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This article is far too Christian centric. There shold be no need to say things like "according to Moslems" is an article called 'Jesus in Islam'. It constantly assumes knowledge of Christian ideas and distinguishes Islamic ideas from them.
Surely it would be better to provide some actual information about what is said and done by Jesus in the Koran some Moslem viewpoints.
Comparing and contrasting the different religious takes on Jesus is a valid subject for a separate article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.150.177.249 (talk) 12:25, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Hence, why Wikipedia will never be neutral or a trust-worthy source. 1907AbsoluTurk (talk) 18:43, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
Adam | ||||
Noah | ||||
Ibrahim (Abraham) | ||||
Ishmael | Ishac (Issac) | |||
Adnan (b.122 BC) | Yaqub (Jacob) | |||
Abdul Muttalib | Musa(Moses) | Isa (Jesus) | ||
Abadullah (d.570 AD) | Abu Talib (d.620AD) | |||
Muhammad (d.632AD)6 | ||||
Fatima (d.11 AH) | Ali (d.661 AD) | |||
Hasan, Husayn (d.680AD) |
Ok, I moved the family tree diagram here so we can work on it. From what little I know, I believe this *does* accurately reflect the way Islam views the lines of ancestry/authority, so I hope we can add it back after working on it here. The reference supplied above is the site Do believe that prophet Moses, Jesus & Muhammad are descended from Abraham ?
By the way, I looked at the source, and I could not find any diagram, nor could I find the dates. If we are able to improve it, perhaps we could make a template out of it and use it on the rest of the articles for each of these people as well. (On the other hand, we may not technically NEED a source as long as the Wiki articles themselves have sources for date of death and interpreted line of descent. I will look for appropriate policy on similar "overview" tables like this one; things written in WP:Summary style do not always have to be as rigorously sourced as the thing they are summarizing.) -- Joren (talk) 07:41, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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Thanks, Joren, For understanding the issue and efforts made to present something useful.
Image created by you is perfect, similar to image I tried to develop in talk page of Muhammad.The only point to improve is the link shown between Abdul mutalib and Abdullah ,Abi Talib should be hard line in place of dotted as they are direct descendent. Box for Isa to be shifted slightly up, such that the time difference between Abdul mutalib and Isa , can be evident. Hope after making these changes , the image will be depicting the information in better way and easy to understand in a single glance. Thanks again for interest shown,--Md iet (talk) 03:36, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Right one looks better,consuming less space. Link between Isa and Jacob is not correct. It should be dotted . If we put Maryam in between ,it will be further convincing. There should be one step gape between Moses and Maryam .Adnan can be deleted.Further one step gape between Maryam and Abdul mutalib.Link between Isa and Maryam to be hard one.Let the total length of Image increase,but it will be correct . We can limit upto Muhammad.Abi talib,ali,fatema,husain can also be deleted to make tree specific for prophets .--Md iet (talk) 12:06, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
In the Islam 6 prophets are known to be prominent,these are Adam,Noah,Ibrahim,Musa,Isa and last Muhammad in the sequence of their happening. Althoug all prophets have their importance of own as depicted in Quran,butfor the purpose of depicting harmony of religion in short this would be sufficient,as the topic/sub topic is religion based. The other personalities/prophets are included as these would help everybody to understand link easily ,as these personalities are also well known amongst religion . hence for Muhammad,abadullah, Abdul mutalib and Ismael would be sufficient, Musa and Isa has link through Jacob and Ishaq . For Isa a special link is through Maryam only, and Maryam has a special place in heart of all religion,will enhance the cause.Hope this answer the selection part of query ,which other readers have also raised.
