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According to the ULDC official website, Owen Spencer Smith was confirmed by a member of the Council of Fifty (most likely his grandfather) instituted by Joseph Smith Jr. The group was founded as the Smith clan or Smithites about the time of Winter Quarters in Nebraska. It became known as the "United Latter-day Church of Jesus Christ" most recently under Heber Gerald Smith's leadership. Heber just passed away between August 5th and 6th in the night. -Sthatting 06:01, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
There should be a list with more information about different Mormon Fundamentalist groups on Wikipedia. I know that MF.org is a good resource, but I've also done some researching on the subject and there appears to be a larger church growing (though I am unsure how big because it is in Utah and I'm in California.) called the United Latter-day Church of Jesus Christ that is a spin-off of the FLDS Church. I suppose you can do what you want with the info, unless you folks already know. -71.102.141.168 03:56, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
As with Muslim suicide bombers, these people are not adhering to the fundamentals of their own religion, and would more properly be defined as "para-Mormons" or perhaps "fringe-Mormons". Drjackcv (talk) 00:55, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone have a reference for the reason in:
If not, may I remove "For doctrinal and image reasons"? Nereocystis 17:46, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
The citations for the doctrinal argument is stronger than the image argument. In the 1890s, there was probably an image argument. I'm glad you added the section the word doctrinal. How about this, letting the reader follow the links if s/he cares, and adding the link:
Nereocystis 17:29, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
Here's another reference for "doctrinal" [3]. In any case, we can remove both, if you want, but the reasoning would be doctrinal. The church seldom caters to image issues reactively, but proactivly. -Visorstuff 18:10, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
I agree with COGDEN about deleting both. The statements against those practicing the United Order, or other early Mormon teachings, are not as strong as those against polygamy, suggesting that image is an issue. Deleting both image and doctrine seems like the best solution. Nereocystis 20:24, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
I've removed. -Visorstuff 21:56, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
I am in favour of merging the articles. It seems pointless and sloppy to have them separated. However I do think it would be wise to add the "Polygamous Mormon Fundamentalists" section as a subtopic of the article itself.
do not merge the articles. some people probably come to wiki searching for the difference between what they have heard called "mormon fundamentalism" and "mormon." different articles is the best way to clarify this.
I'm in favor if -
"Polygamous Mormons" is an inappropriate title, as the people themselves do NOT refer to themselves in this way. They refer to themselves as "Fundamentalist Mormons" or "Mormon Fundamentalists". The fact that at least half of all Fundamentalist Mormons are not currently practicing polygamy, in my opinion, further supports the use of "Fundamentalist Mormon" as the title. I am not aware of any "Fundamentalist Mormons" who do NOT espouse polygamy as part of their belief system. However, it would be inaccurate to refer to all Fundamentalists as polygamists, since they are not all actually practicing polygamy, and many may never practice it. I myself am an Independent Fundamentalist Mormon, but I am not currently a polygamist. It would be inaccurate of me to refer to myself as a polygamist, even though I support the practice as part of my belief system.
To clarify some confusion: Not all "polygamists" are Fundamentalist Mormons. There are those who are Christian, Muslim, etc. Not all Fundamentalist Mormons are polygamists. Not all Fundamentalist Mormons are affiliated with "polygamous" groups; some are Independents and affiliate with NO ecclesiastical organization at all, but may associate socially with other Independents. If the Wikipedia is going to be accurate, it needs to be SPECIFIC. 67.172.251.100 18:17, 1 February 2006 (UTC)Mary at Principle Voices, www.principlevoices.org
I refer to myself as a "Mormon Fundamentalist" and do not understand that Gordon B. Hinkley has any right to say that there is no such thing... I am not calling myself a "Mormon" (Fundamentalist Mormon) therefore I am not infringing on his membership status criteria. I am just stating that I am a Fundamentalist who believes in the fundamentals of Mormonism. I am also a "Polygamous Mormon Fundamentalist" because I believe and abide the patriachal law of Abraham given to him by God. A fundamentalist is a fundamentalist of whatever he believes in as long as it is congruent with the original (or fundamental) doctrines of the organizer of those beliefs, i.e. God (plural marriage), Joseph Smith (mormonism), etc. Maybe there are some "Polygamous Fundamentalists" out there that do not want to be connected with Mormonism in anyway or with a "Group" of polygamists, but I understand these pages to be about those who believe in polyganous relations because of what was origianlly taught by Joseph Smith, the organizer of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. So, I say merge it all together and give a few short expanations.
Thought this recap of how most of the major mormon fundamentalist polygamous groups trace their authority would be useful at a later date [4]. -Visorstuff 18:37, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Why has Mormon Fundamentalist not been merged with this article? Bytebear 01:28, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Why has Polygamous Mormon fundamentalist not been merged with this article? Bytebear 01:35, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I merged Polygamous Mormon fundamentalist into this page. Original page can be found here Talk:Mormon fundamentalism/merged article Old talk page can be found here Talk:Mormon fundamentalism/merged article talk page or here Talk:Polygamous Mormon fundamentalist. Kewp (t) 19:55, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
I've merged histories... See also Talk:Polygamous Mormon fundamentalist. Cool Hand Luke 07:58, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Is that image a pro-mormon protest or an anti-mormon protest? I know of some people from suych famlies abandoning the mormon religion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.132.2 (talk • contribs)
One editor has stated in an edit summary: "The LDS General Handbook of Instructions could be interpreted to allow for excommunication for personal beliefs where such beliefs are considered to be the 'teachings of apostate sects'."
