Old talk archive[edit]

Talk:OpenSUSE/Archive - SUSE Linux

I suggest we delete all comments/messages on this page older than 2015, right?


Unless they say something clever

Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater (just because the baby is now old enough to vote...). But, when you run across a comment that is out of date, e.g. complaining about needing to change something that was changed years ago, or find something that just needs correction, please don't stand on ceremony. Fix it!

Clean Up or Merge[edit]

This article seems to be lacking direction. I propose that openSUSE be clearly defined and separated from the SUSE article, or just be merged into one gigantic SUSE page. Lets really think about this and what we can do to clean up the articles to make them more distinct. Just a thought, would like to hear input negative and positive. Nuclearmound (talk) 14:34, 24 November 2007 (UTC)Nuclearmound[reply]

Yast servers[edit]

On the page it says:

The YaST Online Update servers (previously available only to paying SUSE Professional customers) are now free.

I used SuSE since version 9.1, and the YOU servers were free ... so it's not a change from "previously" (9.X Professional), and I don't think this statement should be kept in the article. --AM088 21:01, 19 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure that you did use the Home edition, not the Professional one? User:logixoul 16:07, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

For the SUSE Linux Professional, Personal versions the updates were always free. For the SUSE Linux Enterprise products they are not free. -Marcus Meissner

[outdated comment] Bias[edit]

Article is heavily biased in favor of GNOME. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Judas (talk • contribs)

How? --logixoul 12:37, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well basically, this article should be in favour (bias) of GNOME as now, openSUSE defaults to this interface. Im sure that in articles such as Knoppix, bias is geared heavily toward KDE. As you can see, while yes KDE is a part of openSUSE, it is simply not the central GUI used anymore. --H a m m o 08:28, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
openSUSE doesn't default to either the gnome or kde desktop; Novell's SLED 10 defaults to gnome though. 88.105.200.57 21:24, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If anything openSUSE should be biased to KDE. According to the official openSUSE user survey around 72% of users say thay use KDE compared to 22% using gnome.
Actually, the user is given a choice during the install process between KDE and Gnome --Taylor 20:00, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, TBH, that last comment might be a little bit dated as KDE is the default DE, but GNOME, and others, are available as options when installing. Moreover, there are a lot of different desktop environments, and I am going to update the page to list them, once I figure out what they all are. Others, please feel free comment. DrKC MD (talk) 22:54, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think we need to update this article a wee bit[edit]

Releases

microOS, whether as a server container host, or as a workstation is a rather different animal than just the distinction between rolling release and fixed release. In fact, I think it is big enough difference to warrant a significant discussion or its own page. It would be great to have a nice description that someone with a reasonable appreciation of what an operating system is can follow what the various other versions do.

Right now, openSUSE is trying to be everything to everyone. With OBS, that isn't a totally outrageous notion, but the overall view of what can run openSUSE and how it can be used is evasive, and the openSUSE documentation suffers from the same problem that we have here in that it is largely dependent on someone who has the motivation time, expertise, and willingness to endure criticism to pull together.

As an editorial, as a long-time (I paid actual money--and did get a nice paper instruction manual--for my personal edition of SuSE 9) user and proponent of openSUSE, it is becoming harder to understand what all the various projects and tools are, and how they fit together. I think, having a somewhat detailed encyclopedia article would be helpful to a broader community who might want to compare distributions, etc. while leaving the "how to" to the openSUSE documentation projects.

I would suggest the following summary points

OpenSUSE Uses

=OpenSUSE Repositories[edit]

Having some listing of what non-'home' repos available, and what they contain, is pretty important to understanding openSUSE and why it can be so many different things. This doesn't seem to be common knowledge, at least in terms of people who write distribution reviews who are quick to tout some distribution which has a single design feature (e.g. rolling update, or is a Gnome desktop, or is good for software development, or is platform for datascience, or bioinformatics, or particle physics, or all that other things that a single purpose distro might specialize in but which openSUSE also does just fine.

