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Hello Ptelea.
I have been looking through all your entries for Buddlejas on Wikipedia. Excellent work! I have made a few changes and added a B.globosa cultivar. Happy to collaborate on the pages and I have images for some. Leave a message on my Talk page.
Buddlejagarden (talk) 22:44, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Hello again!
Just been looking at your B.xweyeriana Moonlight photo. I think it is actually Golden Glow. If you need a good Moonlight photo let me know. There are actually two cultivars around called Moonlight which are very similar. I have nick-named them 'Pale' and 'Biscuit', both can be found at the Lavender Garden National Collection.
We have duplicated the Reve de Papillons, I will mark mine for deletion.
Buddlejagarden (talk) 10:00, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks for creating the article Buddleja 'Flutterby' = Lavender. Despite its being currently listed at AfD, your efforts to improve the encyclopedia for the public are appreciated. Northamerica1000(talk) 22:08, 29 March 2012 (UTC) |
Hi Ptelea, I'm afraid that I've partially undone your changes to the Convoy Faith article. What's your source for that material on HMS Swale? It at least partially contradicts what's in Munro's book. Also, it's unclear what the ultimate sources for both the images you added are, so they're not usable unless this can be cleared up (for instance, one of them had been uploaded under a statement that it's in the public domain as its an image from the New York Public Library, without any evidence to demonstrate that the NYPL has released its images into the public domain). Regards, Nick-D (talk) 08:30, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks a lot for obtaining that file, and adding material from it to the Convoy Faith article. Please let me know if I can ever reciprocate with Australian Government files. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 11:02, 25 May 2012 (UTC) |
Thank you so much for your article on George Ware. He was my father. I do not know enough about his work to write an article but I am very appreciative of your article on his work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.29.103.205 (talk) 01:35, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, Ptelea. I'm in favour. (Have amended the Greek Wiki page.) - Ftelia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.32.51.236 (talk) 10:44, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Ptelea. Re Procera, I haven't read all the Atinia evidence, but I think the English Elm article should present the Latium origin thesis and Henry's / Richens's Spain origin thesis as equally valid, unless the Latium evidence is irrefutable. At the moment the article says Latium is certain but Spain possible: a bit confusing. Re naming, I doubt the species idea (U. procera), but am puzzled by its early, atypical U. minor leaf-flush; I like U. minor Procera or U. minor Atinia; I dislike U. minor vulgaris (it's not 'common' across the U. minor range); and there's a case for U. 'Procera' or U. 'Atinia' ('Cultivars of unconfirmed derivation'). 'Alphabetical list of extant Elm species by scientific name' also needs updating, but I'm sure you know that! A really big merge would be sinking the U. minor subsp. minor article into the U. minor article: I feel it's wrong to separate them. The elms can't be subsp. minor in England but minor on the continent: it's the same variable species, and MC says "there's no clear distinction between [minor] species and subspecies". But I feel this merge is crucial for consistency - unless I've misunderstood something. Perhaps open a separate 'suberosa' page to shorten the article, and stress that 'suberosa' is doubtfully distinct (there's a precedent for this in elm pages, I think). Canescens also needs sorting out by the scientists; or has this been done? - Regards, Ftelia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.32.51.236 (talk) 12:49, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Ptelea. I didn't know about the ban, but it can't extend to Roman *proper* names, for we have 'Columella'. So U. 'Atinia' should be valid. Do Gil, Fuentes-Utrilla, Soto, Cervera, Collada (2004) use a scientific name other than U. procera? If they don't, they should have done: for I believe by their thesis Procera's a minor sport. I think we need to move on from the U. procera idea. Scientific protocol can't stand in the way of accuracy! (Richens's elm-populations in NW Spain, N Portugal and on the Med coast of France that "closely resemble English Elm" and appear to be "trees of long standing" in those regions are presumably related. They *would* only "closely resemble" English Elm, because they've mixed their genes there since the clone was brought to Britain. We know from Henry that Procera was fertile in Spain.) You could consult MC about naming. - Regards, Ftelia.
