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Working life[edit]

In the Personal info Fendi should also be added except Karl Lagerfeld and Chanel, as he is head designer there too. I don't know how too edit this myself.

International fame (1982–present) Section needs to be expanded for 30+ year timeline. MorningMrBond (talk) 03:28, 3 October 2010 (UTC) (new user)Reply[reply]

We could expand to include that Lagerfeld is credited for designing the Fendi logo? Sources for this are here [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sprgqh (talk • contribs) 21:35, 5 April 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Personal life[edit]

Is the weight loss and ipod trivia all that is known about his adult personal life?--92.226.137.217 (talk) 15:55, 19 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Under the heading "Early life" it is stated that Karls lastname was Lagerfeldt and that he later changed it. Yet in the first section it says Karl Lagerfeld (born Karl Otto Lagerfeld; September 10, 1933). It should be (born Karl Otto Lagerfeldt). Small but important change. 81.170.156.146 (talk) 18:31, 7 November 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Asexual claim[edit]

Should the claim that he is asexual be removed? It is unsourced and it may violate the strict guidelines on WP:Biographies of living persons Cambrasa 23:12, 12 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Resolved, I have just tracked down a source for the claim [1] and will add it. Cambrasa 23:15, 12 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

oh come on just look at him, he's gay as a summer hat —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.16.239.160 (talk) 07:37, 1 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

His NNDB page is (apart from this talk page), the only place I've seen it stated that he's asexual. However, Cliff Richard's NNDB page states that he's asexual, but we all know what his orientation really is! Werdnawerdna (talk) 00:03, 5 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

NY Times (good source - NNDB is hardly a primary source) says his "great love" was Jacques de Bascher, who had previously been the object of Yves Saint Laurent's obsession, though Lagerfeld more recently says he did not have a physical relationship with de Bascher. Yves of Destruction, December 24, 2000--Larrybob (talk) 15:57, 5 December 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Lagerfeld is from the old-time generation, still in the closet.76.17.118.157 (talk) 18:06, 10 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Lagerfeld's "asexual" comment was in reference to his current sexual state as a man in his late 70's. Like most men his age, he's no longer interested or even physically capable of sexual intercourse. Hence, he's "asexual". To say that Karl Lagerfeld is "in the closet" is a rather bizarre claim. He discusses Paris's gay scene that he was very much a part of in his youth in great detail in his Diet Book.Bogan444 (talk) 17:19, 21 September 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So I suppose these are two straight men in this picture.[2] 84.244.183.120 (talk) 17:51, 2 May 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Date of birth[edit]

apparently his DoB is not necessarily in 1933. [3] SCRA5071 (talk) 05:30, 10 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

this doesn't make sense:

"He has alleged he was born in 1938 however it has been reported that he was actually born in 1938" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Preauxx (talk • contribs) 13:51, 11 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]


His schoolmates were all born in 1932 or 1933 so it is possible that he was too smart in school and made a 5 year jump haha — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.113.99.138 (talk) 00:38, 11 August 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This date of birth issue is causing errors to arise under the "Career" subsection, the first sentence of which states: "In 1955, after living in Paris for two years, Lagerfeld entered a coat design competition sponsored by the International Wool Secretariat at the age of sixteen." If he were indeed born in 1933, then he would have been in his 20's during this competition. So either the date of the competition or his age during the competition or his 'conclusively proven" birth year of 1933 is incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KajHansen (talk • contribs) 06:51, 20 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What's with all the high collars?[edit]

Every photo I've seen he has those on. Is it for a practical reason or just more of a fetish? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.193.228.246 (talk) 07:31, 15 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hides chicken neck. 84.244.183.120 (talk) 17:43, 2 May 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Work[edit]