Major Components

Optional Components/Configuration

Network Services

amavisd-new - High-Performance E-Mail Virus Scanner)

Containers

Its a fashionable topic. But one thing that you can do w/ openSUSE is set it up to either be your (in the) container runtime or run your containers, ditto for working as VM host/VM/cloud computing OS host/cloud computing OS client. One might be tempted to think that any distribution with all of these container runtimes and tools must be a specialized operating system for containers, rather than just yet another example of how flexible openSUSE is.

Security

Desktop Environments

End user specialized software

This is too numerous to list. But the range of specialized software is likely to be surprising to people who don't use their computer for much more than word processing, email, and web browsing. E.g. geographic visualization systems (i.e. combine maps, geographic/geologic/environmental/remote sensing and live data to create a 3D virtual environment so you can explore an area w/o being exposed to its hazards), next generation gene sequencing with protein prediction and modeling of small molecule docking with the resulting protein to screen for drug candidates for patients with a specific type of disease your discovered doing statistical analysis and machine learning of data in an electronic health record system, nuclear physics simiulation and analysis, creation and editing/post-production including sound track authoring/computer synthesizers of feature-length 3-D animated movie w/ mixed live action following the script you wrote, bulding software from requirments analysis to testing and packages with documentation generation and publication in multiple formats, etc. etc.

Distribution/Project[edit]

I have been told that openSUSE is a project, whereas SUSE Linux is a distribution. If any merge should take place, it would be openSUSE into SUSE Linux, as SUSE Linux is the more significant phenomenon. - Samsara (talk • contribs) 13:41, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. --logixoul 11:32, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think NOVELL is making SUSE Linux as of 10.0 thay only handle SUSE Linux Enterprise (suse.com goes to SUSE Linux Enterprise) - Mtmtmt
I agree with the above. OpenSuSE is a project for improving SuSE. There are still a lot of Novell developers working on SUSE (actually most of the internal developers are with Novell). Especialy with 10.1 not having a seperate OSS edition, (to a certian extent) OpenSUSE and SUSE are more distinct. --Micahgeek 22:18, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think that they should be kept separate, at least for now. ~Linuxerist E/L/T 17:23, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree; either they should be kept separate, or openSUSE merged into SUSE, not the other way round. --Twenex 11:41, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. They can be kept separate or openSUSE should be a section in SUSE. -- Jamadagni 2006-07-06 17:40 UTC+0530
They are different - One is Open source other has closed stuff in it, they have different webpages and Opensuse.org makes it very clear there is a difference
Strongly disagree (see. my other post below)Just look at Fedora Project and Fedora Core However, the the distinction is not as apparent and openSUSE developers are mostly (if not all) employed by Novell. All in all, I agree with the merger and openSUSE redirected to Suse Linux --Emre D. 16:09, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the openSUSE article should be merged in to the SUSE Article. Rudraksha 01:14, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
keep separate for easier reading and referening Tobias Conradi (Talk) 20:17, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it's the other way around? Novell announced that the community/consumer edition will be named openSUSE after 10.2 has been released. So openSUSE is the new name, soon. --Wpks 21:55, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

READ THIS http://www.en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_News

If you read the mailing list post, community/Free/Consumer distribution will be named openSUSE again. Thus, commercial editions (SLES,SLED) shall be named Suse Linux Sorry for making my point not clear enough by using the wrong word (dropped). What I meant was, they had stopped using openSUSE with 10.1 but they decided to use it again with 10.2. Hope it is more clear now. Cheers. --Emre D. | Talk 03:50, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As per this discussion I removed the merge template. SUSE Linux and openSUSE won't get merged for now. Feel free to comment. --logixoul 16:07, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]