I don't know what your reference is for that statement, but the latest (2006) Handbook of Instructions would not allow for excommunication based on beliefs alone. For excommunication to proceed on the basis of "apostasy", there must be some action or practice of the LDS member apart from mere beliefs. Examples are repeated teaching of "apostate doctrine", joining another church, affiliating or following the teachings of Mormon fundamentalists, etc. All these things are "actions."
The Handbook says that apostasy occurs when a member "repeatedly act[s] in clear, open, and deliberate public opposition to the Church or its leaders" and also includes those who repeatedly present information as church doctrine that is not church doctrine and those who repeatedly follow the teachings of apostate sects or those who formally join another church.[1]
I would love to hear of how to justify an excommuncation for beliefs alone based on these criteria. –SESmith 04:55, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
That same quote is included as you quoted it in the 2006 version unchanged. I interpret "follow" to mean, as one dictionary definition says, "to conform to, comply with, or act in accordance with; obey". To me anyways, this implies that the person is actively doing something beyond believing these things in his own head. He could be (1) teachings them to others or (2) putting beliefs into actions, by, for example, engaging in plural marriage. If there are not actions demonstrating a following, I am seriously skeptical that excommunication would ever take place.
The persons excommunicated over Adam–God were—I speculate—actively engaged in teaching it to others. The same author you quote says, "To find members who are so selective in their beliefs and so adamant and impatient in their declarations, that they are excommunicated is very unfortunate." This mention of the member being so "adamant" in their beliefs and "impatient in their declaration" reveals that these people were either teaching others or announcing their views in public, which are actions. It's semantics, I know, but the distinction is important. No one is excommunicated for beliefs unless they are manifested in some sort of practice or teaching. –SESmith 08:09, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
The LDS church strives to separate itself from polygamy and the Mormon fundamentalist groups. This site portrays that the LDS church and the Mormon fundamentalist groups are related. I've tried to fix that but someone keeps changing it, please do your research and stop relating the LDS church and the Mormon fundamentalist groups.
Exactly my point. "Mormon fundamentalism is distinct from Mormonism as it is practiced today by the LDS Church." and IS practiced today by the LDS church" Mormon fundamentalism IS NOT practiced today by the LDS church, it is practiced by the FLDS and other "spin offs" of the LDS church. But it is NOT practiced by the LDS church today. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rwhin2010 (talk • contribs) 20:54, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Well I guess the sentence should be phrased different. Because it says Mormon Fundamentalism is distinct from Mormonism and it is practiced by the LDS church. it sounds like Mormon Fundamentalism, not Mormonism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rwhin2010 (talk • contribs) 02:10, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you to whoever revised that sentence. It clears up confusion. Thanks again
Shouldn't this article be named Latter Day Saint fundamentalism or Fundamentalism in the Latter Day Saint movement? Most non-LDS groups tend to shy away from using the term "Mormon" for themselves, and the LDS church agrees. 69.182.119.70 (talk) 17:30, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Mormon fundamentalism is distinct from Mormonism as it practiced today by the LDS Church.-needs rewording. These people aren't actually Mormon(LDS).
Very bad wording and sources
71.145.156.14 (talk) 01:47, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
An article on the slang term "plyg" has been created, and there is is not enough to support it as a standalone article, so it should be merged here. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 23:16, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
IMHO: Fundamentalism and fundamentalist have been turned in somewhat a slur word dating at least from the time when the media began to use the term to mean extremist and in particular Moslem bombers, none of which to my knowledge call themselves by the term fundamentalist. These terms properly refer to the movement which arose around the time of post-WWI,movement which sought to maintain the historical basics of Christianity in opposition to the modernist movement which was denying those basic truths. Fundamentalism insisted that although there was a lot of permissible disagreement among Christians, to be Christian required at least a belief in some few basics like the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the Bible as God's Word, justification by faith, the resurrection, and the substitutionary atonement of Christ. I suggest that this article would be better entitled Mormon movements which embrace polygamy. (PeacePeace (talk) 06:42, 12 June 2016 (UTC))
"polygyny first taught by Joseph Smith," ??? I don't think Joseph Smith was the first to teach that a man could have plural wives. I suggest that "first" be deleted. Perhaps it would better read: "polygyny taught by the founder of Mormonism, Joseph Smith. (PeacePeace (talk) 06:47, 12 June 2016 (UTC))
Isn't it a fact that the LDS still believe in polygyny, only they have moved it to life after death? Don't they believe that after death a man can have several wives in Heaven or on the New Earth? And do they seal plural wives in this life with the proviso that it won't actually be practiced until Heaven or until the New Earth? (PeacePeace (talk) 06:52, 12 June 2016 (UTC))
So is it a fact that for such men, polygyny is not just allowable, but an essential to a proper religious life? And then polygyny is not just a "true belief," but a basic belief, without which a man should not be called a Mormon or a Latter Day Saint? So without a plurality of wives, a man would go to the Lake of Fire as fornicators do? (PeacePeace (talk) 04:44, 14 June 2016 (UTC))
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Now, obviously the grand majority of people who hear the words "Mormon Fundamentalist" are going to think of the mostly Rocky Mountain groups that practice polygamy, but "Fundamentalist" can refer to the conservative RLDS groups such as the Restoration Branches. Deseret News also called them Fundamentalists, see here: https://www.deseret.com/1990/7/8/18870563/fundamentalists-vow-to-retrieve-reins-of-rlds-church
Also BYU article discussing them (and referring to them as RLDS Fundamentalists). https://atom.lib.byu.edu/smh/30052/
Writing this to explain further the reasons for my edit if necessary. 69.120.202.15 (talk) 04:45, 15 December 2020 (UTC)