Why doesn't this article reference his work with Chanel? Violetbeau (talk) 03:00, 5 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why doesn't this article reference Kimora Lee (Perkins) Simmons? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.117.207.76 (talk) 04:57, 29 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Karl Lagerfeld has been the Chief Designer at Channel since 1983. It is the most significant aspect of his professional career and the thing that has brought him international fame. To have a Karl Lagerfeld entry without mentioning Channel is like talking about Babe Ruth without mentioning the New York Yankees.Bogan444 (talk) 17:45, 21 September 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

When did "helm" (as "helms") become a verb? Evil Prince (talk) 13:09, 13 November 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

His father's nationality[edit]

Can someone explain these sentences? "Karl's father is from Vladivostok, Russia; his mother is from Berlin, Germany (according to "Lagerfeld Confidential", Marconi Rodolphe, 2006). Though Lagerfeld has stated that his father was Swedish, journalist Alicia Drake in The Beautiful Fall (Little, Brown, 2006) established that Karl's father, Otto Lagerfeldt, who worked as a distributor at a company introducing condensed milk to Germany, was indeed German" So, was his father Russian, Swedish or German? Vladivostok is quite far from Germany btw.Aaker (talk) 17:08, 10 December 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Karl has always claimed his father was Swedish, but Karl sometimes lies about his past so one needs to take that with a grain of salt. Independent researches have concluded his father was most likely German. The city where a man happened to be born does not affect his nationality. Vladivostok was a major port city on the Pacific Ocean and had a multi-ethnic population until the Communists expelled the non-Russians in the late 20th Century. Hope that helps.Bogan444 (talk) 17:51, 21 September 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Just saw the Karl Lagerfeld: Un Roi Seul / Karl Lagerfeld: Lonely King documentary. Here they said that his father was Danish... I'll update the main article to reflect this... Hertell (talk) 20:19, 17 January 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Anti-gay marriage comments[edit]

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/04/09/karl-lagerfeld-speaks-sex-marriage-gay-parents/ 76.17.118.157 (talk) 18:04, 10 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pirelli calendar[edit]

He also shot the 2011 famous pirelli calender with famous models. Maybe worthy to mention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.54.157.44 (talk) 19:07, 1 December 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Sexual orientation[edit]

I have removed the "gay men" category which was not supported by the article's content or by references. It seems that his sexual orientation is a complicated issue; compare for example the footnote here which cites various sources on this topic. Huon (talk) 19:18, 19 February 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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né Lagerfeldt ?[edit]

Lagerfeld's parents announced the birth of their son Karl Otto in 1933

I think his parents should have known his correct birthname and they clearly write Lagerfeld without that "t" at the ending. 2A02:8108:1340:5E70:497F:63D2:A37:11FD (talk) 15:49, 19 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Very surprising given that his father's name was Lagerfeld. This is unsourced, or at least the article even goes on to suggest this was based on the mis-information that his father was Swedish. Also no mention at all in the de:wiki article. Suggest it is removed from both the lead and the infobox. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:05, 19 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Martinevans123, it's in the BBC source within the lead, the source was moved to the end of the parentheses for some reason. Karl Lagerfeld also stated that his father's name was Otto Ludwig Lagerfeldt, suggesting that both used "Lagerfeld" as public name. Lordtobi (✉) 16:08, 19 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see. Easily missed. There still seems to be some contradiction with the parents' names used in the article text. Perhaps an explicit explanatory footnote would help the reader? Thanks for explaining. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:16, 19 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Lagerfeld himself couldn't remember his date of birth and made a mystery around the exact year (1938, 1935). He loved to create such "stories" (like the Swedish background) and these hoaxes are sometimes repeated even by reliable sources. 2A02:8108:1340:5E70:497F:63D2:A37:11FD (talk) 16:18, 19 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Here are some sources regarding his father's background, his name was Lagerfeld Otto Lagerfeld Biography; Otto Lagerfeld Hamburgische Biografie Band 2, Otto Lagerfeld, Hamburger Abendblatt 19. September 1956 2A02:8108:1340:5E70:497F:63D2:A37:11FD (talk) 16:27, 19 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh. So it seems that we, along with the BBC, are just posthumously indulging Lagerfeld in one of his best invented myths? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:29, 19 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The Hamburgerische Biografie source says Karl Lagerfeld was born in 1935, while the Deutsche Biographie says 1938, both of which we know is wrong. Isn't there any source that has all facts straight, one that we can trust? Lordtobi (✉) 16:37, 19 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
For a long time his year of birth was a mystery and only after some journalists found some hard evidence 1933 became the acknowledged year. That some older sources trusted Lagerfeld's own statements isn't surprising. Every information given by Karl Lagerfeld himself should be taken with a grain of salt. 2A02:8108:1340:5E70:497F:63D2:A37:11FD (talk) 17:08, 19 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2019[edit]