Regarding link Hard/dotted link shown between Isa and Jacob,in your left picture message is clear,but in the right image ,the common connecting line is so short that there is possibility of ambiquity which I also misjudged, which to be avoided if we can. Thanks again for interest shown.--Md iet (talk) 03:29, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Very good ,now we have image depicting the interconnection of prominent prophets,time gradient in between and link to main Wiki articles and it is also easy to understand at a glance. Any further suggestion are welcome,hope we are ready for inclusion of the matter in the article.--Md iet (talk) 07:22, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
It is a good idea to show six prophets amongst all, but it will become too cumbersome ,that the purpose as pointed out by Joren and the message of harmony in the religion, we want to convey from the image will be also get hidden. Let us begin with developing new template for six and add a 'see also' link to main template, anyway thanks Carter for showing the interest in the subject.--Md iet (talk) 03:12, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Sorry All, I couldn't participate further as I was blocked by some dear and also outstation. As there is no further siuggestion on the tree, let us include the last tree prepared by you Joren, and may title as 'Six prominent Prophets of Islam' if all agree.--Md iet (talk) 08:06, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
I feel 'prominent' word is important as everybody will ask why six only. These six are more or less accepted in Islam as prominent hence we may think for 'Six prominent Islamic prophets' as compromise. Hope there is agreement on it for go.--Md iet (talk) 06:59, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Six prophets shown in green are prominent prophets without any dispute. The linking personalities/prophets are important to show and understand family link better. Please take it not as choice of any one, but choice to make the point of view get home.--Md iet (talk) 03:32, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
You are not responding to my objections. Please tell me hat Islamic authorities dispute the status of the other prophets? Slrubenstein | Talk 14:39, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
I removed the diagram because we still have not reached consensus and you have not yet responded to the objections. What matters for this article is that Muslims see Jesus as a prophet. What is your source for "six generations of prophets?" First, these are not six generations - Jesus and Mohammed are separated by many generations. Secondly, these are not linked by descent - Jesus was not a descendant of Moses, and Mohammed was not a descendent of Jesus. Third, Islam recognizes more than six prophets. This chart is of your own invention and seems to be promoting your own POV. It violates WP:NOR and moreover does not add to this article. Let's focus on Islamic views of Jesus. Slrubenstein | Talk 14:45, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
FYI: File talk:Virgin Mary and Jesus (old Persian miniature).jpg on the page image. History2007 (talk) 23:04, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
I type ISA in wikipedia and I get this junk page. There are more definitions for ISA than this junk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.25.65.82 (talk) 12:59, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
I think from memory, the substitution interpretation stems from only a small number of early scholarly sources such as Ibn Kathir. If someone is familiar with the early sources, could these sources please be included into the "Substitution Interpretation" section? Daniel De Mol (talk) 03:29, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
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I removed the banner which was put by User:Toddy1. I think the article has enough secondary sources, and to my knowledge religious texts are alread available in the primary source, the Quran, and I am not sure why and what should be critically exhamined. The banner seems to hide a skeptics bias.--Tomcat (7) 15:25, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
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The new template:'Isa is a duplicate of an older version of template:Isa, we had a discussion back in January 2013 in template_talk:Isa about how an appropriate template should look like, and according to that discussion we changed the template to the current version (template:Isa). Do we need to discuss everything again?
wp manual of style, Wikipedia:Template_namespace#Usage, line 14, clearly states that:
"Templates should not do the work of article content in the main article namespace; instead, place the text directly into the article."
We don’t need to argue if we stick to the rules. Kiatdd (talk) 06:30, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
I noticed that someone slipped in the notion that "Ruhullah" in the Qur'an refers to Jesus. Every classic mufassir of which I know reports that the majority views this as referring to the Ruh as Gabriel; the notion that it refers to Jesus is a ploy by Copts and Christian missionaries who seek to claim that the Qur'an supports Christian doctrine.
