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Surely we can't allow things like this is our articles:
"Barrymore however, has gained much popularity in his recent appearance in 'Celebrity Big Brother'. However, whether this is the signalling of his big comeback remains to be seen. Tabloid newspapers were responsible for ruining his career in 2001 and have recently been tearing him apart during this stint."
How many normal people end up with a dead person in their swimming pool with anal injuries and then get away with denying any involvement in it? All press speculation on Barrymore is legitimate. Also Barrymore also confessed to a relative of George Michael that he was in fact involved. This "celebrity" has unresolved issues the main one is a MURDER. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.87.61 (talk) 22:51, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
This is obviously someone expressing their personal opinion I would move to change it aleast to a more netural tone Grandwazir 14:04, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
There are WAY too many quotes from The Sun newspaper in this article. Too many to make it credible. As anybody with an IQ above room temperature will know The Sun is a rancid scandal sheet and is one of the least reliable sources in the British media. However, non-UK readers of this article may not be as aware of The Sun's dubious reputation. In the interests of preserving any kind of integrity for this article, can we please avoid quoting The Sun.
This article requires a rewrite I will try and do it today. BlueKangaroo 09:45, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Great, SqueakBox 13:48, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
The article seems fine to me.
This BBC article - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/3579653.stm - says that Barrymore was actually sued for £100,000 (not that Terry Lubbock merely intended to sue him) - any other details on the outcome of this?
Do read the Mark Simpson interview[1], it's fascinating stuff. --highgater 15:24, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
very good article - andrew roberts
Is Michael Barrymore merely a stage name, or has he actually changed his name to it? Proteus (Talk) 19:56, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Barrymore ran off and phoned his agent before phoning an ambulance (in fact did he subsequently call one?) That was the key part of his downfall? Compare the Art Malik case etc and watch the Martin Bashir interview where Barrymore tried to justify his actions - someone found dead in the swimming pool of a celebrity doesn't automatically end the career of that celebrity. Surely the key point in his downfall was Barrymore's responses to Lubbock being found dead in the pool - once those responses were made public (compared to say Art Malik's response to the person dead in his pool). Barrymore ran off from the scene (his own house) and phoned his agent not an ambulance - surely it was that which finished him in the eyes of the public even before his reticence at the inquest etc?
Barrymore's explanation for the anal injuries (caused by a thermometer at the hospital etc) has always been entirely speculative, highly unlikely, and self serving? Gay/bisexual man attends drug and alcohol theme party including other gay/bisexual men and ends up with a badly damaged anus. Barrymore's claim that instead a nurse later did it with a thermometer when taking the temperature of Lubbock's body etc needs to be stated as a utterly ridiculous proposition given the alternative and far more likely scenario? (Many sources on this issue seem to equate the anal damage with a lack of consent by Lubbock - which might not be the case). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr gobrien (talk • contribs) 17:40, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
(Updated - having watched the Channel 4 documentary from February 2020 I am now satisfied that Stuart Lubbock was neither gay nor bisexual - though such a negative can't be proved of course)
Is it just me or just this look like it has been lifted from somewhere, I am sure I read it when I was researching this article. Grandwazir 15:15, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
If you are referring to my paragraph then no - I was just adding what I consider common knowledge.
NOTE: Contributors are reminded that only the basic facts of the Lubbock case relating to Michael Barrymore's life and career (ie those that are usually mentioned in non-tabloid news stories on Barrymore) need be mentioned in this article. In-depth reports, blow-by-blow legal proceedings, theories, controversies, opinions, investigations, police inquiries and statements by the Lubbock family really belong in the separate Stuart Lubbock article, not here. The January 2006 Bennett and Lubbock Private Prosecution, for instance, is only worth the briefest of mentions until it results in Barrymore actually answering questions in court, at the very least. This article is about what Barrymore is doing, not what Anthony Bennett or Tony Lubbock are doing. --highgater 22:26, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
There is no evidence that Lubbock was Sexually assaulted, this statement is not true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by R4h4al (talk • contribs) 12:57, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
Quote - In the days after Stuart's death, a post-mortem was carried out. But the four pathologists who conducted inquiries could not agree on a definitive cause of death, leading the coroner recording an 'unascertainable' open verdict after a five-day inquest. Each of the experts found horrific internal injuries and damage to the anus, consistent with rape or a serious sexual assault, with one stating they could have been caused by a hard, fist-sized object being forced into the victim. Professor Jack Crane went further, saying the injuries "were indicative of a serious sexual assault".