Death

Following health complications in January 2019, Lagerfeld was admitted to the <a href="/wiki/American_Hospital_of_Paris" title="American Hospital of Paris">American Hospital of Paris</a> in Parisian suburb <a href="/wiki/Neuilly-sur-Seine" title="Neuilly-sur-Seine">Neuilly-sur-Seine</a> on 18 February. The morning after, he died at that hospital, aged 85. Karl Lagerfeld died from Pancreatic cancer, an illness he concealed from everyone but close family and professional contacts .[2]

Black Eagle Flight (talk) 20:16, 19 February 2019 (UTC) Reply[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.famouslogos.net/fendi-logo/
  2. ^ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6720439/Karl-Lagerfeld-dies-aged-85-France.html
 Not done. Daily Mail is a tabeloid and not a reliable source. Lordtobi (✉) 21:25, 19 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Road safety advert[edit]

This seems to have been unfortunately rather overlooked from 2008. A mention here in Vogue and in The Cut. I think it was quite a big thing in France. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:48, 19 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Awarded France's Legion of Honour[edit]

The government of France made him a Commandeur de la Legion d'honneur in 2010. This should be mentioned in his entry! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.111.162.122 (talk) 23:12, 19 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks. Do you have a good source for that honour? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:46, 20 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The German Wikiedia has a newspaper source (archived) for this, title translates to French Order of Merit for KL, "url=http://www.rp-online.de/gesellschaft/leute/Franzoesischer-Verdienstorden-fuer-Karl-Lagerfeld_aid_865064.html |wayback=20100606213102 |text=Französischer Verdienstorden für Karl Lagerfeld. In: Rheinische Post. 4. Juni 2010", - and for several other honours. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:07, 20 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

One of France's poorer decisions, apparently. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.188.108.53 (talk) 19:09, 2 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Godwin’s law[edit]

...is that really necessary? --78.49.25.207 (talk) 23:13, 19 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Time to break out that little black dress? (but take the swastikas off first). Martinevans123 (talk) 10:37, 20 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2019[edit]

Karl Lagerfeld dies aged 85 from pancreatic cancer [1] Yolga (talk) 05:00, 20 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

 Already done – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:53, 20 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Karl Lagerfeld dies aged 85 from pancreatic cancer: Victoria Beckham leads tributes to fashion legend who saved Chanel, spent thirty years as its artistic director and was notorious for his acid tongue, after he passed away". MSN. February 19, 2019. Retrieved 2019-02-19.

Age in 1955[edit]

The early career section claims: "In 1955, after living in Paris for two years, Lagerfeld entered a coat design competition sponsored by the International Wool Secretariat at the age of sixteen." He was obviously not 16 in 1955. 2A02:8108:1340:5E70:5410:8E1E:8811:9779 (talk) 11:31, 20 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No mention of his age in the source given so I think it can be removed. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:41, 20 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Dark glasses[edit]

Presumably these were always Chanel branded? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:16, 21 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 27 November 2019[edit]

In the "Controversies" section, there is a space between "Fatphobic" and the comma to its right.