The fact that the source for this claim is Answering Islam should make that clear. Answering Islam is a bigoted hate site, and thus a complete violation of WP:RS, making the removal of this material even more pertinent. I trust that there won't be any opposition to this removal; the fact that the claim has remained here, with a blatantly bigoted, Islamophobic site as the source, is a bit surprising. MezzoMezzo (talk) 20:13, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
The Ahmadia view section clearly appears to be an original research, and the section does not cite any source even after the citation tag was given long ago. There is one primary citation but without any specification and hadith number, and that seems dubious. Now the section should be removed as per WP:NOR.--AsceticRosé 14:48, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi everyone. I’m new to Wikipedia and have published on the subject of this article. I think that what has been written brings out many excellent points, though I am concerned that it presently is listed by Wikipedia as having “multiple issues”. I am reading though the article now and want to discuss a few changes. I am not a Muslim, but concerned that there be no Christian polemic in the article.
First, I want to suggest revisions to these two sentences: “The belief in Jesus (and all other messengers of God) is required in Islam. The Quran mentions Jesus by name twenty-five times, while it only mentions Muhammad by name four times as Muhammad and once as Ahmad; making it a total of five times.”
a. “belief in” could lead to some mistaken notions about the nature of belief between Islam and Christianity. To be more accurate, I think we should say, “The belief that Jesus is a prophet is required in Islam, as it is for all prophets named in the Qur’an.” b. Noting that Jesus is mentioned many more times than Muhammad sounds to me like a little bit of Christian polemic – and misses the point that Jesus is important in Islam, but is far from the only important prophet. I suggest referring more fairly to the representation of Jesus in the Qur’an: “This is reflected by the fact that he is clearly a significant figure in the Qur’an (appearing in 93 ayas [or, verses]), though Noah, Adam and Moses appear with even greater frequency.” c. So the new passage would say: “The belief that Jesus is a prophet is required in Islam, as it is for all prophets named in the Qur’an.” This is reflected by the fact that he is clearly a significant figure in the Qur’an (appearing in 93 ayas [or, verses]), though Noah, Adam and Moses appear with even greater frequency.”
How do you feel about these two proposed revisions? (Gabarker) Gabarker (talk) 09:01, 4 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabarker (talk • contribs) 08:56, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Ascetic Rose! I can provide the source (Jesus 93 passages, Moses 502, Abraham 245 and Noah 131) it is from the Oxford University Text, "Jesus Beyond Christianity: The Classic Texts" (2010) from the essay "Muslim Perceptions of Jesus: Key Issues" page 84. The book's editors are Gregory A. Barker and Stephen E. Gregg. I really feel it would be great to give this kind of context given the polemical arguments around this issue. What do you think? Gabarker (talk) 14:21, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
The Quran actually states that Jesus was not crucified, but exchanged with someone "resembling".
In The Bible, Jesus Bar Abba, is released, and who they cry out for. Jesus Bar Abba, means Jesus Of The Father. Pilate is also in Josephus staging deceptions, having his soldiers dress as jews, and do various things. :)
The later part of The Bible that talks of Jesus grave, actually has a big tomb, like a pharao, for Jesus. Maybe they thought he was like a pharao, a priest of Ptah, which was the ancient egyptian branch of Yah.
Peace Be With You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.211.129.189 (talk) 14:29, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
This orange-tagged article has multiple issues that have not been addressed for months. This article contains original research and analysis of primary sources, thus failing to pass criteria 2c.--FutureTrillionaire (talk) 03:50, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
Result: delisted. It's been a week. There doesn't appear to be much interest in fixing these issues.--FutureTrillionaire (talk) 14:22, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Some editors ,who are not aware of the fact that according to muslims Jesus foretold the coming of Prophet of Islam, are removing/reverting/editing the content which shows this. I would like to ask these said editors to kindly read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraclete. (Yes I added link instead of blue text). Thank you for your help in this article, just make sure you are not deleting sourced information.FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 03:44, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
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On the page there is a controversy of WHETHER PROPHET Muhammad (saw) or Prophet Jesus (as) IS SUPERIOR THIS IS AN ARGUMENT WITH NO POINT OF BEING IN AN ARTICLE LIKE THIS AND THE QURAN SAYS Say (O Muhammad SAW): "We believe in Allah and in what has been sent down to us, and what was sent down to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob) and Al-Asbat [the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)] and what was given to Musa (Moses), 'Iesa (Jesus) and the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between one another among them and to Him (Allah) we have submitted (in Islam)." so since we don't make distinctions amongst them such an argument is not considered correct as it goes against A statement of the Quran. 119.159.180.239 (talk) 16:27, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
the user of the Ip adress 78.145.24.153 has included the spirit of god as a title for Jesus if this is the Holy Spirit you are talking about which it is a link to I am pretty sure that is Hazrat Jibrael please fix this page the count and Jesus in Islam if i am correct.
