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hey can someone proof this , spell chaeck ti and smarten it up, it took me all day to write Lincolnshire Poacher 20:40, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
User Gareth Owen has deleted the entry for A6 Murder and redirected it to James Hanratty.--Darrelljon 15:47, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
What was the bus conductresses name? Patricia something. I will add this and perhaps Fogarty-Wauls statement when I find out.--Darrelljon 13:17, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps the Evidence anomalies and new evidence could be merged. Also, would the list of agreed facts be better as a narrative?--Darrelljon 15:56, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Hanratty told police that on the day of the murder he had left the Vienna Hotel on foot intending to go to Liverpool. By mistake he went to Paddington station initially, at this point he left and went to Euston. Just conjecture but I wonder whether he was afraid that someone might come forward to say that he had been seen at Paddington that day. As Paddington is the station for Slough this would have been potentially very damaging.
The article claims the Morris Minor's journey at gunpoint is "a basic fact" about the case. Isn't it merely Valerie Storie's testimony until we find the Morris Minor abandoned?--Darrelljon 20:33, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps the Meike Dalal and Audrey Willis incidents could be included.--Darrelljon 21:42, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Is the reference to Lime Street Police Station correct?--Darrelljon 21:38, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
It seems odd that someone with such apparently detailed knowledge of this case should add a the following patently false statement:
"However, in late 2002, there was a plan to exhume Hanratty and collect DNA from his teeth. The A6 Committee said this was pointless, as the evidence has now been contaminated, including being handled by Hanratty himself."
Hanratty was exhumed and DNA confirmed his guilt. The evidence was exhaustively discussed in public by the appeal court judges. It's difficult see how handling the evidence can have resulted in the transfer of mucus into a handkerchief and semen into the rape-victim's underwear. Paul B 00:30 2005 (UTC)
Do certain people, convinced of the correctness of their cause, just abdicate logical thought? If Alphon had been charged, convicted and swung, then Foot et al would have then spent years demonstrating just how guilty Hanratty was in order to undermine the conviction of Alphon [Andrew M]March 2007.
On the motive question, it is often forgotten that Hanratty had reportedly told a friend not long before the crime that he intended to acquire a gun and become a "stick up" man.Nandt1 12:27, 4 October 2006 (UTC)Nandt1
The notion that Hanratty is innocent is about as plausible as the claims that OJ Simpson and Mumia Abu Jamal are innocent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.141.154.97 (talk) 06:08, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
Valerie Storie could not have picked Hanratty out at the first line up. He wasn't in it! That odd cove Peter Alphon was the suspect in that one.
Someone has amended the article to read Hanratty was the eight last person to be hanged in Britain for murder. I'm not sure that's true. Wasn't he among the final 3? I think there may have been further hangings but not for murder. I think also there were further executions but by lethal injection not hanging. I am unclear on this so can someone clarify this?--Darrelljon 21:56, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Response: Certainly there were no modern UK executions in times of peace by any means other than hanging. Nor, after the immediate post-War period, for crimes other than murder.Nandt1 12:25, 4 October 2006 (UTC)Nandt1
- I wish I could have seen the families faces when the lab results came back positive and that scumbag's guilt was proven. Can't believe they are still fighting it, then again they have always kept up the story that he was an angel - even though EVERYONE says he wasn't.
The article says in the Witness Testimony of Valerie Storie section:-
- The journey continued along the A5 through St Albans, which the gunman mistakenly insisted was Watford, before joining the A6.
- At about 01:30, the car was on the A6, travelling south, when the man said he wanted a 'kip' (sleep). Twice he told Gregsten to turn off the road and then changed his mind, and the car returned to the A6.
- At Deadman's Hill the man ordered Gregsten to pull into a layby. He at first refused, but the man became aggressive and threatened them with the gun.
But Clophill is north of St Albans on the A6. Either they were going back and forth or, at 01:30, they were travelling north. 212.58.233.129 12:51, 1 June 2007 (UTC)Columb
This article could easily be raised to B class if you include information the man's life before he murdered someone.
Hi The names of Gregson & Storie are only hyperlinked further down (which confused me) is it a mistake or a convention? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zzapper (talk • contribs) 10:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
I have added a photo and cleaned the list text. --andreasegde (talk) 15:20, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Thei article reads like it has been written by one of Hanratty's family members. I think that comes down to the original author in 2005. At any rate, I think it needs a considerable amount of editing, at the moment it looks like the a submission in his defence. According to authoritative sources, Hanratty's guilt was proved beyond a reasonable doubt - and this article should reflect that. FOARP (talk) 15:17, 26 July 2011 (UTC) Agreed. I've made a small edit to one sentence, but this really needs a massive tidy, and actually could do with a complete rewrite. While there were many campaigning for a pardon, that doesn't change the fact that the evidence now shows him to be guilty.RattusMaximus (talk) 00:11, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
You say 'None of Hanratty’s mental history was given during the 21 days of his trial for the murder.' Does this mean that he might have been reprieved if this evidence had been presented in court? If so, the text should clarify this. 86.183.206.77 (talk) 12:22, 29 August 2012 (UTC) The defence lawyers in a case such as this must decide whether the defence is going to be a straightforward denial that the accused did not commit the crime, or admission that he did commit the crime but should be found not guilty of murder by reason of diminished responsibility. To argue that he did not do it but if he did, then he is not guilty because of diminished responsibility, is to court disaster. This was the poor defence run by Stefan Kiszko's team see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lesley_Molseed#Poor_defence — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.185.29.148 (talk) 15:51, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Why wasn't he serving in the forces? There were plenty of low-grade jobs in various depots - servicing vehicles, catering, laundry work etc. - that would not involve handling weapons on active service. Valetude (talk) 23:20, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
I have tried to explain more clearly what was involved in the DNA tests, in the process rewriting some text which I had myself originally drafted on the subject before reading the full text of these decision by the Court of Appeal. I evidently oversimplified previously when I wrote that there was no other male DNA present. In the case of the handkerchief, this was true. But in the case of Miss Storie's knickers, there was the DNA of a second male, which the court interpreted as coming from her lover Michael Gregsten.
Apologies for not explaining the change here when I first made it -- another editor quite reasonably reversed the change then as being unexplained. Nandt1 (talk) 17:19, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
For further information, see archive.spectator.co.uk/article/11th-may-2002/24/han-ratty-deserved- to-die — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.244.38 (talk) 16:21, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
The emphasis as to why Hanratty notablity is all wrong in the current intro.
Currently the emphasis is on his crime. Although heinous, being a rapist or a murderer is not sufficient grounds for wikipedia. Or because he was one the last people to be executed in the UK. The thing that makes this case important is what it stood for: an innocent man wrongly convicted and killed for a crime he did not commit (see Timothy Evans).
In Hanrraty's case, he made vociferous claims that he was innocent, that led to his case becoming a cause célèbre for the campaign to abolish the death penalty in the UK. For forty years they made point after point to show that his conviction was weak and unsound. It eventually resulted in a court of appeal hearing when Hanratty's family thought he'd be exonerated but then the DNA evidence came in.
He'd done it all along.
That should be how the intro should be restructured. The crime is just the background to the events that happened after they executed the right person.
It also suggests the article should be framed that way too.86.129.3.167 (talk) 12:03, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
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This is a very complicated and controversial matter. Gregsten's surviving family members agree with my theories about what might have happened here, and considering that they represent the victims, that is saying something quite significant. Unfortunately at the time, there could never have been any external evidence, but hopefully one day we will get it. Until then, it remains outside the scope of Wikipedia. 81.101.239.132 (talk) 05:13, 2 August 2023 (UTC)