X: Fatphobic , Y: Fatphobic, 71.201.47.203 (talk) 15:49, 27 November 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Just done by User:Theroadislong. - ChrisWar666 (talk) 16:31, 27 November 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Flagging up possible plagiarism[edit]

My edit today removed text that was machine translated from its cited Danish source. I was initially going to reconstruct it to fit a more encyclopedia tone, but upon further inspection it was simply a copy. I removed it for concerns of plagiarism, though I am not an expert on that topic. I wanted to flag it up here so that other editors might scrutinize further contributions to this article carefully. I also wanted to flag up that I removed these sources, though they may be valuable to restore. Thanks! Bss7 (talk) 16:00, 2 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Working on Controversies Section[edit]

Is anyone currently working on the controversies section? I noticed the template there, but I haven't worked on one with this specific template notice yet. Super interested in working here, if others are wanting to collab. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pumpkinspyce (talk • contribs) 01:43, 29 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Suggestion for infobox and models list[edit]

Hello editors, I'm Marina and I work for the KARL LAGERFELD brand. The editors who have worked on this page have captured a lot of information about Karl Lagerfeld's life and career. I'm here to offer a few clarifications and suggestions for additional details to add to the article. As a connected contributor, I know I need to follow Wikipedia's rules and present requests for review.

There are two items I'd initially like to bring for discussion:

  1. In the infobox table, there's a parenthetical "(in German)" following the website link. Can this be removed? The website is not just in German
  2. In the final collection section, there's a very long table listing every model and their nationality from the final tribute runway show. This information has no references, seems excessive to me, and doesn't really fit in a biographical article. Do editors agree with removing this, too?

Looking forward to seeing editors' thoughts on these, and please feel free to reach out if I can help in general. MB for KARL LAGERFELD (talk) 15:48, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Approved The table had no way of verifying each name within it, with the only two names attached to references being the individuals who ostensibly opened and closed the show, and both given the same ref note. Many of the names were not notable. The association of nationalities to each of the names was odd; this is done in funeral articles, however, this particular show was not a funeral per se, and funeral articles which do list attendees and their nationalities usually have that information referenced. Regards,  Spintendo  13:50, 9 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Agreed. Mooonswimmer 14:00, 9 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Suggestion for Early career update[edit]

Hello again editors, I'm Marina and I work for the KARL LAGERFELD brand. I have a new request, this time about the Early career section. The first paragraph in this section currently reads as follows:

Existing first paragraph of History section

In 1954, Lagerfeld submitted a dress design to the International Wool Secretariat's design competition that presaged the chemise dresses that would be introduced by Givenchy and Balenciaga in 1957.[1] In 1955, after living in Paris for two years, Lagerfeld entered a coat design competition sponsored by the International Wool Secretariat. He won the coat category and befriended Yves Saint Laurent, who won the dress category, and was soon after hired by Pierre Balmain who was a judge for the competition. He worked as Balmain's assistant, and later apprentice, for three years.[2][3]

References

  1. ^ Mulvagh, Jane (1988). "1946-1956". Vogue History of 20th Century Fashion. London, England: Viking, the Penguin Group. p. 189. ISBN 0-670-80172-0. In 1954 the young Karl Lagerfeld's entry in a competition organized by the Wool Secretariat was the epitome of the youthful chemise. The style that was to be abbreviated in the sixties had arrived.
  2. ^ "Karl Lagerfeld Biography". The Bibliography.com website. A&E Television Networks. 2 April 2014. Retrieved 19 February 2019.
  3. ^ "Karl Lagerfeld – Creative Director, Chanel, Fendi & Karl Lagerfeld". BoF 500. Retrieved 19 February 2019.

