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I'm writing an expansion of this from reports in the press and the WWW. — Toby 16:28 Aug 1, 2002 (PDT)
I'm done writing, so feel free to edit again. Next stop: Our Lady of Guadalupe. — Toby 19:09 Aug 1, 2002 (PDT)
I'm going to list the sources for my August 1 expansion:
— Toby 01:05 Aug 2, 2002 (PDT)
What part of "Cuauhtlatoatzin" means "eagle"? There's a bird called "hoatzin", but it is totally unlike an eagle. -phma
That's what it says at http://www.sancta.org/juandiego.html . That site accepts claims so uncritically that I didn't want to come out and say that that's what the name means, which is why I phrased the sentence as I did. But if you know better than they do, then by all means fix the translation; and if you're sure of it, then by all means change the phrasing of the sentence so that it's clear that the translation is indeed correct. — Toby 21:27 Aug 1, 2002 (PDT)
Much of Mexico's indigenous population is converting to Protestantism - much of it is reverting to native religions, as well, feeling that they better represent their culture. -- Zoe
The LA Times article that was the source for my Protestantism comment didn't mention this (which I found personally disappointing), but if it's true, then by all means add it in. — Toby 01:05 Aug 2, 2002 (PDT)
My source was a television report by one of the LA news people in Mexico during the Pope's visit -- I think he was from Channel 2, but I'm not sure. -- Zoe
Are you putting it in the article? Or do you not trust Channel 2? (I have no opinion, I don't watch TV.) — Toby 06:43 Aug 3, 2002 (PDT)
I didn't want to add something on the basis of one half-listened-to news report. If we could find more documentation ... -- Zoe
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I want it projected so nothing dumb happensLoganTheWatermelon (talk) 01:48, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
@AnandaBliss: not only did I agree with your assessment that the section ran off-topic, but when I investigated the sourcing, I found nothing but WP:PRIMARY sources cited for what is clearly original research. So I had no choice but to remove the section entirely. Original research is not permitted on Wikipedia; if there is to be some kind of analysis of Pope St. John Paul the Great's homilies, then it needs to come from a scholarly source, not a Wikipedia editor making things up. Elizium23 (talk) 02:56, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
In the opening paragraph that was deleted the wiki-editor who wrote it says "to have their cultural traditions and way of life honoured and protected against encroachment." I don't see this supported by the quote by John Paul II given, which doesn't mention cultural traditions at all. Barring it being in JP2's statements elsewhere in the text cited, the claim is an OR Synthesis or OR Analysis that isn't supported by the text cited. If the paragraph is to be restored that claim would have to be dropped or further support for that reading of the text put forward.
A good faith argument could claim that when JP2's talk about the need for South America to preserve its indigenous people this includes cultural elements that might be considered definitional to them - but this could be contested as it could also be read as him calling on nations to merely not harass them. The definition of what is meant by "cultural traditions" would also have to be laid out, as it would be contested if these include elements from ancestral religion. --Wowaconia (talk) 14:58, 15 December 2020 (UTC)