If we are going to list SUPER and SLICK, we should provide a link to them. I would download them if they existed. THEY DON'T EXIST, they should be deleted. Well, they exist but they are not being worked on as far as I can tell. Why should they be listed? There are many other defunct projects we could list, if we wanted to waste space similarly.--Gene Venable, Sept 30 2006

openSUSE's SUPER article doesn't say they're defunct, so they aren't. Right? --logixoul 11:29, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, I think that the SLED, SLES, openSUSE and SUSE Linux articles should be all merged into a separate article known as "The SUSE Product Family" That way it is possible to provide a practical all-around guide to the fantastic distro that is SUSE. Also, if you actually did read SUSE community stuff, you would know that SUPER and SLICK are on heiatus due to the fact that they need to redefine their goals - they are not defunct, as logixoul has explained. --H a m m o 08:37, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
How about "SUSE distributions of Linux"? --logixoul 16:37, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I say no. This is the same discussion as above, which decided they should have separate articles. As such, I will remove the suggested merging (If I am wrong, please feel free to revert) --I80and 20:55, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No. of CDs[edit]

If I want to install openSUSE with a GNOME desktop, how many CDs do I need to download. I have heard that to install multi-CD distros you only need the first one. Is this true, or would the first CD only give KDE? Thanks, 0L1 - User - Talk - Contribs - 19:04 23 2006 (UTC)

No this isn't true. No matter which desktop you choose to default to, you need all the CD's in order to install default packages. There is five CD's in the distribution. Also, remember that KDE is no longer the default GUI for openSUSE so it may not possibly be on the first disk (???). I installed the KDE environment when I installed openSUSE and I had to use Disk 1, Disk 2 and Disk 5 (?). Alternatively, you can just download the DVD .iso from a mirror server. If downloads are a problem, you can actually buy a magazine called openSUSE 10.1, which is published by Linux Format. If you need any more information regarding the Distro, drop a line on my User Talk Page. Alternatively visit the openSUSE wiki. --H a m m o 08:33, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I'm downloading them now. 0L1 - User - Talk - Contribs - 10:00 24 2006 (UTC)

Is this a candidate for some clean up?

Rewrite[edit]

I have decided to put the four articles regarding SUSE up for merger. Failing this I have decided to undertake a complete rewrite of the openSUSE article as well as a complete rewrite of the SLES and the SLED articles. If anyone wishes to comment drop me a line on my talk page or here.--H a m m o 10:20, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have gone though and done a basic re-write. I am a first time author and as such did not write the best entry out there. But, this page has much more valid information than the old one did. Please feel free to change/restructre as you please :).--H a m m o 10:20, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New article[edit]

I have created the article entitled SUSE Linux Distibutions in order to provide an up to date resource for SUSE linux. I am a firm advocator for SUSE and hope that the general wikipedian public agrees on this article becoming the proper article for SUSE Linux. As of now I am on SUSE IRC channels trying to get professionals to clean up this article. To vote on whether this should be main page leave a yes or no comment under this comment --H a m m o 09:47, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Updated[edit]

I have, sometimes without logging in, updated and improved the content on this page. A lot of the content was a simple merge from the SUSE Linux page, but much of it is an update on the pertinent information surrounding the openSUSE project. I have taken steps to insure that both KDE and GNOME are represented equally. Further, I have attempted to link readers within Wikipedia to more information where available and to the openSUSE site where appropriate. Aodhagan 23:43, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Screen Shots[edit]

Perhaps screen shots of GNOME and KDE running under OpenSUSE 10.2 ??? Nuclearmound 19:15, 28 January 2007 (UTC)Nuclearmound[reply]

I've uploaded 10.3 KDE. DavidJMiller 09:56, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks nice. I put in a mini gallery at the end of the page. I figured it would be the best way to show the two desktop environments. Maybe we could all contribute to the gallery with other SUSE works?Nuclearmound (talk) 04:26, 24 November 2007 (UTC)Nuclearmound[reply]

sources[edit]

any source back to Novell is a primary source. And if only Novell is writing about the distribution they "own" (is that right for open source software?) then it can't really be all that notable can it? Garrie 05:36, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Update for the release of 10.3[edit]