I'd never heard of it. J. E. Zalapa, J. Brunet, R. P. Guries (2008) say pumila hybridizes in the wild with rubra in central US. Speaking of pumila, may I suggest that Koopmannii be changed from minor to pumila on Wiki? Margilan is outside the main range of minor, and Henry, who saw specimens in Berlin and Kew, believed Koopmann's to be a form of pumila. Henry knew how variable minor could be, but pronounced it pumila. The tree is treated in some north Eurasian treatises as a cultivar of pumila. The Morton Arboretum photo (footnote 8 on Wiki) strongly suggests pumila. We have a tiny-leafed pumila (identity certain) in Edinburgh by Rocheid Path, with equally delicate, wispy tracery. At least K should be Uncertain Status. - Regards, Ftelia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.32.51.236 (talk) 13:18, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Hello, Ptelea. The pendulous Hillier 'Hansen' (File:Ulmus pumila 'Hansen'.jpg) can't be the same cv as RN's 'Hansen' in Brighton (File:RN Ulmus pumila Hansen Wilson Avenue S.D.Leisure Centre Brighton.JPG), can it? They look so different. Which is more likely to be 'Hansen'? - Ftelia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.32.51.236 (talk) 11:38, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Got it! Thank you. (Perhaps a photo of unpruned 'Hansen' should go with the article.) Thanks, too, for the 'Koopmannii' change. - Regards, Ftelia.
Hello, Ptelea. Shouldn't the house style for sections following Cultivation (i.e. Notables, Hybrids, Cultivars, Accessions, etc.) be the section heading == == rather than the subheading === === ? They're usually an aspect of Cultivation, but they aren't always (some are wild); and subheadings within sections can be useful or necessary. There is inconsistency at the moment and some needless 'correcting'. Each article could be autonomous, but future editors might find section-heading uniformity clearer, allowing subheadings where needed. - Regards, Ftelia.
Hello, Ptelea. Shouldn't 'Paul King' have a Wiki page? It's been in cultivation & marketed for five years, & (to go by RN's spreadsheet) has been planted at Kew as a cv. of U. minor. The parent tree in a newspaper photo looks U. minor. Perhaps at least as Ulmus 'Paul King', Cultivar of Unconfirmed Derivation? - Regards, Ftelia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.39.159.73 (talk) 14:47, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! Perhaps it falls into the category of elms not resistant if injected, but unattractive to scolytus nevertheless. A Wiki page might bring feedback. - Regards, Ftelia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.39.159.73 (talk) 14:07, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Ptelea! It's a putative minor x laevis hybrid, outside the Czech consulate: File:Jilmy u muzea 1.jpg. Regards, Ftelia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.39.159.73 (talk) 14:51, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, Ptelea - wasn't sure how to take an April the First glabra x laevis query! But if your correspondent could tell me which cemetery... We do have a few laevis here and lots of glabra. I've always assumed laevis doesn't hybridise, but Richens doesn't rule it out (Elm, pp.9-10). The putative Czech hybrid is actually this tree in Česká Lípa (nowhere near our consulate) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Jilmy_u_hradu_Lip%C3%BD whose leaves look straight laevis to me. Don't know why the locals have declared it laevis x minor. As for who might have been hybridising in Ed, it depends how old the tree is. The 19th-20th century Ed plantsmen specialised in ulmus, the predominant genus here, so who knows? There are actually quite a few unidentified old elms here. Both Council & commercial nurseries, & RBGE, used to get some stock from abroad, which may have added exotic genes to the pool. - Regards, Ftelia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.39.159.73 (talk) 12:30, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Ptelea. Do forward photo (my address on D's 24/1 Plot Again email), and if it's local I'll take a look. The only curiosity I know in Warriston Cem (Purpurascens & possible Elegantissima aside) is an old Horizontalis with one branch that every year produces healthy but *curled* leaves, Crispa-like. - Regards, Ftelia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.39.159.73 (talk) 13:24, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
I thought I'd take a look anyway, since that quarter is new to me & has two cemeteries and a park. Several glabras in North Merchiston Cem and two definite laevis, one buttressed, with a blue label, the other less buttressed, without a label. Plus, true to Edinburgh form, a big old unidentified elm, grafted at four feet and not one of the usual suspects. Will go back in the summer to take another look. - Regards, Ftelia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.39.159.73 (talk) 17:32, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