The wording in this paragraph is confusing, as it seems like Karl entered the same contest twice. I tried cleaning up the language to better reflect the chronology:

Revised first paragraph of History section

In 1954, Lagerfeld submitted a dress design to the International Wool Secretariat's design competition.[1] His submitted entry presaged the chemise dresses that would be introduced by Givenchy and Balenciaga three years later.[1] In 1955, Lagerfeld entered another IWS competition and won in the coat category.[2] He also befriended another winner, Yves Saint Laurent, and was soon after hired by Pierre Balmain who was a judge for the competition.[3] He worked as Balmain's assistant, and later apprentice, for three years.[3]

References

  1. ^ a b Mulvagh, Jane (1988). "1946-1956". Vogue History of 20th Century Fashion. London, England: Viking, the Penguin Group. p. 189. ISBN 0-670-80172-0. In 1954 the young Karl Lagerfeld's entry in a competition organized by the Wool Secretariat was the epitome of the youthful chemise. The style that was to be abbreviated in the sixties had arrived.
  2. ^ "Karl Lagerfeld – Creative Director, Chanel, Fendi & Karl Lagerfeld". BoF 500. Retrieved 19 February 2019.
  3. ^ a b "Karl Lagerfeld Biography". The Bibliography.com website. A&E Television Networks. 2 April 2014. Retrieved 19 February 2019.

If this revision makes sense, I'm hoping that editors can update this paragraph. Thank you! MB for KARL LAGERFELD (talk) 11:08, 16 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

 Done - I think the new wording is less confusing, works well, and is well sourced. Completed as requested. Lewcm Talk to me! 14:40, 16 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Additional suggestion for Early career update[edit]

Hello again editors, this is Marina from the KARL LAGERFELD brand. I have a follow-up request about the Early career section. The second paragraph in this section currently reads as follows:

Existing second paragraph of Early career section

In 1958, Lagerfeld became the artistic director for Jean Patou. In 1964, he went to Rome to study art history and work for Tiziani but was soon designing freelance for a many brands including Charles Jourdan, Chloé, Krizia, and Valentino.[1] In 1965, he was hired by Fendi to modernize their fur line. Lagerfeld's innovative designs proved groundbreaking, as he introduced the use of mole, rabbit, and squirrel pelts into high fashion. Lagerfeld remained with Fendi Rome until his death.[1]

References

  1. ^ a b The Editors of Encyclopaedia Britannica (3 May 2016). "Karl Lagerfeld – German Fashion Designer and photographer". Encyclopædia Britannica. Retrieved 19 February 2019.

The current reference here is the Encyclopedia Britannica, and some of the details are not quite correct, so I have identified sources that provide more context and specificity. For example, the dates that Lagerfeld started working with Jean Patou and that he worked with Tiziani can be confirmed in the new sources. I've also added a sentence to note when he left Jean Patou and that he was one of the first major designers to work freelance.

Revised second paragraph of Early career section

In 1957, Lagerfeld became the artistic director for Jean Patou.[1] He left Jean Patou in 1962, to become a freelance designer,[2] one of the first designers to do so.[3] From 1963 to 1969, he designed for the Rome-based fashion house Tiziani.[4] During this time he also designed freelance for brands including Charles Jourdan, Chloé, Krizia, and Valentino.[1] In 1965, he was hired by Fendi to modernize their fur line. Lagerfeld's innovative designs proved groundbreaking, including the introduction of less expensive furs such as rabbit and squirrel pelts into high fashion, and launching a ready-to-wear line. He also designed the brand's double F logo.[5] Lagerfeld remained with Fendi Rome until his death.[1]

References

  1. ^ a b c Mackelden, Amy (22 February 2019). "Karl Lagerfeld's Career Was Unlike Anyone Else's". Harper's Bazaar. Retrieved 19 December 2023.
  2. ^ Banks, Libby (19 February 2019). "The Life And Times Of Karl Lagerfeld". Vogue Business. Retrieved 19 December 2023.
  3. ^ Alario Avery, Laura (25 April 2023). "The Life And Times Of Karl Lagerfeld". InStyle. Retrieved 19 December 2023.
  4. ^ Lo, Danica (6 January 2014). "1960s Archive of Karl Lagerfeld Sketches for Elizabeth Taylor Will Be Auctioned in Palm Beach on January 11". Glamour. Retrieved 19 December 2023.
  5. ^ Fury, Alexander (12 May 2015). "Karl Lagerfeld's 50 years at Fendi: New book celebrates fashion's record-breaking marriage". The Independent (UK). Retrieved 19 December 2023.

