediting, please make sure I didn't change any sourced text beyond what the sources will support or that I haven't broken anything.
I'm assuming I will see this at FAC, and took the opportunity to be a bit more thorough in anticipation.
I've put the article on hold for seven days to allow folks to address the issues I've brought up. Feel free to contact me on my talk page, or here with any concerns, and let me know one of those places when the issues have been addressed. If I may suggest that you strike out, check mark, or otherwise mark the items I've detailed, that will make it possible for me to see what's been addressed, and you can keep track of what's been done and what still needs to be worked on. Ealdgyth (talk) 19:58, 8 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
While expanding Viatkogorgon, I just learned that gorgonopsians retained palatal teeth, which were otherwise lost and reduced in most therapsid groups. This certainly warrants a mention in the dentition section, which doesn't mention these teeth at all now. FunkMonk (talk) 01:27, 17 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello everyone, I have a small anomaly to reproach concerning the article in question. Indeed when an article is labeled and when you go to another language, the labeled article is always accompanied by a star symbol which shows the quality of the article (grey star for "good article" and yellow star for "quality article"), which, obviously, is not the case for Gorgonopsia, and I would like this frustrating problem to be fixed... Amirani1746 (talk) 13:09, 29 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]