I would just change the reference to 10.2 as the current stable release to say 10.3, but there are actually several other changes that need to be made throughout the article with regard to 10.3. Enough of this information is over my head that I don't feel comfortable doing this. So--count this as a call for someone to update this page! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.210.219.131 (talk) 20:17, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Update for openSUSE 11[edit]

This article doesn't seem to have so many editors updating it. We need to get rid of the "latest unstable release" part, put in an openSUSE 11.0 (maybe KDE 4) screenshot, and re-word the article accordingly. Althepal (talk) 04:28, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done -Althepal (talk) 04:38, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

InstLux[edit]

Instlux redirects to this article, but is not mentioned in the text at all. 85.179.159.212 (talk) 13:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See the Instlux page on openSUSE's Wiki. It is some component, like Wubi, which lets users install openSUSE from within Windows. I'm not really sure how big it got or if it is still really in use -- bottom line, it wasn't all that important to the article which is still pretty short, so maybe it was left out since there wasn't a good place in the article to put it. Although, I suppose may it'd be okay if you can find a nice way of putting it in the Version 10.x section (since that's where it was introduced)
Personally, I think it should have its own little article, even though there's not much information on it, because it is a system component that isn't dealt enough in the OS's article. Make a Wikipedia account, 85.179.159.x, make sure to follow the guidelines, and you can start the Instlux article yourself! :) Althepal (talk) 17:39, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

openSUSE 11.0 no default KDE[edit]

Hi. I think this is something we might have to discuss. I cited "Benjamin Webber"'s blog to say there is no default in openSUSE 11. I'm also going to cite this old interview on the openSUSE website with "Stephan binner". If you're not convinced let's talk about it.

PS. OpenSUSE rocks. --Kinst (talk) 23:55, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All right. It's true. Check the install DVD and right there they say flat out that they don't recommend any one DE. But that doesn't change the fact that the KDE LiveCD is KDE 4.0 not KDE 3.5. I'm fine with not mentioning one as a default though. Althepal (talk) 05:36, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You're right, I added that to the article (that there's no Live CD for KDE3). Consensus is good. :-) --Kinst (talk) 06:23, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good. :-) Althepal (talk) 18:36, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation[edit]

The pronunciation on the OpenSUSE and SUSE Linux pages seems inconsistent. In fact, Googling seems to yield inconsistent opinions for how it should be said in English (let alone how it's pronounced in German...), including "rhymes-with-moose" as well as the "sounds like Suzy" that the SUSE Linux page seems to advocate. I personally say Zoo-zuh, but I am far from being an authority on the subject... 216.240.30.23 (talk) 22:58, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I said S-ooze until somebody corrected my pronunciation as su-see.209.195.94.234 (talk) 14:49, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also on pronunciation, is it really pronounced /ˌoʊpɛnˈsuːzə/ rather than /ˌoʊpənˈsuːzə/? I've not heard people pronounce it but I'd assume people pronounce the first part as open. I'll change it unless someone confirms it should be as it is currently. Ivanivanovich (talk) 20:05, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The inconsistency seems to be driven by marketing. Prior to Novell's acquisition of SuSE Linux AG, the pronunciation seems to be /ˈsuːsə/:

SuSE, pronounced soo'-suh, comes from the German acronym, "Software und Systementwicklung (Software and System Development)".

according to suse.de in 2001. This was back in the days of "SuSE Linux" (contrasted with the older "S.u.S.E. Linux" and the post-Novell era "SUSE Linux" which is a name, not an acronym). When the shift to /ˈsuːzə/ happened, I don't know for sure, but probably happened when OpenSUSE was released or thereafter.