If these edits look good to editors, I hope the paragraph can be updated. Thank you! MB for KARL LAGERFELD (talk) 11:36, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@MB for KARL LAGERFELD: Just one question and one observation. It says He left Jean Patou in 1962, to become a freelance designer. Then it says From 1963 to 1969, he designed for the Rome-based fashion house Tiziani. Following that, it says During this time he also designed freelance for brands including Charles Jourdan, Chloé, Krizia, and Valentino. My question is, was his work for Tiziani freelance work or otherwise? I ask because Tiziani is mentioned right after the claim to beginning freelancing, and yet, in the groupings of freelance work claimed immediately after this, Tiziani is not mentioned. Tiziani is mentioned by itself, but if it was freelance work just as much as the others' work was, why aren't all the houses where freelanced work was done mentioned together? (ensemble, as the French would say).[a] Then, my observation would be the claim Lagerfeld's innovative designs proved groundbreaking. No one is disputing this — but it would be better if this claim were not made using Wikipedia's WP:VOICE. If we could find a prominent reviewer from say WWD or French Vogue, who could be mentioned as stating this, it would sound better. Surely there would be no difficulty in finding such a reviewer and their published statements that ran along these lines. Let me know what you can find. When ready to proceed, kindly change the ((Edit COI)) request template's answer parameter to read from |ans=y to |ans=n. Thank you!

Notes

  1. ^ In the first sentence (KL's work with Tiziani) we're calling it "designed". In the second sentence (KL's work with the other, listed houses) we're calling it "designed freelance". By giving these roles two different names, we're implying a disparity which might not exist. At this point in the text the reader will already be aware that KL's work was as a designer, so the use of "freelance designer" or "designed freelance" is a bit superfluous. It need only be stated that KL "freelanced", and the reader will safely assume that this freelanced work was in design. My suggested phrasings which resolve this question would be the following: "From 1963 to 1969, he designed freelanced for the Rome-based fashion house Tiziani."
Regards,  Spintendo  14:43, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for this feedback, User:Spintendo. It took me a little time to look into the Tiziani detail and confirm, so thank you for your patience also. He was freelance with Tiziani, so I've edited to collapse the two sentences together and simplify to "freelanced" as you suggested.
For the statement "Lagerfeld's innovative designs proved groundbreaking", this is already included in the article with no reference. I felt that the Independent reference that I added corroborates the statement (see quotes below), but I understand your point about not wanting this to be a statement from Wikipedia but rather attributed to a particular outlet or writer. I've edited the draft below to do that.
From The Independent reference:
  • "Nevertheless, Lagerfeld and Fendi have innovated in a way that has revolutionised the industry - not least, for Fendi, the introduction of a ready-to-wear line in 1969, in a period when haute couture ruled fashion and when handbag makers or leather specialists never overstepped their boundaries."
  • "If Lagerfeld's Chanel paved the way for the revival of a myriad of moribund labels, his work with Fendi paved the way for accessory-peddling labels like Prada and Louis Vuitton to expand into the rag trade proper."
V2 Revised second paragraph of Early career section

In 1957, Lagerfeld became the artistic director for Jean Patou.[1] He left Jean Patou in 1962, to become a freelance designer,[2] one of the first designers to do so.[3] In the 1960s, he freelanced for brands including Charles Jourdan, Chloé, Krizia, Valentino,[1] and for the Rome-based fashion house Tiziani.[4] In 1965, he was hired by Fendi to modernize their fur line. The fashion editor of The Independent, Alexander Fury, wrote in 2015 that Lagerfeld's designs for Fendi were innovative and proved groundbreaking within the industry. These included the introduction of less expensive furs such as rabbit and squirrel pelts into high fashion, and launching a ready-to-wear line. He also designed the brand's double F logo.[5] Lagerfeld remained with Fendi Rome until his death.[1]