Hello, Ptelea. Perhaps "Possibly extinct" might be safer than "Probably extinct" for "lost" cultivars, given elms' ability to regenerate from roots and suckers, and given the vagueness of early descriptions, naming confusion, etc. Especially true of Field Elms & their hybrids, of course; e.g. for U. minor Plot, Wiki has "Like other forms of the Field Elm, however, it suckers freely and is thus not considered critically endangered", yet for U. minor Hunnybun, "reputed to have been commonly planted in the parklands and hedgerows of Essex, Cambridgeshire, and Huntingdonshire" and presumably also suckering, Wiki has "Probably extinct". Ditto Sowerby, "commonly found in the hedgerows and woods of Norfolk, Cambridgeshire, and Huntingdonshire", yet now "Probably extinct". Or were these non-suckering? And some of the Wiki "possibly extincts" are reported to survive in the Brighton collection (e.g. U. x viminalis Pulverulenta and Ulmus x hollandica Muscaviensis). On the Continent, U. glabra Monstrosa also appears (alarmingly) to have come back from the dead. - Regards, Ftelia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.39.159.73 (talk) 14:42, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Ptelea. Will amend any over-pessimistic 'probably extincts' I come across. I'm all for encouraging local enthusiasts and possible sightings, though. Your benefit of the doubt allowed me, for example, eventually to work out U. pumila Pendula and U. aff. Plotii here, where a stricter approach would have discouraged. A local enthusiast in Brighton could bring many improvements to the Elm pages. - Regards, Ftelia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.39.159.73 (talk) 18:45, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Hi Ptelea, Should accession listings be current OR current & historic? As regards the Plotii page, if current, I am doubtful the Romney Gardens tree was correctly identified, and if historic then Westonbirt trees should also be included. Is there a convention for accessions? Thank you, Tom elm (talk) 14:47, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
Hi Ptelea, I have replied to you on Ftelia's talk page here. Tom elm (talk) 08:20, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Hello, Ptelea. I've added Stanmer Park aff. Superba image from Commons because 1) such an elm in Brighton is likely to be a cultivar, 2) so distinctive a cultivar is likely to be in textbooks, 3) in form it appears to meet textbook descriptions, 4) it would have been an ideal street tree (see Elwes & Henry on Magdeburg), and 5) it is worthy of the name. No harm in putting it under Notables as provisional Superba, I think. It needn't be the main image till we have a Magdeburg picture to confirm it. - Regards, Ftelia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.39.159.73 (talk) 12:20, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Hi Ptelea,
I see you removed the citation for the 3 'Plotii' in Seyne les Aples. Do you happen to know if these trees came from one of the confirmed (Coleman) trees?
If you could reply to this message on your (ie this) talk page, then it would be easier for others to follow the thread, starting your reply with a colon and so indenting the reply.
Many thanks, Tom elm (talk) 09:08, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Hello, Ptelea. A case could be made for an U. minor 'Suberosa' page, not for ordinary forms of U. minor that develop corkiness, but for the cultivar said by Bean to be abnormally corky and dwarf. The Ulmen Handbuch accepts it, http://www.ulmen-handbuch.de/handbuch/ulmus/u_minor_suberosa.html so I added a paragraph to the Wiki U. minor page some years ago: "A form of U. minor not uncommon in central Europe, and considered sufficiently distinctive by some continental botanists to be recognised as a variety, is the so-called korkulme (Germany), korkelm (Denmark), or wiąz korkowa (Poland) - U. minor var. suberosa ((Moench) Rehder), the 'Cork-barked elm' of A. Henry, who says it "appears to be a common variety in the forests of central Europe".[39] Elwes and Henry, having seen specimens in Slavonia, Croatia, and in Gisselfelde, Denmark, as well as at Kew, describe it as having "branchlets of the second to the tenth year furnished with corky wings", but with "leaves and samarae as in the type". W. J. Bean reports it "to be often rather dwarf and to occur in dry habitats".[40] A fine specimen so labelled, with thick corky branchlets giving a dense winter silhouette, stands in the Botanic Gardens of Visby in Gotland, Sweden,[41] and others are found in the University of Copenhagen Arboretum [42] and in the Alexandru Buia Botanic Garden in the University of Craiova, Rumania.[43][44][45] R. H. Richens, however, regarded the tree as undifferentiated U. minor, not distinctive enough to merit varietal status, and the name a relic of taxonomic conservatism.[46]"
If some authorities, including Bean, believe it distinctive, if two photos show it to be so, and if it's in three botanic gardens, it's surely a cultivar, and so should have a page of its own. I think it as good a case as Goodyer's. This would also unclutter the U. minor page a bit. - Regards, Ftelia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.39.159.73 (talk) 12:22, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
Hello, Ptelea. I see variegated English Elm has been placed under Cultivars of Unknown Origin, as U. 'Argenteo-Variegata', but aren't all authorities agreed it's an English Elm sport? Shouldn't it be U. minor 'Atinia Argenteo-Variegata', by analogy with U. 'Klemmer' and U.' Klemmer Blanc', U. minor 'Microphylla' and U. minor 'Microphylla Pendula'? Surely better to risk 'invalid taxonomy' (a changeable concept) than to overrule English botanists like Bean who had seen the tree? - Regards, Ftelia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.39.159.73 (talk) 14:20, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi Ptelea,
You may have noticed I have been categorising the various Ulmus pages. Currently, I have added Category:Commercially available Elms (incorrectly capitalised and due to be renamed) and the hidden maintenance categories Category:Ulmus articles missing images and Category:Ulmus articles with images.