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The page has a sort of an argument about Prophet Muhammad (saw) and Prophet Jesus (as) fighting over which one of them is superior however the Quran clearly states in chapter three verse eighty four that Say (O Muhammad SAW): "We believe in Allah and in what has been sent down to us, and what was sent down to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob) and Al-Asbat [the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)] and what was given to Musa (Moses), 'Iesa (Jesus) and the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between one another among them and to Him (Allah) we have submitted (in Islam)." so this is a useless argument given that no distinction between the prophets should be made and then it gives what I think is an improper reference which I think is reference 15 which does not fit FROM WHAT I HAVE READ the category of Islamic tradition and it seems like the authors words and opinion ALSO THE PAGE CALLS JESUS SPIRIT OF GOD WHICH IS A LINK TO THE HOLY SPIRIT WHICH IN ISLAM IS AS FAR AS I KNOW I REPEAT AS FAR AS I KNOW ANGEL GABREIL (AS) SO I THINK THE PAGE DOES NEED CORRECTING SO PLEASE FIX IT IT ALSO USES WEBSITES AS SOURCES WHEN THE SOURCES OF THOSE WEBSITES SHOULD BE DISCOVERED AND CHECKED. YARN BALL B (talk) 16:31, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Oshwah (talk) please notice the manner in which the anonymous individual has trolled this article and my talk page (see history / prev ) and never offers any assistance or suggested citations, but simply deletes talk discussions and edited work at the article. How can one block an i.p. address that is harassing others? I hardly think this individual is performing "good faith edits" that you've reverted. -- HafizHanif (talk) 06:08, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
This article reads less like an academic piece and more like a theological presentation. There are also very few citations considering the length of the article. Can somebody tackle this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mctaviix (talk • contribs) 20:09, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
Finished writing a more concise introduction sans primary sources, adding ample citations, keeping to the traditional / popular / mainstream view of the article's subject. Please let me know if anything needs further clarification or attention. I'll be doing a similar effort with the rest of the article, one portion at a time. -- HafizHanif (talk) 03:56, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
182.188.206.20 (talk), I appreciate your contribution and removal of unsourced content. Please feel free to delete content that has those "citation neeeded" tags, or provide the citation to keep the content. Remember, if one is going to quote or mentioned primary sources ( Quran, for example ), a second or third source ( published material by a scholar, historian, etc. ) needs to include where that phrase or verse from the Quran exists. -- HafizHanif (talk) 17:43, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
It says casting out demons etc were his miracles please confirm whether this miracle is mentioned in the Quran or a reliable source sherlock has talked about other content that worries him on his talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.157.46.113 (talk) 07:47, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
Not sure how others who watch this page feel about making this page more secure, or if that would be possible considering its current low rating, but I sure am getting tired of reverting vandalism. -- HafizHanif (talk) 23:06, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Article cites Gospel of Barnabas, which is widely accepted to be a historical fraud due a large amount of anachronisms. This is supported in Gospel of Barnabas wiki page, with a list of incongruities listed here. A disclaimer mentioning it's general lack of reputability as a source, along with another one listing that it is not part of canonical gospel would be most representative of its authority among Christians, and most Muslim scholars.