Source - www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/michael-barrymore-pool-victim-stuart-21428173
(This is a very poor Wikipedia page where even the basics are disputed - the Channel 4 show from February 2020 was an absolute open goal when challenging all the rubbish put forward. I think a higher up at Wikipedia needs to be brought in to examine the Stuart Lubbock section to restore credibility to the brand)
This is from The Guardian, it should be acceptable. Proxima Centauri (talk) 13:50, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
To 'Readallaboutit'. Please can you refrain from adding lines about the latest press quotes by Terry Lubbock or Anthony Bennett to this Michael Barrymore article? Add them to their own biogs: create a Terry Lubbock article if you must. The MB article is about what MB does, not others do. I respectfully note from your contrib history that you have a personal interest in Anthony Bennett, due to his UKIP / Veritas past. Fair enough, but that's not relevant to a Wiki article about Michael Barrymore's life and career. Thanks! --highgater 17:06, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
I've edited the article to include details on the hospital inquiry launched in January 2003. I think it's important enough to include in the article, particularly in the interests of balance. However, it does need tidying up with the appropriate links put in.--highgater 07:37, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Is it me or does this article need some serious cleaning up? This is meant to be about Barrymore, not a detailed report of everything concerning the death of someone who was at one of his parties. A slow trickle of details on this has been being inserted, skeweing the focus severely. Barbara Osgood 22:25, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Someone has added a link to a Daily Mirror article in the Links section of the Wiki entry, though there seems to be no reason for adding this and it doesn't benefit the Wiki entry in any way. There are already many references to news articles (a place better suited to external news articles) that accompany valuable text contributions to the entry so if the poster would like to imrpove the article by writing some good content and use this link as a reference then that would be great, otherwise there seems little point in just linking to news articles without reason for doing so. There are literally hundreds of articles about Michael Barrymore all over the web and we'd end up with a long unhelpful list if people just added the ones they come across to the external links section.
All it says is Barrymore did this 1st Feb
On the 2nd of Feb somebody else did something else
This man, like him or loathe him, has had a varied career - this report just concentrates on one major (albeit tragic) matter and is not really a valid encyclopaedic entry!
There, I've said my piece now.
Woah...this article needs major cleanup! I tried adding ((cleanup|July 2006)) but on a PDA the size of the article is too great to save the edit. Please can someone add it for me. Be bold and all, but I haven't got time at the moment - plus the size limit anyway. Cheers.
— Gary Kirk | talk! 18:08, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
His father was a serial killer????? I think we should require a source for that
The article claims that Barrymore has been arrested along with two other men citing a link to a news article on the BBC. However as of writing the bbc article states that Essex police have refused to say if Barrymore has been arrested. Deckchair 10:16, 14 June 2007 (UTC) http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,70131-1270525,00.html 81.174.140.46 10:36, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
This link says he's been arrested. Corvus cornix 22:15, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Barrymore's solicitor has now confirmed he is in custody. Harry was a white dog with black spots 14:31, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I have listed this article at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. Although there are lots of references, each of the allegations should be specifically sourced, or removed. For instance, the information about the two men initially arrested in the murder. Where is that information sourced? Corvus cornix 22:14, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
"The recent newspaper article in the Daily Mirror accounts Barrymore forcing himself, money and drugs onto a 17 year old homosexual male. This is not related in the article to what happened in the Stuart Lubbock affair. Barrymore is clearly a sexual predator."
I think you will find if you look at the Daily Mirror article, it's an excuse to show what is essentially a photo of Barrymore in a gay club, in which there happened to also be a 17yr old boy on E pill. Is this really encyclopaedia content? Certainly not grounds to call him "clearly a sexual predator". Gay hater! Michaeldrayson 12:52, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes in some ways but as boy not in the picture and barrymore not supping on an E or killing lubbock hard it a leap to go and title section "SEXUAL PREDATOR"
it should perhaps go "FAMILY ENTERTAINER"? Michaeldrayson 11:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
oh and no I don't hate gays Michaeldrayson 11:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
do you think that I hate gays? I don't associate them with drug forcing or recall any sex with the teenager in the article?? Michaeldrayson 11:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
I have never had a drug force by a gay Michaeldrayson 11:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Be civil! He's calling him a SEXUAL PREDATOR! Does that mean he's a Sexual Pre-Dater? As in he sexes people before he dates them? Or that he PREYS on people like a bird of prey, an eagle or an owl, perhaps, but in a sex way?