Apart from the above categories, some articles are members of the categories Category:Ulmaceae, Category:Ulmaceae stubs and Category:Elm cultivars but there is not one coherent category for Category:Ulmus, but there is one, for example, for Category:Zelkova.
Please may I have your thoughts on creating Category:Ulmus and / or on removing each and every Category:Ulmaceae on the Ulmus pages. Category:Ulmaceae would still exist and Category:Ulmus would logically be a sub-category of this. Zelkova, by comparison is a member of Category:Zelkova which in turn is a subcategory of Category:Ulmaceae.
Would be grateful for any comments or objections you may have.
Many thanks, Tom elm (talk) 14:44, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi, you might be interested in Buddlejaceae, a stub that I just created to try to clarify the nomenclature and phylogeny situation. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 16:30, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi Ptelea,
Thank you for your recent amends to Ulmus minor 'Plotii'.
I see you added a ((cn))
to the addition of Calceby trees to notables section. May I ask what particular aspect of this requires a source? The photograph in the gallery of same section shows the trees and as can be seen by the car on the verge, these trees are large. Would be very helpful when you add a ((cn))
that you also include a reason, eg. ((cn|reason=Your explanation here|date=March 2024))
, so that an editor may be able to satisfy the request for a source - if it is necessary. The same logic can be applied to you recent edit of Ulmus laevis and the addition of a tree at Over Wallop.
One small point about your alteration to location of the specimen from Westonbirt; Jackson states that the tree was in the parkland (between Westonbirt House and Pickard's Lodge) and Elwes & Henry state that it is the park. The park is not the arboretum and I think it is important that this is noted.
If you could reply here, rather than on my talk page, that would be very helpful so that others may be able to follow the thread.
Many thanks, Tom_elmtalk 07:34, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for your note. The Calceby trees entry should cite a reference verifying identification. I've no doubt the trees are Plot Elms, but Wikipedia doesn't allow contributions based on personal observation, which fall under Original Research. The White Elm at Over Wallop entry should have (and now does; my oversight) carry a reference, being the Botanical Society of Britain & Ireland database for north Hampshire, vc 12, entry confirmed by a qualified botanist. When is a park not an arboretum (:'a place with trees')? Longstock Park in Hants comprises mostly the arboretum, but the latter is not physically defined in any way other than by the presence of specimen trees. Wikipedia states '...Westonbirt House, became a girls' boarding school in 1927 when it was separated from the arboretum'. Regards,Ptelea (talk) 09:01, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
((cn))
would be really helpful, not just for me but for future editors.As the two late-19th century specimens in the grounds of Westonbirt House (one in the parkland between the house and Pickard's Lodge and the other in a plantation near the rectory).
, citing Jackson.Hi Ptelea,
Have undone your edit to Ulmus × hollandica 'Dauvessei'.
RN emailed that the original identifier of this tree PB, more recently advised that this tree is not 'Dauvessei', but is U. procera.
Any questions, I can forward you the email from RN.
Best, Tom_elmtalk 10:00, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
Hello, Ptelea. Well done for adding the new Poort Bulten image. This looks much more like the Edinburgh tree. - Regards, Ftelia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.39.159.73 (talk) 15:36, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
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Hello, Ptelea. You're right, of course! Will need to cut down on 'possibles'. There are still a few unidentified old elms in Edinburgh, and it sometimes helps to publicize them. Not sure about my aff. Kidbrook, though: possibly U. laevis, sadly. Photos of U. laevis bark do vary, & we have few U. laevis up here to compare. - Regards, Ftelia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.39.159.73 (talk) 13:56, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
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Hello, Ptelea. Am considering separate pages for U. x viminalis, the wild tree (like our U. x hollandica page), and for these cultivars (all in Green):- [x vim Aurea]; x vim Betulaefolia; x vim Incisa; [x vim Marginata]; x vim Pendula (= Antarctica Pendula); [x vim Pulverulenta]; x vim Stricta; x vim Viminalis. Would mean separating x vim Viminalis (the type cultivar, illustrated by Henry's viminalis leaf-diagram) from x vim Betulaefolia (these two look different). Am proposing we include Benalla as x vim Betulaefolia, and the current top picture as x vim Stricta (tree lacks the pendulousness mentioned in all other x vim descriptions.) The Leith Links tree (tree & leaf-photos recently circulated) am proposing as x vim Incisa. How does this sound? - Regards, Ftelia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.153.8.26 (talk) 13:21, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
Hello, Ptelea. - Would you consider renaming the Chichester Elm page, to avoid two Vegetas? Of the three Latin names in the Synonymy section, 'U. cestria: George Lindley, Norwich, catalogue, 1801' is the earliest, so if what Max says is right we could go with x holl 'Cestria', and (despite chronology) leave 'Vegeta' to Huntingdon, since it is now established. Also, the Chichester Elm leaf is said to be close to Huntingdon, so are we sure the current leaf picture belongs on this page? It would be good to have a reliable Chichester leaf sample. - With thanks, Ftelia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.39.159.73 (talk) 15:32, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
Hi Ptelea,
It seems as though Spath nursery sold two distinct clones; 'Umbraculifera' and another called 'Turkestanica' Regel in their catalogue of 1902-3, these two are currently lumped together on the 'Umbraculifera' page.