91.196.10.4 (talk) 20:46, 28 June 2016 (UTC)Chris
Virginal birth? The Quran does indeed say: 19.17. She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent her Our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.211.164.8 (talk) 16:33, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
user:Surtsicna, the citation actually mentions an early Islamic source that mentions baptism. -- HafizHanif (talk) 01:07, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
“The close in time work of al-Masudi (d. 956), The Meadows of Gold (Muruj al-dahab), reveals a rather extensive knowledge of the biblical Gospels, as well as other Christian sources. He refers to Jesus' birth on 24 December, his calling of the four evangelists as disciples, his baptism, his miracles and his passion...” - page 64, Images of Jesus Christ in Islam: 2nd Edition, by Oddbjorn Leirvik
This page is constantly being butchered by trolls, and maybe a few well-intended individuals, who delete what is clearly cited from experts on the topic for an opiniated version of reality. This constant annoyance is quite discouraging to those who have taken a good amount of time in digging up cited material to restore this article (which held a higher classification before it fell to the dogs).
I'd like to ask for a consensus to lock this article in order to keep its current integrity. -- HafizHanif (talk) 23:22, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
Hello @Swingoswingo:, would you object if I were to restore the uncited content you recently deleted if I found their sources? I know they exist somewhere, I haven't had time to dig them up. -- HafizHanif (talk) 21:38, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
@Khaire Nuh:, taking a closer look at the sentence structure, how about this edit:
Current
Despite the earliest Muslim traditions and exegesis quoting somewhat conflicting reports regarding death and length of death, the mainstream Muslim belief is that Jesus did not suffer death, but was instead raised alive to heaven without having been resurrected first.
Your suggestion
Despite the earliest Muslim traditions and exegesis quoting somewhat conflicting reports regarding death and length of death, the mainstream Muslim belief is that Jesus did not suffer death and hence nor was resurrected, but was instead raised alive to heaven.
Perhaps a clearer and simpler description
Despite the earliest Muslim traditions and exegesis quoting somewhat conflicting reports regarding death and length of death, the mainstream Muslim belief is that Jesus did not physically die, but was instead raised alive to heaven.
Your thoughts? -- HafizHanif (talk) 16:42, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
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In the continued effort to resurrect Islamic articles that have been overrun by overzealous, although well-intended, sub-standard editors and anonymous visitors, I continue to remove (or cite) claims and statements that fail to meet Wikipedia standards.
I ask for help in finding proper citations where needed.
This article has been classified as poorly edited / written due to so many unfounded claims and poor support to claims or ideas.
Perhaps someone who is able to bring more attention to the current condition can have the article reevaluated and thus reclassified.
I recently performed two edits in the hope to better define Islam's ideas of Jesus as they are understood and interpreted from the Quran and religious tradition by scholars of the ideology. I removed quite a bit of self-published works, but left some citations that look similar to self-published efforts or from a religious publishing effort (but contain overt polemics).
Stressing (again) the importance of 2nd and 3rd sources beyond the primary text of the Quran to future editors. -- HafizHanif (talk) 22:07, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
I have not followed this page or have overlooked edits in some time, and recently began looking over it. I notice some simple typographical errors left by previous editors, and some important information having been removed or rewritten to fit ideas not typically found in Islamic scholarship, but more legendary. Lots of people adding their two-cents while not including citation. I'd like to request page protection in order to discourage vandalism, anonymous religious edits, and otherwise good-will attempts that have to be constantly reverted. It would be great to have this page protected while it is refined, citations found and added. -- HafizHanif (talk) 16:37, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
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In the Childhood section. "The Quran does not include the tradition of the Flight into Egypt, though sūra XXIII, 52 could conceivably allude to it: “And we made the son of Maryam and his mother a sign; and we made them abide in an elevated place, full of quiet and watered with springs”." The correct number of the ayat for this quote is 50 not 52. The page should be corrected to "though sūra XXIII, 50" AndyTheMadChemist (talk) 15:38, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
is used twice in the [locked] article, in consecutive sections with slightly different captions. Gave me Hermitage flashbacks, really. Someone with privileges please correct accordingly. The sections are Birth Narratives, and Childhood, respectively.2620:22:4000:1201:1686:B1AC:6933:9915 (talk) 02:58, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
This article in the side box lists Jesus' birth date as "4 BC". That's wrong and it needs to be corrected.<ref]Molnar, Michael, The Star of Bethlehem: The Legacy of the Magi</ref]. If a scholar doesn't want to accept April 17, 6 BC as definitive, then they'll say 7-4 BC. 73.85.207.148 (talk) 15:15, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