A recent marketing video from October 2011 for SUSE (pronounced /ˈsuːzə/) documents the shift of the pronunciation of the company. Ldavis2 (talk) 00:54, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The previous video link is unavailable/private, here is a newer one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLdexZlVkAY Dalba 13:37, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Image copyright problem with Image:OpenSUSE-logo.svg[edit]

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Version image is wrong - next Release 12.1[edit]

The next openSUSE Release is going to be 12.1, not 11.5 as stated in the graphics. The release naming scheme has been changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.56.13.5 (talk) 07:49, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Latest Version Layout[edit]

 I have been working on a Linux Users Group resource page and need some
conformity of all the Wiki Linux versions and distributions. Debian has an
excellent template and I have made an RSS reader to pluck version data from
the wiki page. Would be nice if I could get all of them to follow this method
and my page could keep up to date with all the latest versions.  
RSS source path
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Latest_stable_software_release/Debian&feed=rss&action=history     
RSS Template.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Latest_stable_software_release/Debian&action=edit  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Icarusfactor (talk • contribs) 02:45, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Evergreen[edit]

For the version history section, should 11.2 be counted as supported as 11.4 is because of Evergreen support or should 11.4 be counted as EOLed because it has lost official support (announced only on mailinglist)? Evergreen info here: [1] Justashuman960 (talk) 18:32, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Port for ARM[edit]

Is there a port for the ARM architecture? --79.224.231.57 (talk) 22:52, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism[edit]

The section should be improved by adding the critics from http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html about including non-free parts in the linux core. Linux-libre core cannot be used in OpenSUSE.88.69.124.50 (talk) 00:10, 1 August 2013 (UTC) Vladimir[reply]

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Proposed merge of Factory[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Result was Merge; Stagnant merger discussion. Consensus appears to suggest merger. Content potential for Factory or Tumbeweed is too limited to warrant more than just a section of openSUSE until more information and reliable sources arise. BruzerFox 04:57, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to propose that Factory (openSUSE) is merged into openSUSE. The former page is merely a stub and given that it's just an internal development term nowadays instead of a separate distro, it should be merged into the main page.

  • Hi. Does that entail renaming the article? Also, how much contents do you have at hand? —Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 05:08, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

sax2[edit]

the article says "SaX2 was once integrated into YaST to change monitor settings, however with openSUSE 11.3 SaX2 has been removed", but does not explain what SaX2 is, and does not link to anything. 11.3 also is an old version - maybe this sentence can be removed ? --Richlv (talk) 10:57, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Richlv: SaX2 redirects to YaST, and YaST#Details says SaX2 (and the earlier SaX) were the SuSE Advanced X configuration tool. IOW, SaX and SaX2 were used to configure the X software in function of your display hardware. — Tonymec (talk) 23:39, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Explain weird version numbering 13-42-15![edit]

Could someone please add an explanation (if there is one!) of the crazy-looking Leap version numbers where 13 is followed by 42 and then 15? This is very definitely confusing enough to be worth explaining. (I thought for a moment I had ended up on a side-track with 42.3, especially as so little about 42 currently comes up on opensuse.org.) PJTraill (talk) 22:20, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I see that the (silly, Douglas Adams) answer is given at OpenSUSE_version_history#Leap_42_series; it must be possible to summarise it or refer there. PJTraill (talk) 23:27, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Weasel wording[edit]

Weasel wording detected: "Tumbleweed is the flagship..."

Avoid peacock and weasel terms

--Mortense (talk) 22:36, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Version timeline[edit]

Someone recently deleted the version timeline chart on the basis that it was too similar to the release history table. I have restored the chart because the presence of both a table and a chart is consistent with the articles for other Linux distributions.

For example, see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_version_history#Table_of_versions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_Linux#Releases

Although the data presented in the table and timeline are basically the same, they do serve different purposes. The table gives viewers access to precise release dates. The timeline gives visual representation of the releases relative to one another, something which the average human cannot easily digest just from reading the dates in a table.

66.97.168.197 (talk) 02:52, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merge from SUSE Linux?[edit]

Does anyone else agree that SUSE Linux should be merged to here? The distro basically turned into openSUSE while continuing the version number. Also SUSE Linux covers topics that should probably belong to SUSE because it talks about company/corporate stuff. Flakesosa (talk) 21:30, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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