I suggest we create a new page: Ulmus 'Turkestanica' (for the Spath clone, I'm not sure yet if we know if it is likely U. minor) and to avoid confusion, we rename Ulmus pumila 'Turkestan' to Ulmus pumila 'Pinnato-ramosa' as this was the name by which it was first known and under which it is listed in many arboreta.
Any thoughts or comments you have would be gratefully received!
Many thanks, Tom_elmtalk 11:36, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
PS. if you could reply here please, it would help others follow the thread.
Hello both, just to clarify, here are the rules as regards cultivar names:
Brickell; et al. (October 2009). "21.5-21.6". International Code of Nomenclature for Cultivated Plants (PDF) (8 ed.). p. 26.
Best, Tom_elmtalk 10:33, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
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Hello, Ptelea. Was your Dauvessei edit "However, there remains no record of its acquisition by the Royal Botanic Garden Edinburgh, which is known to have planted exotic elm cultivars across the city at the beginning of the 20th century" based solely on the 1902 Spath list? There were later early-20th century RBGE-Edinburgh acquisitions. - Regards, Ftelia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.39.159.73 (talk) 11:19, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
Hello, Ptelea. - Re your Rugosa query, the plan is to open a new page for Spath's U campestris [= U minor] Rugosa, probably calling the page U Rugosa (as we know so little about it), and to leave the two (?) wych Rugosa in Green on the U glabra Rugosa page (Brighton source assures me Brighton Rugosa is wych). All in hand. - Regards, Ftelia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.39.159.73 (talk) 16:29, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
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Hi Ptelea,
We have five lists of elms which have a fair bit of duplication:
I see that the user @Kevmin: suggested merging List of Elm species with List of Elm species, varieties, cultivars and hybrids which I think is a good idea, so long as we don't lose any information along the way.
What can we do to reduce duplication in the remaining lists (say, via merging) and what are your thoughts regarding this?
I'd more than happily undertake any merging as and when time permits.
Best, Tom_elmtalk 15:18, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
Hello Ptelea,
You added Cambridge Botanic Garden to the accessions list on U. 'Viminalis' back in 2007.
Do you happen to remember where you found this info please?
Best, Tom_elmtalk 10:17, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
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78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 04:28, 24 September 2017 (UTC)Hi Ptelea,
Should the content of Ulmus × notha be merged to Ulmus × intermedia?
We lack references for the Ulmus × notha page, though I think I recall seeing U. x notha mentioned in an U. x intermedia paper.
Likewise, the 'Coolshade' & 'Fremont' pages would then be moved to U. x intermedia 'Coolshade' and U. x intermedia 'Fremont' as per convention with say U. x hollandica cultivars.
Best, Tom_elmtalk 11:34, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
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Hi. I can see where you are coming from regarding the edits to the Peter Collins (racing driver) page results table. However, this isn't the format we use at Wikipedia, for a couple of reasons. Firstly, these tables are for recording the outcome of the race. Harsh as it may seem, what happened after he crashed out of the race is irrelevant, so far as the race and historic records are concerned he is a 'retirement' only. Secondly, in any case to say that his retirement was caused by his death is wrong. Both his death and his retirement from the race – two separate events – were caused by one primary event: his crash. There are a very few cases where a driver's death results in them not finishing a race (see Denny Hulme's last race, for example) but Collins is not one of these. Either way, we do not record reasons for retirement in these results tables; those details are better covered in the page prose section, and this is especially true if the driver died. I see you have noted the additional footnote at the Luigi Musso page, but this is placed in addition to the race result (i.e. 'Ret') and in any case it shouldn't really be there, per the reasons given above. Plenty more drivers do not have any note in the table, and some of these were much more high profile than either Collins or Musso (e.g. Ayrton Senna; Wolfgang von Trips; Jochen Rindt; Jim Clark). Pyrope 15:13, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for your kind comments and your edits. Though I love French music, and know a bit about some composers such as Fauré and Ravel, I'm really no expert on Debussy and any further contributions, comments and improvements will be gratefully received. Thank you, too, for a neat compromise over "get". We must agree to differ on the word. I was scared off it by my primary schoolteachers, but later came to the view that it was good enough for Chaucer, Shakespeare and even God (or at any rate the writers of the King James Bible) and so was good enough for me. But we don't need to cross swords over this. Best wishes. Tim riley talk 18:34, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Hello, Ptelea. Good question. It is, but mostly in Citations, as "reported from", rather than under Accessions. I've urged its compiler to make corrections, to distinguish conjectures with (?), to add locations, to update losses where possible, and to expand his gallery https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ulmus_Brighton_PB. I'm accepting new research elms as probably based on inside info, treating as "putative" elms supported by convincing photos and historical probability, querying the old cultivars if not likely, and deleting anything that sounds Melvillean and intrinsically unscientific. Regards, 193.39.159.73. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.39.159.73 (talk) 09:43, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
