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This page is a rather blatant attempt to manufacture a narrative, whitewashing/minimizing the phenomenon of Asian/Muslim grooming gangs in the UK with a misleading title and introduction which are not supported by the rest of the page or the majority of sources. Only a single source refers to this as a "panic" of any sort. It is telling that the first reference to any actual data, in the second paragraph, reads "Some statistical analysis...", meanwhile the rest of the article indicates that the majority of "statistical analyses" unambiguously imply that Asian Muslims are overrepresented among group-based child sexual abuse perpetrators, including the Home Office study which, as detailed in the article, was misleadingly interpreted in line with the false narrative of this page. In modern parlance, this page is misinformation/disinformation and therefore should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lp9mm8g (talk • contribs) 15:10, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. This page is worse than pointless. It seeks to obfuscate. Riposte97 (talk) 20:26, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The title of this page has been changed from 'Muslim grooming gang panic' to 'South Asian Muslim grooming gang panic'. However, the sources referred to throughout the article do not refer this phenomenon as "South Asian Muslim grooming gangs"' but rather "Asian grooming gangs", "Muslim grooming gangs" or "Pakistani grooming gangs". After a quick Google search, I was also unable to find the term 'South Asian grooming gang' receiving mass usage. I believe this may be because Asian typically already refers to South Asians in the UK so it does not need further specification. The term is also inappropriate as it excludes perpetrators from regions outside of South Asia such as Afghans, Iranians, Iraqis, Kurds, Turks, Egyptians, Moroccans and Albanians who have been involved in notable cases. Given this, changing the page name may be in breach of WP:NOR or WP:NPOV. Kioj156 (talk) 19:27, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It has been proposed in this section that Muslim grooming gangs in the United Kingdom be renamed and moved to Ethnicity and grooming gangs in the United Kingdom. A bot will list this discussion on the requested moves current discussions subpage within an hour of this tag being placed. The discussion may be closed 7 days after being opened, if consensus has been reached (see the closing instructions). Please base arguments on article title policy, and keep discussion succinct and civil. Please use ((subst:requested move)). Do not use ((requested move/dated)) directly. Links: current log • target log • direct move

South Asian Muslim grooming gang panic → Ethnicity and grooming gangs in the United Kingdom – As discussed above, "South Asian" is not commonly used by sources. I don't think "moral panic" is unanimous/sourced enough to meet WP:NPOVTITLE. Taking a cue from this BBC article on the topic: "Grooming gangs and ethnicity: What does the evidence say?" Jonathan Deamer (talk) 19:16, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for starting this. Whilst I think the title is a step in the right direction, I am not sure it captures the religious element that has been reported to take place across numerous cases. I understand the controversy surrounding the term 'Asian grooming gangs' - on one end, the perception that it is a 'dog whistle' term that will only stoke community tensions and on the other by Sikh and Hindu groups who feel that it paints their entire demographic in a negative light when perpetrators are mostly neither Sikh or Hindu. However, one reason why the phenomenon has gained so much coverage is due to the perception that there is an over-representation of a certain demographic in the crime, and I do not believe the proposed title of 'Ethnicity and grooming gangs in the United Kingdom' accurately captures this. The 'moral panic' claim has also not received widespread adoption so I would not be in favour of it being included in a page title.

Multiple inquiries, investigations and victims have publicly spoken out that fears of linking race and religion to grooming gangs have prevented public discourse on this topic and I hope that we can learn from their failures. Therefore, I propose the title of 'Muslim grooming gangs in the United Kingdom'. This would capture the phenomenon of the over-representation with most of the Asian perpetrators involved in the numerous cases hailing from Pakistan as well as other Muslim-majority countries such as Afghanistan, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Egypt, Morocco, Bangladesh etc., and is supported by the Bhatti-Sinclair and Sutcliffe study.

If the title is renamed as so, a new section can be created to stress that Muslim organisations in the United Kingdom have spoken out against the practice. Kioj156 (talk) 12:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Muslim grooming gangs in the United Kingdom per above. The term "South Asian" isn't commonly used in the UK, where "Asian" usually only means people from South Asia. Asian grooming gangs in the United Kingdom would be okay, as most of them have been dominated by Asians, but it is true that the vast majority of the perpetrators have been Muslims, so omitting the religion would be odd and also could be construed as offensive to other Asians (although still entirely accurate). Asian Muslim grooming gangs in the United Kingdom would also be okay, but the vast majority of Muslims in the UK are Asian so it's pretty unnecessary. The proposed title is pretty meaningless. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:09, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Of course, simple Grooming gangs in the United Kingdom may be even better. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:30, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I also wondered that about Grooming gangs in the United Kingdom, but think that's served by Child sexual abuse in the United Kingdom#Group based child sexual exploitation and would change the scope of the article a bit. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 14:41, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    But that section is almost entirely about Asian Muslim grooming gangs just like this article is. I'm not sure why it would change the scope of the article. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:08, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support any of the suggestions so far as better than current. The current title is a rather egregious framing that doesn't accurately reflect either the coverage in RS or, for that matter, the reality in the UK. Both the grooming gangs and the panic that they triggered are real phenomena, though one is clearly a consequence of the other, and it doesn't make sense to frame the article just in terms of the reaction. Woshiwaiguoren (talk) 06:56, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support for Muslim grooming gangs in the United Kingdom or simply Grooming gangs in the United Kingdom, the ''panic'' part is an egregious POV issue. Killuminator (talk) 11:19, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]