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Yes, Ira Gaines was the head terrorist for the first hours of season 1. He was a Drazen henchmen but that was not known until a little less then 12:00 noon. He needs to be put back. He played a much bigger part then say, Ahmed Amar and he managed to make it on the list. He was only in first 4 of season 6.
Ira Gaines is a major character for half of season 1, he should have his own article, like Syed Ali and Marie Warner... at this rate every character save for Jack will be turned into a minor character.--Gonzalo84 05:02, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Frank Allard redirects here, as a minor 24 character. Problem is Frank Allard is not mentioned on this page. He should probably be added, particularly if that redirect is to be kept. Bitnine 23:27, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Please explain to me why Jacob Rossler, who was a very minor player in the Season 5 plot, did not affect any major characters in the long-term, and only appeared in one episode before being offed warrants and entry here?--T smitts 19:12, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
There are many minor characters, over 300 I believe that cannot all be put onto this page. I disagree with many people benig here and many others not. However, the 24 WIKI is a much more detailed page with all the characters. If you're looking for Ira Gaines or Maureen Kingsley or Marie Warner or whoever, each person has their own profile and it is much more organized that way. The editors there aren't at all like the editors at the Lost WIKI, who analyze every fricken detail and catagorize it but the 24 one is very thorough and complete. We always could use more pople editing with us there. Thank You. Julie198 17:28, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I added Zhou to the list because he shot a major character in the head, which was pretty dramatic. Gatty790 23:39, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
I think that Mark Bishop can now be considered a minor character because he was only in a few episodes. Gatty790 23:22, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree. Bishop definitley fits the Minor Character section. Order_66
Yep, agreed. Bishop should definitely go in the Minor Characters section. Chris Bulgin
Maybe we should wait until we see the finale of Season 6, he could become pretty major... I will revise this on Tuesday, but so far I agree. Vreddy92 14:58, 20 May 2007 (EST)
I concur. Just make sure to put him in the "Other characters" category, since he didn't work for the government and wasn't really an antagonist. I've recosindered this. He should be in the gov section. --T smitts 05:56, 22 May 2007 (UTC) --T smitts 14:12, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Hey, what would everyone think, about replacing those 39 lines of merge proposals with this:
Even at my screen resolution of 1280 x 1024, that line of proposals puts the actual article below the fold... Some consolidation might not be such a bad thing... SQL(Query Me!) 09:24, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Approve and implement quickly.--Lucy-marie 12:38, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
This article is extremely long, it's nothing but a long list of short entries that could be split at least by season.--Gonzalo84 03:38, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Once all of the mergers have gone thorugh. The issue can be properly looked at.--Lucy-marie 15:21, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Yes, we need to split this article because he is too long. I think we create an article for season 1 (For example: Minor characters in 24/Season 1), an article for season 2 (For example: Minor characters in 24/Season 2), an article for season 3 (For example: Minor characters in 24/Season 3), an article for season 4 (For example: Minor characters in 24/Season 4), an article for season 5 (For example: Minor characters in 24/Season 5) and an article for the last season at the moment, season 6 (For example: Minor characters in 24/Season 6) --Strike07 12:08, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I am afraid that would not work as some minor character span two seasons. The best way to go about it would be Minor antagonists in 24 and minor government figures in 24 etc.--Lucy-marie (talk) 21:27, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I say finish off the mergers first, to deal with one thing at a time rather than splitting pages, while trying to merge pages at the same time.--Lucy-marie (talk) 18:56, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
We could split them all off by season and if a character appears in more than one season, give them entries in all of their seasons but only the first one would actually have anything and all the others would say 'See 24 (season x)_Joe_Bloggs' where 'x' is the first season they appeared in. It would definitely shorten things down. asyndeton talk 15:17, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
This article is currently close to unreadable, and it could quite easily be divided by order of season the character first appeared. This would resolve the current issue of the article's readability, even if it is short term, it's a good idea for now. Waiting for all the articles to be merged into one would impact on the article, I'm doing this in good faith, if you have any objections as to why this is not a good idea, please discuss it here, instead of just reversing my edits before discussion. Dividing them up into seasons, if only for the time being, is not detrimental to the article, but if you believe it is, please say so before reverting my edit. Thank you Steve Crossin (talk) 06:28, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
He wasn't one. The character may have been an ex-terrorist, but as far as 24 (season 6), he was a good guy. A similar character is Ryan Chappelle; despite being a CTU agent, he was very much an antagonist in seasons two and three, one who kept or tried to keep the main characters from reaching their goals. Tromboneguy0186 20:47, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Comment- Agreed. I noticed that today. He should be in the Government and political figures section, he was at one point, before the article was merged into this one. This may be my point of view, but I'm sure that I would be backed up on this. And if not to go into the Government and political figures section, he should not be in the Antagonists section. He was formerly a terrorist, but for most part of Season Six, he was affiliated with the US Government. He does not belong in the Antagonists section. If you require citations, I will find them. Steve Crossin (talk) 06:34, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Why is john keeler under minor characters? He was a president for the first half of day 4, wasn't he? He was also the candidate who ran against David Palmer in day 3. He played a major role in both days.