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The article Buddleja davidii 'SMBDPB' = Merry Magic Orchid has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja 'Thai beauty' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Three in One' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Pink Beauty' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Gail's Pink' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Lavender Ice Cream' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Shapcott Blue' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Charlbury Station' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Shapcott Violet' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja 'Ingeborg' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Glokosa' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Lavender Beauty' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Grefoj' = Fourth of July has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Consensus has been established via discussion at WP:PLANTS and previous AfDs/PRODs that individual cultivars are not presumed notable in the same way as natural species, and must meet GNG to have a standalone article. Database and commercial catalog entries are not considered sufficient for this purpose. I found no independent coverage of this plant, which isn't even a cultivar, it's just a name for selling three plants together in a pot.
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Wine' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Consensus has been established via discussion at WP:PLANTS and previous AfDs/PRODs that individual cultivars are not presumed notable in the same way as natural species, and must meet GNG to have a standalone article. Database and commercial catalog entries are not considered sufficient for this purpose. The mention in Dirr is a single sentence. I found no significant independent coverage of this cultivar.
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The article Buddleja fallowiana 'AGS China Expedition' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Consensus has been established via discussion at WP:PLANTS and previous AfDs/PRODs that individual cultivars are not presumed notable in the same way as natural species, and must meet GNG to have a standalone article. Database and commercial catalog entries are not considered sufficient for this purpose, and the cited source is about the China expedition, not the cultivar. I found no independent coverage of this cultivar.
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The article Buddleja davidii 'White Spread' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Consensus has been established via discussion at WP:PLANTS and previous AfDs/PRODs that individual cultivars are not presumed notable in the same way as natural species, and must meet GNG to have a standalone article. Database and commercial catalog entries are not considered sufficient for this purpose. The Hatch book is a comprehensive work that attempts to compile and list all cultivars, so I consider it database-equivalent as it is not selective. I found no independent significant coverage of this cultivar.
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Snowbank' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Consensus has been established via discussion at WP:PLANTS and previous AfDs/PRODs that individual cultivars are not presumed notable in the same way as natural species, and must meet GNG to have a standalone article. Database and commercial catalog entries are not considered sufficient for this purpose. The Hatch book is a comprehensive work that attempts to compile and list all cultivars, so I consider it database-equivalent as it is not selective. The Dirr entry is a trivial name-only mention. I found no independent significant coverage of this cultivar.
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The article Buddleja 'Hotblackiana' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Consensus has been established via discussion at WP:PLANTS and previous AfDs/PRODs that individual cultivars are not presumed notable in the same way as natural species, and must meet GNG to have a standalone article. Database and commercial catalog entries are not considered sufficient for this purpose. The Hatch source is comprehensive/unselective and not detailed, so I consider it database-level. The RHS source is a trivial mention and I found no other coverage of this cultivar that is both significant and independent.
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The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Buddleja globosa 'Lemon Ball' until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Southcombe Blue' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja 'Salmon Spheres' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Foxtail' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja 'Raspberry Eyes' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Consensus has been established via discussion at WP:PLANTS and previous AfDs/PRODs that individual cultivars are not presumed notable in the same way as natural species, and must meet GNG to have a standalone article. Database and commercial catalog entries are not considered sufficient for this purpose. I found no SIGCOV of this cultivar.
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Panache' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Consensus has been established via discussion at WP:PLANTS and previous AfDs/PRODs that individual cultivars are not presumed notable in the same way as natural species, and must meet GNG to have a standalone article. Database and commercial catalog entries (like the cited Longstock list) are not considered sufficient for this purpose. The Stuart entry is a scant paragraph; I found no WP:SIGCOV coverage of this cultivar.
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Summer Skies' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Consensus has been established via discussion at WP:PLANTS and previous AfDs/PRODs that individual cultivars are not presumed notable in the same way as natural species, and must meet GNG to have a standalone article. Patent applications, database and commercial catalog entries are not considered sufficient for this purpose. I found no WP:SIGCOV of this cultivar.