Hello! I made some changes to the lead which was reverted, but looking back I think my edit made the article better, not worse. The first paragraph is very spare currently. It seems logical to me that the second-coming of Jesus should be mentioned in the lead due to it's significance, and right now that detail is buried. My grammar was also cited as poor (which I disagree with), but I don't think that warrants revert to the prior version. In my opinion, the current writing style does not have the preferable encyclopedic tone; it sounds more like a narrative. I appreciate any other opinions/input!--Pythagimedes (talk) 00:35, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
MOS:HON guides us to remove honorifics from running text in most places, but some uses are OK. Because the infobox here specifically has a field for "honorifix-suffix" it is OK to include the "PBUH" in order to demonstrate its existence. Elizium23 (talk) 16:43, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
Where an honorific is so commonly attached to a name that the name is rarely found in English reliable sources without it, it should be included. For example, the honorific may be included for Mother Teresa. Where a female historical figure is consistently referred to using the name of her husband and her birth name is unknown. For example, an honorific may be used for "Mrs. Alfred Jones". The prenominals Sir, Dame, Lord and Lady are discussed in § Knighthoods, lordships, and similar honorific titles. In Burmese names, honorifics may be preserved if they are part of the normal form of address, even for ordinary people. See U Thant for an example. The Turkish honorific suffix Pasha is normally included in a notable person's name.
The Madras (talk) 09:44, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
I think for the section on Jesus miracles it would make more sense to simple state at the top that the following stories are legendary, rather than clarifying that point at the beginning of every story. I also think that is clear that we are talking about Jesus role within the Islamic belief system, rather than declaring whether or not the miracles are historical fact. For example, look at the following section for Zeus:
It is possible to stay neutral, without clarifying after every step that the stories about Zeus are mythological. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VioletJR (talk • contribs) 02:22, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
[I moved this over from my talk page to its proper location in the subject talk page so others can help / give their input.]
Hi, I just did some edits on the "Jesus in Islam" page, and I was wondering if I could work with you to do some minor edits on the page. There are a few parts that are unclear or don't read well, and I wanted to ask for permission to do a clean-up of some sections. If this is something you are interested in, what would be the best way to suggest new edits? Thanks!
I think you deleted quite a bit of content that explains, in detail, why the death subject has been convoluted, confused, and contrived. I was hoping you'd keep the points made while lessening the use of words yet still convey the information accurately. I agree the section reads much easier now, but without those details it is unclear why the various ideas have existed. I don't think such details should be ignored altogether. It defeats the descriptions of 'why' the various ideas about the subject have arisen or why they were even considered in the first place. - HafizHanif (talk) 14:46, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians. It is frustrating and time consuming having to revert and then battle someone every time an edit is done (whether in good faith or plain ignorance). It is also quite sad to read portions of this article today and then how it read some years ago. Important details and valuable content has been either neutered or simply deleted. Every so often a new zealot comes in and splats their religious views without knowing the bigger picture of what the Wiki project is, or to allow learning to occur (by actually reading the article and the citations). I'd like to ask for help in first getting this page protected and then secondly hopefully re-edited to best portray an objective and current scholarly view and understanding (which is, I think, the aim of such an article). -- HafizHanif (talk) 18:29, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
Indefinite extended confirmed protection: High level of IP vandalism and / or having to explain to new users how Wikipedia works regarding cited material overriding opinions, lore, etc.. Looking at the history of this page, this is a constant time drain for editors who have to restore blanked portions or blatant vandalism time and time again. HafizHanif (talk) 02:10, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Once again, an edit war between several anonymous i.p.s (sock puppets?) and one named user. Not sure why a summary sentence / paragraph at the end of a section needs to be cited when all previous content is cited. Please discuss and cease the edit war. I've already put in for page protection because it is exhausting having to explain the elementary things. -- HafizHanif (talk) 04:15, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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Further Readings: Marco Demichelis, "Quranic Christology in Late Antiquity. ‘Isa ibn Maryam and His Divine Power (Energeia) in the Islamic Revelation", Religions 12 (11), 2021, pp. 1-19. Mariangela.livio (talk) 10:34, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
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template. Are there any reliable sources discussing this as a high quality work? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:44, 12 November 2021 (UTC)See MOS:TITLEABSENTBOLD Editor2020 (talk) 03:23, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
I suggest editing the intro to include both his English and Arabic name. I never understood why we use Arabic to begin with, but this IP editor keeps insisting and staring edit wars about it despite being stopped by multiple editors so here we go. Both sides happy.
