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This article does not discuss any early life, childhood and background of the person. Even his father name is not mentioned in a single time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.152.36.109 (talk) 16:06, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
This article is ridiculously biased in favour of Dar and his policies. "leading financial-cum-economic expert", "From his enviable educational record to professional acumen, and from his peerless political career to holding various important portfolios, Senator Dar stands out par excellence", "Dar was once again called upon to rescue the nose-diving economy". And those are just the lede. I don't know very much about Dar and his work in Pakistani politics but this is really clearly over the line. Therequiembellishere (talk) 18:42, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
This article features content from various news stories in the papers and are a stark example of blatant plagiarism, thereby violating the WP:PLAG guidelines. Article content must not be copy-pasted from various URLs but need to be written in a comprehensive manner usually including citations to those sources in that particular context. If there is no change in the text and if the article is not correctly resolved, there would be no better way than to delete this information in its entirety. — Arun Zaheeruddin (talk) 08:26, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
This article has been receiving its fair share of vandalised content. This cannot be tolerated under Wikipedia guidelines. I might just request for this page to be protected if the vandalism continues. Meanwhile, we will stick with this revision until things settle down — Arun Zaheeruddin (talk) 23:14, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
Dawn (newspaper) has at some point been used as a source for Dar having been born in 1950. User:Mewulwe objects to this, saying that the 1950 date has been in the Wikipedia article since 2009, that the Dawn article cited was published after this, and that Dawn's reputation is such that it is most likely that the article merely took the year from the Wikipedia article.
Dawn (newspaper) has been discussed at WP:RSN before.
How do people feel about whether this birth year should be accepted based on this evidence, or not? MPS1992 (talk) 20:27, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
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Frankmister2 (talk) 17:00, 13 August 2017 (UTC)FM2
Is it just me or is the editing on this page pretty biased? No references to the corruption cases against him, including ongoing ones. No reference to the collapse of the Pakistani currency under his time as Finance Minister, Crickharte (talk) 17:03, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
I’ve made a few recent changes.
businessman & investor—ampersands? really?
veteranis puffery.
a philanthropist mainly focused on child welfare & protection—more ampersands, and not everything belongs in the lede on pain of imbalance. Indeed, the lede is already crowded; cut ‘former member of the National Assembly’ and former ministerial posts too.
Born in 1950 and grew up in Lahore, Dar was educated—did an illiterate write this?
He was highly regarded for his innovative, prudent & fastidious financial management, discipline and control in the corporate world resulting in cost-savings & improved bottom-lines. The same was noticed & admired by the royal families of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, etc.[1][2] He was soon advising the royal families on large-scale investments & business ventures across the globe to their advantage.—more poorly written puffery! And it wasn’t even in the source.
making him one of the most prolific men of crises and decision-makers in the country; when it came to macroeconomic issues, balance of payment crises,[3] energy security, bilateral & multilateral debts,[4] food security,[5] diplomatic crises, parliamentary politics and international disputes settlements for Pakistan.—incoherent. Some of these sources don’t even mention Dar.
In March 2018, he was re-elected to the Senate of Pakistan as the returning senator from Punjab on a technocrat seat and the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) has also reversed the suspension of his victory notification and restored his victory notification on 9 January 2023.[6]It suffices to mention this in the body of the article; the lede need only state that he has been a senator since 2003.
Interestingly, Nawaz Sharif had been his batch mate at Government College University Lahore from 1964 to 1966.[7]—no need for synthesis.
He was one of the youngest Pakistanis at the time to have passed the esteemed professional qualification.[8]—more hagiography.
and, since then he has remained one of closest aides of Nawaz Sharif & a key federal cabinet member of Nawaz Sharif in all of his three governments.—nearly criminally vague.
Later on, in the first government of Shehbaz Sharif; the 23rd Prime Minister of Pakistan.[9]…what does it mean? &c
After receiving recognition at the national level in 1990 for his suggestions on provincial & federal government budgets, he became the top advisor to Nawaz Sharif on monetary, fiscal, taxation, industrial, trade and national debt management.[7]Is this a joke? I was beginning to tire of having to read these sources until I noticed the rather amusing use made of this source.
Ishaq Dar also facilitated Sharif Family to obtain a PKR 100 million line of credit, under the Islamic finance principles of Modarba;[10] which is a special kind of partnership where one partner gives money to another for investing in a commercial enterprise.Not in source. Also, if this is entirely innocuous, why is it even encyclopædic to mention a minor business arrangement?
Right, that's enough for now. I’ll be back.
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Docentation (talk) 20:35, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
[t]o help other editors understand the reasoning behind your edits, always explain your changes in the edit summary. If an edit is too complex to explain in an edit summary, or the change is contentious, add a section to the talk page that explains your rationale. Be prepared to justify your changes to other editors on the talk page. If you are reverted, continue to explain yourself; do not start an edit war.
[e]ditors must not use alternative accounts to mislead, deceive, disrupt, or undermine consensus. This includes, but is not limited to…[c]ontributing to the same page or discussion with multiple accounts[.](WP:ILLEGIT). If this pattern continues, I shall submit a checkuser request. Docentation (talk) 21:53, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
years of hard work—that is not an argument for the retention of material; there is no Wikipedia policy about ‘years of hard work’.
kindly delete the parts one by one—each is explained above, one by one. You are welcome to revert them individually with an actual argument.
The said editor has further deleted 11,000+ characters—yes, and I invite discussion, including from you. Much of the editing was with a view to making the article more concise.
There is no Sharif ministry.Yes there were: First Nawaz Sharif ministry, Second Nawaz Sharif ministry, Third Nawaz Sharif ministry.
His Excellency Ishaq Dar is the Federal Minister of Finance & Revenue in Pakistan.Are you suggesting a change from ‘Finance Minister of Pakistan’ to ‘Minister of Finance and Revenue of Pakistan’ in the lede?
This deletion has created a vast multitude of disconnect between many a references.I have no idea what this means. I am not sure any other editor would either.
Else: (i) new references should be added to support the deletionsThere is no policy requiring deletions to be supported by references. This is a rather odd claim. (Otherwise, if I were to add an unsourced claim, would someone else have to provide a source to remove it?)
or each deletion should be explained in the talk.. I have already explained edits above, with no result. I am happy to discuss each individual edit, but it is hard to make out what your problem is. Most of the edits are broadly of the same kind as above. I am therefore reverting this edit.
record—there’s no need to bang on about how becoming finance minister four times is a record; who cares?
honor—the standard spelling in Pakistani English is honour.
[Dar] has been credited for stabilizing the economy of Pakistan. But the FT article following does.[2] Someone has very annoyingly inserted sources in the middle of sentences when they could easily go at the end, so some sources go before
for three years after 2013, some after, and then some after
in particular steering country out of balance of payments crisis in 2013[sic]. And then some of the sources are not so flattering as suggested. For example, Tribune remarks that
He has been accused of using Statistics Division, mainly Pakistan Bureau of Statistics, to manipulate statistics to show better economic performance. The independent economists had questioned the economic growth figures for the fiscal year 2014-15 and 2015-16.[3] Yet that is not mentioned—only credit for
stabilizing[sic]the economy!
He was also appointed Leader of the House in the Senate of Pakistan.[4]Not in source.
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