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Niche's Choice' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Consensus has been established via discussion at WP:PLANTS and previous AfDs/PRODs that individual cultivars are not presumed notable in the same way as natural species, and must meet GNG to have a standalone article. Database and commercial catalog entries are not considered sufficient for this purpose. I found no WP:SIGCOV of this cultivar: the Stuart entry is only a short paragraph (not SIGCOV).
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Lilac Moon' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Cornwall Blue' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Salicifolia' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja lindleyana 'Miss Virie' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja × intermedia 'Insignis' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Consensus has been established via discussion at WP:PLANTS and previous AfDs/PRODs that individual cultivars are not presumed notable in the same way as natural species, and must meet GNG to have a standalone article. Database and commercial catalog entries are not considered sufficient for this purpose. I found no WP:SIGCOV of this cultivar. Sources cited in the article don't meet the SIGCOV threshold: Hatch is a comprehensive listing of cultivar names & doesn't go in-depth on any. Haven't been able to review Carriere. New York Botanical Garden is a trivial mention, and Stuart is a scant paragraph.
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Shire Blue' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja marrubiifolia 'Presidio' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Flaming Violet' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja davidii 'White Harlequin' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Dubonnet' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Fromow's Purple' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Consensus has been established via discussion at WP:PLANTS and previous AfDs/PRODs that individual cultivars are not presumed notable in the same way as natural species, and must meet GNG to have a standalone article. Database and commercial catalog entries are not considered sufficient for this purpose. I was only able to check the Hatch and Thomas sources cited (the others were not available online), but neither was substantive. From what I can tell from the RHS The Garden index for 1976, the article appears to be short (only 1 page mentioned in the index) and several B. davidii cultivars are listed on the same page, so I can't imagine the coverage is substantive about any. Therefore even if Gardener's Chronicle is SIGCOV (which I doubt based on history), there isn't enough to substantiate a GNG pass.
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Windy Hill' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Consensus has been established via discussion at WP:PLANTS and previous AfDs/PRODs that individual cultivars are not presumed notable in the same way as natural species, and must meet GNG to have a standalone article. Database and commercial catalog entries are not considered sufficient for this purpose. I found no WP:SIGCOV of this cultivar. Stuart is a scant paragraph, Hatch is a comprehensive database-like listing with no detail, and Dirr is pretty short from what I can tell from the snippet. It's not sufficient for GNG.
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The article Buddleja × hybrida 'Eva Dudley' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Princeton Purple' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Greenway's River Dart' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja davidii 'White Cloud' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Consensus has been established via discussion at WP:PLANTS and previous AfDs/PRODs that individual cultivars are not presumed notable in the same way as natural species, and must meet GNG to have a standalone article. Database and commercial catalog entries are not considered sufficient for this purpose. I found no WP:SIGCOV of this cultivar. Hatch is a database-like listing of plant names without substantial coverage. Stuart is a scant paragraph. Unclear what source 3 is supposed to be as it's dead and no context is given from the URL. Moore is a commercial listing of plants available at a nursery.
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The article Buddleja colvilei 'Kewensis' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja 'Mayford Purple' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Purple Friend' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Tobudpipur' = Buzz Magenta has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja × weyeriana 'Moonlight' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja davidii 'White Profusion' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja 'Podaras7' = Flutterby Flow Mauve Pink has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Monum' = Nanho Purple has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Royal Red' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Consensus has been established via discussion at WP:PLANTS and previous AfDs/PRODs that individual cultivars are not presumed notable in the same way as natural species, and must meet GNG to have a standalone article. Database and commercial catalog entries are not considered sufficient for this purpose. I found no WP:SIGCOV of this cultivar. Hatch doesn't get into detail, RHS trials are primary/not sigcov, RHS plantfinder is a commercial database. Gillman, Dirr, and Stuart are all a scant few sentences, and I couldn't find RHS's New Encyclopedia to verify. Overall it doesn't add up to sigcov.
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The article Buddleja × wardii has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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The article Buddleja davidii 'Fascination' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Consensus has been established via discussion at WP:PLANTS and previous AfDs/PRODs that individual cultivars are not presumed notable in the same way as natural species, and must meet GNG to have a standalone article. Database and commercial catalog entries are not considered sufficient for this purpose. I found no WP:SIGCOV of this cultivar. Hillier is a biological dictionary with no detail, Hatch also doesn't get into detail, Stuart is a short paragraph, Affeld doesn't even mention the cultivar, and Moore is a commercial listing.