Why is Abu Fayed here? He clearly wasn't a minor character, as 1: He has killed more people than any other antagonist in the history of 24, 2: he dramatically influenced Day 6 for more than half the season, and 3: after Hamri Al-Assad "betrayed" him and his cell, Fayed became the leader of the violence-oriented sector of the jihad they were working for. However, I am happy to listen to reasoning from the people who decided to have him placed in this category. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.27.68.108 (talk) 00:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
A number of these have significant OR & plot summary content. In general, they need to be shortened to one to two summary paragraphs. I began with Marie Warner & will do some others shortly. -- Lquilter (talk • contribs) 20:11, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
If you type John Keeler into the search bar right now, it should give John Keeler's section of Minor characters in 24. The link for that redirect is Minor characters in 24#John Keeler. BUT for some reason it give Koo Yin, a different character
This is either a hack, or some kind of glitch. Upon searching John Keeler, wikipedia does the redirect, and at the top the website says: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Keeler#John_Keeler
Now... that gives Koo Yin, and strangely enough if you go up to the address bar and just press enter, as if you just typed in the exact same address http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Keeler#John_Keeler. it will properly go to John Keeler's section. But the first time it goes to Koo Yin???? What is going on! Someone must have hacked it or written something I cannot find.
Please investigate and fix the problem - otherwise I am going to just redirect John Keeler to Minor characters in 24.
BUT PLEASE DON'T JUST DO THIS TO FIX THE PROBLEM. THERE IS IN FACT A PROBLEM HERE AND IT MUST BE ADDRESSED TO PREVENT OTHER SIMILAR POTENTIAL PROBLEMS ON WIKIPEDIA.
Actually..... strangely enough if you click this website I just gave, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Keeler#John_Keeler, it goes straight to proper John Keeler section! So.... I dunno, this may be a wikipedia problem, not an article problem.
Thank you much, ~ GoldenGoose100 (talk) 12:13, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Search Evelyn Martin right now and click on the 24 character option. What is going on with this article!!!! Is Wikipedia broken?? Is this article hacked? ~ GoldenGoose100 (talk) 12:23, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Guys, I think that there is a VERY wrong tendency down here. More and more characters are merged with the "Minor characters" article. I mean, shouldn't we be going the exact opposite way? Shouldn't we make more and more articles about characters that don't have their own article yet and therefore widen the "24" part of Wikipedia? Instead, however, you guys squeeze everything by putting EVERYONE (even characters that played a really big role, like Chris Henderson, Stephen Saunders (the main villain of season 3 and also one of the most fascinating villains in the whole series), Paul Raines (WTH?!)) in this one article. Think it through. Let's make this part of Wikipedia as big as possible!
Gallez --89.79.112.157 (talk) 21:13, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Sadly, it will not happen. It’s a war just to keep a handful of pages unmerged because certain, self appointed Wikiguardians are determined to merge or delete every page relating to fiction that they can. --MiB-24 (talk) 17:14, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
It doesn't make sense that Jamey Farrell redirects here but she doesn't even have a section. Please write one ~ GoldenGoose100 (talk) 08:35, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I believe this article is much too long, due to the fact that an extremely large amount of characters have been merged into this one. One character, Reed Pollock, had his own article yesterday, yet it has now been merged into this one. Who was responsible for this, and was there consensus on it?