It currently looks like this:
Isa ibn Maryam (Arabic: عِيسَى ٱبْنُ مَرْيَمَ, romanized: ʿĪsā ibn Maryam, lit. 'Jesus, son of Mary') is considered the penultimate prophet and messenger of God (Allah) and the Messiah in Islam. He is believed to be the last prophet sent to guide the Children of Israel (Banī Isra'īl), being revealed the third holy book called the Injīl.
I suggest this:
Isa ibn Maryam (Arabic: عِيسَى ٱبْنُ مَرْيَمَ, romanized: ʿĪsā ibn Maryam) or Jesus, son of Mary is considered the penultimate prophet and messenger of God (Allah) and the Messiah in Islam. He is believed to be the last prophet sent to guide the Children of Israel (Banī Isra'īl), being revealed the third holy book called the Injīl.
Wikipedia is an English language wiki, not Arabic. English name should be equally presented with the Arabic name, if not higher. We write things based on how they are called. "It is in Arabic because Quran uses arabic" makes no sense, as the article Jesus uses the English name, not the original Biblical name. Jesus' English name is widely used by Muslims and scholars of Islam (both secular and Muslim) when speaking English. Keeping only the Arabic name in the lede makes no sense.
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For the infobox, who is considered the "predecessor"? Mary or John the Baptist?
Mary was a parent of Jesus, but John was the predecessor prophet in Islam.
The articles Mary in Islam and John the Baptist in Islam have similar issues in their infoboxes.
What does "predecessor" mean in this context? Parentage is already given in the infobox. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:19, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
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isa means woman, it indicates that is a girl, not a boy 2A02:8428:F424:A001:8BE:8969:7339:7EF (talk) 20:36, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
In the Gospel of John, Jesus is pre-eminently the divine Logos. As such, he is the agent of creation and the Word of truth, become incarnate in, involved in, human life. The Quran also calls jesus kalimat allah, the 'Word of God', cast into Mary by God. This does not imply that the logos is the Second Person of the Trinity. Rather, it means that Christ came into being, not through the usual processes of cause and effect, but by the direct command and as the direct creation of God – 'Let there by Christ,' said God, 'and there was Christ'. Islam thus distinguishes clearly between recognizing Jesus as the Word of God, on the one hand, and claiming that Jesus is God, on the other hand. It is the latter that is a problematic issue between Muslims and Christians. The Quran also calls Jesus a 'spirit from God'. Later Muslim tradition was to use the more absolute form 'Spirit of God', but this too clearly has a different import to the use of 'Spirit' in the Christian theology of the Trinity. It is undoubtedly the case that the idea of Jesus 'Word of God' has not been adequately studied by Muslims. This is in contrast to the great amount of thought which has been devoted to the theology of the Quran as the Word of God, and this obvious parallel raises a corresponding question to that about the Quran which has generated so much controversy within Islam: 'Is Jesus as Word of God created or uncreated?' It may be that the answer we have to give is along the lines of 'neither this nor yet that'.