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The article Buddleja 'Pink Delight' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Consensus has been established via discussion at WP:PLANTS and previous AfDs/PRODs that individual cultivars are not presumed notable in the same way as natural species, and must meet GNG to have a standalone article. Database and commercial catalog entries are not considered sufficient for this purpose. I found no WP:SIGCOV of this cultivar. Hatch doesn't get into detail, RHS trials are primary/not sigcov, RHS plant selector is a commercial database, Stuart is a scant paragraph, Rutgers is a trivial mention, Moore is a commercial listing, and the Oregon list is primary/not sigcov.
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The article Buddleja × weyeriana 'Sungold' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Consensus has been established via discussion at WP:PLANTS and previous AfDs/PRODs that individual cultivars are not presumed notable in the same way as natural species, and must meet GNG to have a standalone article. Database and commercial catalog entries are not considered sufficient for this purpose. None of the references contain any independent in-depth coverage of this cultivar, and I found none on a search.
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The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Buddleja 'Asian Moon' until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
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The article Buddleja Lo & Behold 'Blue Chip Jr' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Consensus has been established via discussion at WP:PLANTS and previous AfDs/PRODs that individual cultivars are not presumed notable in the same way as natural species, and must meet GNG to have a standalone article. Database and commercial catalog entries are not considered sufficient for this purpose. I found no independent WP:SIGCOV of this cultivar - the NCSU source is the developer, so it is not independent and cannot support notability.
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The article Buddleja Lo & Behold 'Pink Micro Chip' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Consensus has been established via discussion at WP:PLANTS and previous AfDs/PRODs that individual cultivars are not presumed notable in the same way as natural species, and must meet GNG to have a standalone article. Database and commercial catalog entries are not considered sufficient for this purpose. I found no independent WP:SIGCOV of this cultivar - the NCSU source is the developer, so it is not independent and cannot support notability.
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The article Buddleja Lo & Behold 'Lilac Chip' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Consensus has been established via discussion at WP:PLANTS and previous AfDs/PRODs that individual cultivars are not presumed notable in the same way as natural species, and must meet GNG to have a standalone article. Database and commercial catalog entries are not considered sufficient for this purpose. I found no independent WP:SIGCOV of this cultivar - the NCSU source is the developer, so it is not independent and cannot support notability.
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The article Buddleja Lo & Behold 'Ice Chip' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Consensus has been established via discussion at WP:PLANTS and previous AfDs/PRODs that individual cultivars are not presumed notable in the same way as natural species, and must meet GNG to have a standalone article. Database and commercial catalog entries are not considered sufficient for this purpose. I found no independent WP:SIGCOV of this cultivar - the NCSU source is the developer, so it is not independent and cannot support notability.
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The article Buddleja Lo & Behold 'Purple Haze' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Consensus has been established via discussion at WP:PLANTS and previous AfDs/PRODs that individual cultivars are not presumed notable in the same way as natural species, and must meet GNG to have a standalone article. Database and commercial catalog entries are not considered sufficient for this purpose. I found no independent WP:SIGCOV of this cultivar - the Dennis Werner of NCSU is the developer, so sources from them are not independent and cannot support notability.
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The article Buddleja 'Podaras8' = Flutterby Petite Blue Heaven has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Consensus has been established via discussion at WP:PLANTS and previous AfDs/PRODs that individual cultivars are not presumed notable in the same way as natural species, and must meet GNG to have a standalone article. Database and commercial catalog entries are not considered sufficient for this purpose. I found no WP:SIGCOV of this cultivar.
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The article Buddleja 'Miss Molly' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Consensus has been established via discussion at WP:PLANTS and previous AfDs/PRODs that individual cultivars are not presumed notable in the same way as natural species, and must meet GNG to have a standalone article. Database and commercial catalog entries are not considered sufficient for this purpose. I found no WP:SIGCOV of this cultivar.
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The article Buddleja 'Miss Ruby' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Consensus has been established via discussion at WP:PLANTS and previous AfDs/PRODs that individual cultivars are not presumed notable in the same way as natural species, and must meet GNG to have a standalone article. Database and commercial catalog entries are not considered sufficient for this purpose. I found no WP:SIGCOV of this cultivar.
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The article Buddleja Lo & Behold 'Blue Chip' has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Consensus has been established via discussion at WP:PLANTS and previous AfDs/PRODs that individual cultivars are not presumed notable in the same way as natural species, and must meet GNG to have a standalone article. Database and commercial catalog entries are not considered sufficient for this purpose. I found no WP:SIGCOV of this cultivar.
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The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ulmus 'Rageth' until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
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Trainsandotherthings (talk) 23:42, 2 September 2022 (UTC)