Also, this section on Walt Cummings:
Shortly afterwards Cummings is found hanged in an apparent suicide, but it is later revealed that Logan ordered Cummings' execution[original research?].
Wiki24 also has this version of events, in the Walt Cummings article. However, it points out that it was most likely Graem Bauer's suggestion.
If I could add references to this article, I would, but I am unsure on which sources to use, other than the television show. Steve Crossin (talk) 08:49, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
I've been watching this article for some time now, and it is in desperate need of attention. The article is close to unreadable at the moment, and it really needs restructuring. I propose a short term solution, at least to make the article more readable. It would be to further divide the sections up into seasons, the season when the character first appeared. It's not the best possible suggestion, but I think it's better than the current layout, for now. I'll begin the sectioning now, it can easily be reversed, and I believe it's in accordance with WP:AGF, I'm trying to help the article, not hurt it. Could you please discuss your opinions here before you revert all my edits, I think that it is only fair. I'm trying to improve the article, please respect that. Steve Crossin (talk) 02:11, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
I've compared the section in this article on Lynne Kresge, and the Wiki24 article on her, and they are extremely similar in content, some of the sections have been copied, word for word, from Wiki24, so I've added a duplication tag until this is fixed. Steve Crossin (talk) 05:47, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Please note that
“ | 1) For the duration of this case, no editor shall redirect or delete any currently existing article regarding a television series episode or character; nor un-redirect or un-delete any currently redirected or deleted article on such a topic, nor apply or remove a tag related to notability to such an article. Administrators are authorized to revert such changes on sight, and to block any editors that persist in making them after being warned of this injunction. | ” |
I am here to make a proposal, that the page be split into pages sorted by season. This would be sorted by season where the character first appeared, if they appeared in subsequent seasons, an anchor could be made linking to the first section. I'm proposing this based on a few reasons:
1. Splitting the section further increases the readability, and structure of the page- As pointed out by quite a few people, the pages length, and layout, at the moment, adversely affects this pages readability, I've showed a few people this article, and they agreed it is far too long.
2. Sorting by season creates more organisation- Chronologically sorting characters in order of appearance also can improve navigation and readability of the article
3. Few, if any, adverse effects- Splitting the artice into several pages, sorted by seasons, addresses, if only for the short term, the major readability issue of this article, and, the benefits of splitting the page outweigh the disadvantages, which can all be resolved, with redirection anchors. Each character that appeared in subsequent seasons could have a section on each page, for example, Walt Cummings was mainly in Season Five, yet first appeared in Season Four, so his section would be in something like- Minor Characters in 24:Government_and_Politcal:Season_Four#Walt Cummings, and there could be a redirection link on the Season 5 category page.
And also take note of the current editing restriction on this topic, i've verified, splitting of this article has been permitted, further merging for now has been temporarialy halted. The comment was left by an admin on my talk page.
