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This article is completely unreferenced except by the IMDB cite and cites to the subject's own website. It also appears that much of the article was written by the subject or a friend, and so WP:VANITY should be reviewed carefully by the editors. Please add more references to reliable sources (WP:RS) or information will need to be deleted. -- Ssilvers 22:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
An editor has deleted a fact tag, and it appears there is a conflict of interest:
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Hello evrybody who are suspicious! I`m here Mart Sander`s mother and I may confirm You, there is all true and I was very offended and hurt reading these suspects. Yes , no doubt, he is very highly talented man and there are too much envious people on his way. Do You think it is easy to be under Yours suspicions? Please check :
1) Divine Art Ltd. , who has released his music.
www.divine-art.com
info@divine-art.com
2)Gilbert & Sullivan Festival in Buxton, UK,
where he has been perfoming this year even third time
website: gs-festival.co.uk
email: gsfestival@gs-festival.co.uk
3) check from BBC Radio 3 - Brian Kay`s Light Programme
when he presente on 07.10.2004 Estonian group
Bel -Etage performing Edwardian musicals. And so he
playd Mart Sander some more times.
www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/bklp
4) Please, visit our homepage
www.bel-etage.ee
and You will be sure, nobody is cheating You.
5) He has just written a fantastic book in english
"LUX GRAVIS", The Tale Of the Different Truth.
The Question To All Answers.
Is it easy to find a publisher? May-be You are
the Publisher?
6) He really is painting too!!
Yours truly, Lembi Sander82.131.5.43 10:16, 6 September 2007 (UTC) info@bel-etage.ee
Dear Mrs. Sander, Please see WP:CITE and WP:RS. Sanders' own websites are not reliable sources for an article about Sander. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 17:41, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
I would like to state that I am the creator of this article and have absolutely no connection to, or have ever met Mr. Sander. Any fault with shoddy citations and lack of sources lies solely with me. I did, in fact, utilise Mart Sander's home page to gather information on him, but I resent the insinuation that I am a "minion" of Mr. Sander (or, Mart Sander himself) who created this page out of vanity. One only needs to check my IP to confirm that I am in Pennsylvania and not Estonia (I am, however, Estonian). Someone who knows Mr. Sander may have worked on this article after its creation, but it certainly wasn't the creator. ExRat 23:25, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
I tried to verify some of the claims this article makes for Mr Sander myself using the internet, but was unable to find any references there. Please add verifiable references for these claims as requested. Jack1956 14:44, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
If the unverified claims are not substantiated with citations and/or references then I will remove them. Jack1956 (talk) 22:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, Jack. I put back in a few of the facts with fact tags, hoping that someone will be able to come up with sources. I am pretty sure that he recorded the Monckton album, for example. If the references don't show up within, say, a month, I guess we'll have to take it out. -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:56, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone find any refs for this article? Is it notable per WP:MUS? Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:00, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, but that is the record company's publicity site. I have not doubt that The Swing Swindlers exists, but is it notable? Notable music ensembles usually have lots of independent reviews, etc. See WP:MUS and WP:RS. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:10, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Dear anonymous user: Do not add unreferenced information to this article. Citing Sander's website for all of these assertions is not acceptable on Wikipedia. Find reliable, verifiable sources. See WP:V and WP:RS. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:45, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I am concerned about the copyright status of the three images in the article. The uploader claims to own the copyright, but at least one of them appears on Mr Sander's website, implying that he owns the rights. If a full free use rationale is not provided then I will nominate them for speedy deletion as copyright violations. Jack1956 (talk) 16:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Please notify the uploader of your plans and see if there is a response. Please see also the Swing Swindlers article: I think that the images there should be treated the same, and that the uploader needs to get a notice. Would you please also notify the anonymous user who tried to rewrite the article today? I suspect that they are the same person. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
It isn't about 'trailing Mr Sanders around Wikipedia' or anyone else for that matter. It is about properly licensing images. If Mr Sander uploaded these images, and he owns the copyright to them, then he needs to licence them. Jack1956 22:29, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Image:Zanderz-by-Jarek-glamour.jpg has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion.
Image:Queen's-Visit-small.jpg has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion.
Image:Sanderi-näitus,-kevad-2006.jpg has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion.
Please respond there if you can help rescue them by correcting the licensing information. Jack, I don't think we should delete the Queen Elizabeth image, because I think it is fair use, since it provides visual evidence of statements made in this article. I could add a fair use summary if we can't show public domain. What do you think? -- Ssilvers 01:39, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Dear everyone, I had no idea every single upload is being discussed to the extremes! So let me present myself: my name is Mart Sander, and I do hold copyright to each of the pictures that I have uploaded. These were made by the photographers who work for me, they have been paid for their work and resultingly I own the copyright. Uploading the pictures I do release them into public domain. If there are any problems, my e-mail is mart@martsander.com. Cheers and merry Christmas, Mart.
-- Ssilvers (talk) 22:34, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
The article seems has made a lot of progress, it doesn't read like a recommendation letter any more, is well referenced if not over refd and strictly factual. Therefore, if it was up to me, I'd remove the tag! Thanks!--Termer (talk) 05:53, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I have removed the following tages:
((multiple issues)) ((COI|date=October 2012)) ((peacock|date=October 2012))
As the original creator of the page, I have written the bulk of this article, that was then heavily sourced and referenced by myself and several other editors. I do not know Mart Sander in any way, shape or form. Although the article has seemingly been edited by Mr. Sander, I do not see any evidence of WP:peacock whatsoever. The article does read like an encyclopedia entry and is devoid of any flattery that I can see. ExRat (talk) 23:00, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
I agree, Sander Säde. Would you please go ahead to update the article? -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:53, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
Which order is it, actually? It doesn't seem to be the one in the article Order of Saint Stanislaus. It rather looks like one of those mentioned in International Order of Saint Stanislaus: There are three or four Orders of Saint Stanislaus today. These different Orders and Grandmasters do not recognize each other as legitimate successors or revivals of the Order of Saint-Stanislaus and none of them is recognized by the Polish government. If it is deemed important enough to mention, it should be also important enough to be clarified. --Oop (talk) 09:12, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
I have removed the proposed deletion tag as it isn't warranted whatsoever. The subject meets notability in many respects: has been in films, on television, has recorded music, etc. He was the host of several Estonian television programmes and is well-known to the Estonian public. ExRat (talk) 15:25, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
I concur. Prince of Thieves (talk) 15:35, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
The opening sentences of this article are a direct WP:COPYVIO of this page from the Kennedy Centre website, and should therefore be rewritten.--Smerus (talk) 17:29, 20 March 2018 (UTC)