Fair enough, the daily mirror said that, but they say a lot of things. Do you remember when the Sun accused Elton John of cutting the voice boxes out of his dogs? And they didn't even have the right sort of dog in the article, let alone the missing voice box!
"Barrymore is clearly a sexual predator" seems a fairly strong statement to make. Clearly? Based on a dubious artickle in the Daily Mirror? That's a bit like saying "Lubbock clearly died with an apple up his ass forced there by lustful and predatory Michael Barrymore", no? Michaeldrayson 14:04, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Yes! Thank you Salix Alba! This is what I mean. Enough of these calling me "THE PIG MAN" McGeddon! Just because Michael Barrymore has not taken any legal action against the mirror does not mean that the article is libellious. I propose that the statement that Barrymore did the e-pill forcing and made other trouble in the gay club is a dubious one. However it does have a citation so we can't say [citation needed]. I learn. Michaeldrayson 13:40, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
"Michael Ciaran Parker (born 4 May 1952) is an English comedian better known by his stage name Michael Barrymore."
Michael Parker was never an English comedian. Michael Barrymore (an English comedian? - very funny but a 'comedian'?) might have been born Michael Parker but he's not 'better known...'he is Michael Barrymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.109.65.28 (talk) 21:58, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Just a reminder that we do not aspire to the same levels of sleaze as papers like The Sun. We need to present a well-balanced summary of the guy's life, not shying away from reporting controversy where it can be reliably sourced, but not dwelling on every tabloid allegation either. We are an encyclopedia; we do not make judgements on someone's character or their guilt, we report the reliably sourced facts in a proportionate way. WP:BLP is worth a look too; we absolutely do not publish unreferenced negative info about living people. --John (talk) 04:13, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Exclusive: We reveal Susan Boyle's first TV talent show audition - for Michael Barrymore
Susan Boyle —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jodawi (talk • contribs) 01:48, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
The Lubbock section is as big as the rest of the article put together. I've already removed two The Sun sourced paragraphs (as a muckraking tabloid, The Sun in no way meets WP:RS) and one dubious Daily Mail article (the Mail is okay for factual articles but has tabloid leanings when dealing with celebrities). Exxolon (talk) 23:22, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
michaels ethnicity is white irish surely — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amazon543 (talk • contribs) 21:34, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
Why is his wife referred-to under the name Cheryl St. Claire and also Cheryl Conklin? There was no other marriage. Valetude (talk) 23:22, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
Barrymore met his first wife Cheryl Cocklin in 1974...
I'm not making these changes since others might object. But:
(a) shouldn't the opening refer to his career collapsing - that he was a major star and then "suddenly" TV poison seems to be the most interesting thing about him, and (b) the 2017 judgement that he was due more than nominal damages, was overturned the next year — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.132.229.110 (talk) 16:11, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
The section is too large. It needs its own article with only the details pertaining to Barrymore included in this one. The death is notable by all the press coverage on its investigation.
With an arrest made of someone who is not Barrymore, this needs a new article quickly. 81.153.37.24 (talk) 09:22, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
The Stuart Lubbock article and the Stuart Lubbock inquest article are currently just redirects, one could be expanded. Proxima Centauri (talk) 14:13, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
The Stuart Lubbock inquest article originally had a great deal of information. It was cut dowxn to a redirect. We need to take care that any new article isn't similarly cut down. Proxima Centauri (talk) 15:08, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
I restored [Stuart Lubbock inquest, moved it into a new article, Death of Stuart Lubbock and linked to the Michael Barrymore page. Those who feel the section on the death is too long can clean up the old article and transfer material there. Proxima Centauri (talk) 12:52, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
We also need to take care that the link to the Death of Stuart Lubbock article in the Michael Barrymore article here isn't taken out, check here. Proxima Centauri (talk) 10:40, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Were these separate complaints, or can the last seven words be omitted? – AndyFielding (talk) 10:49, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
The article has Barrymore spent his early career working as a Redcoat at Butlins holiday camps and then in the West End theatre shows of London, where he met dancer and lifelong friend Cheryl Cocklin in 1974.
Surely if they met in 1974, when Barrymore was 22 years old and Cocklin 24 years old, the term lifelong friend is not at all accurate. So I have deleted it. CollyCarrot (talk) 19:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)