So what is the opinions of others? Steve Crossin (talk) 19:54, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Alexis Drazen, Andre Drazen, Josh Bauer, Lisa Miller (24 character), Marcus Alvers, Marilyn Bauer, Phillip Bauer, Reed Pollock and Reza Naiyeer have been suggested for merging and all of them seem pretty minor. Although I think they should be merged, the article itself (minor characters in 24) is way too long and merging them might even bring the article to a new low. There are a lot of characters on 24, most of who don't return. I think the article is better off as some sort of a list with a very, very brief description. And also I think the minor characters should be organized in bullet points instead of like === === which adds to the clutter. миражinred سَراب ٭ (speak, my child...) 16:34, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Should he really be under villains? He's a former villain and "political figure" may suit him better. миражinred سَراب ٭ (speak, my child...) 17:44, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Someone had listed Keeler as a Republican. So far as I know, this is pure speculation; 24 has never mentioned particular parties. (And as far as speculation goes, there's contradictory evidence, anyway.) I've taken it out unless it can be sourced. --Lquilter (talk) 03:56, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
And, do you agree with the move of Assad to Government and Political figures? Steve Crossin (talk) 04:23, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Daniels wasnt a minor character. He almost started a war with the middle east and he took over as president. He made many decisions and was basically president for half of day 6 and made many decisions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.50.163.63 (talk) 00:13, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Please see here for details as to why this was merged. Thanks. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 02:44, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't know what u expected to find there —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.50.168.126 (talk) 15:10, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
i suggest kanin get his own page, as he will be chief of staff in season 7 and will be a main cast member —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.50.168.126 (talk) 15:38, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
I think he should get his own page. He was the mastermind behind the events of season 3. He is definitely not a minor character. Comp25 (talk) 20:02, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
This is not the place for single season villains to have there own page. This is a general interest encyclopedia and not a TV or Fox TV or 24 specific encyclopedia. There is though a 24 specific encyclopedia which can de found here at 24 wikia
So then on that note, how come Dina Araz, Navi Araz, Andre Drazen, and Peter Kingsley all have their own pages? Comp25 (talk) 02:41, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
They just havn't been merged yet, feel free to merge the mentioned articles.--Lucy-marie (talk) 20:20, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
From WP:RM:
Minor characters in 24 → Recurring and minor characters in 24 — Solves many problems and ends many editor disputes. See pre-existing discussion. I have posted this note here to prevent people from removing the Move Proposal Template from the Talk Page.
The preceding was unsigned, but that's not all that important. The only question really is, do we have consensus for this move? See Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting potentially controversial moves. Andrewa (talk) 01:24, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
Much better. I think that now the page can truly reflect all of the characters which do not deserve a page.--Lucy-marie (talk) 09:29, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Someone placed a tag in Minor CTU agents in 24 suggesting the article to be merged in here but I didn't find the discussion. Well, I strongly support this merging because right now it seems we have duplicated information. Moreover, many (almost all?) descriptions of minor characters in here are lacking the actor's name, which we should add. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:40, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Should Redemption characters be added to the list? While it is true that the film has its own page, the characters and events are all still a part of the same continuity. While many will carry over into Season 7, presently we're not there yet. - Kanten (talk) 06:46, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
It has been suggested that Mike Doyle be split and have a seperate article.
I strongly disagree with this on the grounds that the charter is not notable and appeared in so few shows that having a separate article would be a pointless exercise in information disparity. The previous page was shot and contain few real world references, failing notability. If sufficient real world notability establishing sources can be found then the separate article could be warranted. Until then a separate article would fail notability criteria.--Lucy-marie (talk) 09:52, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
why does Adam Kaufman (24 character) link here, but theres nothing about him on this article? IAmTheCoinMan (talk) 21:25, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
That is one of the pages which needs it redirect sorting out since the split of the 24 agents in to a separate page.--Lucy-marie (talk) 23:34, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
So her article was redirected to this article. What happened to her entry? Barkeep Chat | $ 17:45, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
It has been suggested that this character be separated out and have a separate article.
I disagree on the grounds that Mason was purely a recurring character and fits nicely intot he scope of this article. The character did not appear regularly throughout the first seasons, until towards the end and only appeared regularly after that until his death half way tough the second season. While the character may have done something major in one season (season 2 nuke crash event) the character does not have continuing nobility throughout the rest of the seasons. The contrasts to Teri Bauer who only appeared in season 1 but is still mentioned in season 7.--Lucy-marie (talk) 13:21, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
The scope of this article is for Minor characters only. This article's fundamental structure hasn't changed at all, and I think that the new name "Recurring and minor characters" would push some people to merge notable characters into here, however removing a substantial amount of encyclopedic information. Each character entry still has only about two sentences for it. That's not enough. That said, I'll make a posting on your talk page Lucy, in the spirit of trying to establish a compromise. Steve Crossin Talk/24 20:12, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
The page is not exclusively for minor characters . It is for minor and recurring characters, if it was only for minor characters ten the name would not have been changed of the article. I think hat clarification of the criteria for inclusion in this article needs to be made.--Lucy-marie (talk) 12:00, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
I agree completely to the proposal to have a separate article on George Mason as:
At the time that those plot lines were airing, Mason DID have a major impact.He was the second character to die while being part of the main cast.George was honored with the second silent clock in the history of 24 which makes his character important in the 24-universe.