As with other titles of Jesus, the Quran gives no explanation of this title. Nevertheless, in seeking to reconcile it with the Quranic assertion that Jesus was only a messenger, Muslim commentators generaly claim that Jesus is called the word of God soleley in accordance with the teaching of the Quran according to which jesus was created in the womb of a virgin woman by the world of God: "She said: My Lord! How can I have a child when no mortal has touched me? He said: so it will be. Allah created what He will, if He decress a thing, He says unot it only; Be! And it is." (Surah 3:47) By the single word of God's "Be", it is believed that Jesus was created and from this verse Muslim commentators conclude that this is the reason for calling Jesus as the word of God... In the first place, however, though it seems a very convenient explanation, definitely it is an inadequate conclusion. According to the above verse, every thing that is created by God is created in the same manner. In spite of this fact, Jesus alone receives the title of God and its unique character must compel us to reject this theory as over-simplistic. Secondly, further it reflects the insufficiency of the answer to the question of its meaning through the examination of a similar statement just twelve verses later in the same Surah, which says, "Lo! The likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam, He created him from dust, then He said unto him, Be! And he is." (Surah 3:59... In other words, God created Jesus purely through the expression, "Be". But there is a striking difference of Jesus in this verse. It says, in "the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam, implying that both are made by the single word of God "Be" in the same way. If Jesus is called the word of God purely as a result by the means of this conception, then Adam too must be the word of God for according to the Quran they were both created in the same manner. This poses a problem because Adam is not called the word of God in the Quran. For that matter, neither the angels nor any other creature were called so in the Quran. Jesus alone is called the word of God... The very exceptional nature of the title by which Jesus is distinguished from all other human beings and all other creatures demands that there is some other meaning and significance to this. The very fact that the title is given to Jesus alone is both the Quran and the Bible clearly shows that there is something extraordinary about the person of Jesus that makes him the word of God in a way in which no other human being or creature can be considered. Jesus himself is called the word of God and the title refers to his person rather to any factors or circumstances of his life... As mentioned earlier, one of the distinctive features of this title is the emphasis of divinity as the source fo the person who bears it – 'the word is from God'. And the title, word implies that Jesus is the communication and revelation in his own person of God to the human beings. The word of God is one who is the active and real manifestation of God to Moses. To know the word is to know God. In other words, Jesus who is the word does not merely bring the religion and words of God to human beings, but he himself IS the word and revelation of God. Jesus through his embodiment made clear explanation of the title when the Gospel says, "In the beginning was the word. And the word was with God. And the word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him and without him was not anything made that was made." (John 1:1-2)
Some of the early Muslim theologians, the Ash'arites, held the view that God can be considered a speaker even if He does not communicate to anyone else because He can have an internal speech (kalàm al-nafsí), a knowledge of the meanings He intends to convey in the appropriate circumstances. On this basis, the Ash'arites held the view that the Qur'an is eternal, since it always existed, as it were, in the mind of God, and that the attribute of speaking is one of God's attributes of essence. For the Mu'tazilite and Shi'i theologians, however, there is no internal speech of God, for God has no need of discursive thought. Indeed, for those theologians who take a philosophical stance as well as the Sufi theologians, God is considered as pure simple existence. Any logos or meaning would have to be an abstraction in the understanding of human (or angelic) intellects, not a characteristic of divinity itself. Hence, for the Shi'ah, the attribute of speaking is one of God's attributes of action. The dispute over the speech of God and the eternality of the Qur'an led to a bloody dispute during the Abbasid dynasty, masterfully described by van Ess in scholarly detail. What is important for our discussion, however, is to see that however much room there might be to find an analogue to the Christian idea of an eternal logos in the meaning of revelation in the mind of God as affirmed by the Ash'arites, in the philosophical views of God and His attributes that have come to dominate contemporary Shi'ite theology, such a view would be considered anathema and inconsistent with the simplicity and unity of God.
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