References

  1. ^ a b c Mackelden, Amy (22 February 2019). "Karl Lagerfeld's Career Was Unlike Anyone Else's". Harper's Bazaar. Retrieved 19 December 2023.
  2. ^ Banks, Libby (19 February 2019). "The Life And Times Of Karl Lagerfeld". Vogue Business. Retrieved 19 December 2023.
  3. ^ Alario Avery, Laura (25 April 2023). "The Life And Times Of Karl Lagerfeld". InStyle. Retrieved 19 December 2023.
  4. ^ Lo, Danica (6 January 2014). "1960s Archive of Karl Lagerfeld Sketches for Elizabeth Taylor Will Be Auctioned in Palm Beach on January 11". Glamour. Retrieved 19 December 2023.
  5. ^ Fury, Alexander (12 May 2015). "Karl Lagerfeld's 50 years at Fendi: New book celebrates fashion's record-breaking marriage". The Independent (UK). Retrieved 19 December 2023.
If this answers both your queries, are you able to update the paragraph? Thank you! MB for KARL LAGERFELD (talk) 11:51, 23 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
 Done in light of the above discussion and revisions made. WhinyTheYounger ※ Talk 03:49, 13 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
 Done WhinyTheYounger ※ Talk 03:50, 13 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Another suggested Early career section update[edit]

This is Marina again from the KARL LAGERFELD brand. I have another request about the Early career section. I'm hoping we can add a new paragraph to the end of this section that covers how and why Karl Lagerfeld took up photography:

New photography paragraph for end of Early career section

Lagerfeld took up photography in 1987[1] after being frustrated with images done for Chanel press kits.[2] Chanel's then-image director, Éric Pfrunder, encouraged Lagerfeld to redo them himself,[2] and photography soon became one of the passions of Lagerfeld's life outside of design.[3] He went on to shoot commercial fashion campaigns,[1] celebrity profiles for magazines like Harper's Bazaar,[4] and more experimental architectural and landscape work.[5] “I’m an illustrator with a camera,” Lagerfeld told Women's Wear Daily at an exhibition of his work at the Maison Européenne de la Photographie.[6]

References

  1. ^ a b Barchfield, Jenny (September 10, 2015). "Karl Lagerfeld's photos on display in Paris". Associated Press. Retrieved January 9, 2024.
  2. ^ a b Diderich, Joelle (March 5, 2019). "Through Lagerfeld's Lens". Women's Wear Daily. Retrieved January 9, 2024.
  3. ^ Binlot, Ann (March 5, 2019). "Remembering the photography of 'Renaissance man' Karl Lagerfeld". Document Journal. Retrieved January 9, 2024. One of his passions outside of design was photography; Lagerfeld would often shoot Chanel's campaigns, and he also photographed editorials for magazines like V, Numéro, and Harper's Bazaar.
  4. ^ Alexis Fisher, Lauren; Algoo, Jennifer (February 10, 2019). "Karl Lagerfeld's Greatest Fashion Moments in Harper's BAZAAR". Harper's Bazaar. Retrieved January 9, 2024.
  5. ^ Martinique, Elena (February 22, 2019). "An Homage to Karl Lagerfeld and His Photography". Widewalls. Retrieved January 9, 2024.
  6. ^ Socha, Miles (September 15, 2010). "Karl Lagerfeld: Survey of the Kaiser's Work Opens Today". Women's Wear Daily. Retrieved January 9, 2024.

Photography was obviously an important component of his career and the origin of his interest in the craft seems relevant, especially given the amount of media coverage of the topic. If the draft paragraph I put together seems relevant, I'm hoping that editors can add it to the end of the section. Thank you! MB for KARL LAGERFELD (talk) 09:22, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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