Lucy said: "While the character may have done something major in one season (season 2 nuke crash event) the character does not have continuing nobility throughout the rest of the seasons. The contrasts to Teri Bauer who only appeared in season 1 but is still mentioned in season 7."
I strongly disagree to this as, In season 5, Christopher Henderson claims that he was framed for wrongdoing at CTU, and listed George Mason as one of the people possibly responsible, along with Nina Myers.[1]
There are many other examples of what makes Mason significant, but those are just a few out of the many more I could come up with.
Also i would like to bring to your attention that,as a result of the alleged edit war,while the article "George Mason" redirects to the minor and recurring character page,there is no mention of him in the page.Please look into the issue.Jonathan George[jonamonu2005] (talk) 19:40, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Please find reliable independent third party sources establishing notability in the real world for this character and then if that can be established the character can have a separate page. Please see Martha Logan or Michael Tritter as an example of establishing notability.--Lucy-marie (talk) 00:17, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
If reliable independent third party accounts cannot be found the verifiability is failed for the character. Also as for the characters impact in show that is all original research through opinion this fails No original research, without reliable secondary sources.--Lucy-marie (talk) 00:39, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
please see Minor CTU agents in 24 for the information regarding this character.--Lucy-marie (talk) 00:17, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
George Mason should have a separate article. --86.41.130.190 (talk) 00:33, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm proposing a split as, while I disagree somewhat with the new page title, I'm willing to compromise. But one or two sentences about some of these characters, who were quite major in their respective seasons, isn't enough. I'd suggest these splits, so each character's entry can be expanded. However, having all of that on this page would make the page size far too long. In line with this, I propose a split, which should mean that encyclopedic information is not lost, while characters who may not warrant an article could be merged to the respective article. Steve Crossin Talk/24 21:20, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I see no problem with that, I am just concerned that the scope of major characters could be too broad based and lead to too many individual articles and a disparity of information and a similar situation before te waves of mergers took place.--Lucy-marie (talk) 12:02, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
However, where would the Other characters go? Perhaps Other minor characters in 24? This page should become a disambiguation page, I think. Steve Crossin Talk/Help us mediate! 09:52, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
I disagree with merging this article. --213.94.238.105 (talk) 23:19, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Sarah Gavin is being redirected in this page even though she is not being mentioned here. Either delete the redirection or put a character profile for Sarah. Thanks 119.95.143.107 (talk) 04:05, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
I've moved the article back to it's original title. The scope of this article, originally, was for minor characters only, who only needed two or three sentences about them in each season. The fact that this page has become the "final resting place" for some articles of characters that were major in their respective season means that this article, at it's present name, won't achieve what it should achieve. It's really only an article name, and most of the redirects for the respective articles target back to the "Minor characters in 24" page, so I'm changing the article title back. I'm happy to further discuss my reasoning, it's basically that expanding the scope of the article to "recurring and minor characters" includes almost everyone except the main cast, which, if encyclopedic information were to be saved, would blow out this article's size to a ridiculous one. Please post here, or on my talk page, if you have further enquiries. Steve Crossin The clock is ticking.... 06:52, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
There was a request to split this page into two or more pages. As this list deals with minor characters, and the length of this page is due to excess information written without citing appropriate sources and in a manner contrary to the Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction) guideline, the first aim of editors here would be to reduce this list into a managable page for the common reader, and to source all information. It is possible that the bulk of the material on this page is more suited to a specialist publication, such as 24.wikia.com, than a general interest encyclopedia. The split tag has been removed. SilkTork *YES! 23:21, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
In Yusuf Auda's description, it is stated that he is from an "unnamed Arab country", when this is not true. Upon review of the second season, it is not said that he is from an "Arab" country, but rather from a middle-eastern country. The middle-east is comprised of more than simply Arabs and to state that it is simply Arabs would be biased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.1.55.195 (talk) 00:18, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Please be sure that all additions to the article are verifiable. Any new items added to the article should have inline citations for each claim made. As a courtesy to editors who may have added claims previously, before Wikipedia citation policy is what it is today, some of the existing unsourced claims have been tagged ((citation needed)) to allow some time for sources to be added. N2e (talk) 15:10, 8 July 2015 (UTC)