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Figures for homicide and suicide were for any method. I updated them to be the gun-related totals. --ABehrens (talk) 16:08, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please see:

• Percent of households with guns by country#Table

Note the sources column. It is narrower than the "Sources and notes" column here.

And the references section is much more condensed. Does not repeat stuff. --Timeshifter (talk) 11:56, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, and could go even further and have the main source listed just before the table, with a sentence inside the ref tag explaining how to access each country's info. The ref column could be mostly blank except when an alternative source is used. Wizmut (talk) 08:11, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think there should always be a direct ref in the refs column. For instant verifiability, and for fast updates as the source updates its numbers. I would duplicate the references format of the Percent of households with guns by country#Table. Except I would keep the retrieval dates since that encourages checking the oldest info to see if it has been updated. --Timeshifter (talk) 03:13, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The data hasn't been updated for many years. Would it make sense to delete the article? Incorrect data is almost worse than no data. 82.147.226.240 (talk) 17:14, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• I would tend to agree. A large proportion of this talk page is discussions of how dated the figures are, complaints going back to 2008. It isn't maintained with any rigor, and the data currently here is far out of date, still. Some of the graphics that have been added to the article are based on data newer than the table's data. I've generally found many of these 'list of' articles to be rather a waste - they just replicate data from other sources that would better be found...by just going to the original sources. It's not a helpful article, and as you say, bad data is worse than no data.

I know that there's a formal mechanism to request deletion, and/or to start discussion on deletion, but I've never been fond of diving into wikipedia bureaucracy. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 01:58, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. I understand the concern with obsolescence, but the numbers—especially the per capita numbers—may not change that much, even over a period of years. The value of a chart, even if it's outdated, is to provide a handy comparison between countries by using the sortable field headers. Also, it's a nice repository for the more user-friendly graphics, some of which I created more recently. Maybe in another decade, this discussion can be reactivated. —RCraig09 (talk) 02:25, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. The data for some countries is not updated often at the source. So there may not be later data for many countries. --Timeshifter (talk) 18:24, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

More recent rates (for some countries) for firearm death rates are found here:

Global Mortality From Firearms, 1990-2016. August 28, 2018. JAMA. 2018;320(8):792-814. doi:10.1001/jama.2018.10060. Free access to PDF, etc. via free registration. Main table via table tab without logging in.

It has total rates (from homicide, suicide, unintentional, undetermined). I did one country: Albania. And I added the reference. I don't know if it breaks down those total rates.

I may never get any further due to time and health limitations. --Timeshifter (talk) 07:06, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The line of "More sources" links under the talk header, and above the "Daily pageviews" banner has searches for "firearm death rates". Some of those sources may be useful here. --Timeshifter (talk) 20:19, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]