This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Orio Palmer article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
![]() | This article was nominated for deletion on 2 February 2011. The result of the discussion was relist articles individually. |
![]() | This article was nominated for deletion on 13 February 2011 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep. |
![]() | This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
A ((db-person)) was placed on this article.
The wikipedia is not a memorial. We don't currently cover the bulk of 9-11 victims, or surviving loved ones of 9-11 victims in individual articles. At one time some of these individuals were covered, and, after discussion, that coverage was trimmed, because the wikipedia is not a memorial. The individuals whose articles were excised, or merged, were otherwise unexcetional people, who had been living otherwise unexceptional lives, who weren't covered in WP:RS in anything other than obituaries, or articles about them were basically memorials.
I agree we shouldn't carry articles about victims or survivors of 9-11 or any other disaster, that are basically memorials. But victims or survivors whose stories are exceptional, and for whom there are WP:RS documenting how they are exceptional, should continue to be covered.
I believe that Palmer is an example of an exceptional individual because the team he lead was the team that got highest in the second tower to be struck. His story documents that the firefighters had no idea that the building was going to collapse, right up until the moment it did collapse.
Several hundred victims were on the floors above the impact, unaware that because the second plane struck at an angle one of the three stairways remained sufficiently intact that it was passable. Palmer's team had climbed to the impact zone, and had either discovered the intact stairway, or were about to find it. I believe this is noteworthy. Geo Swan (talk) 00:50, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to one external link on Orio Palmer. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add ((cbignore))
after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add ((nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot))
to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template ((source check))
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.—cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 07:47, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 7 external links on Orio Palmer. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template ((source check))
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 04:06, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
The article states, in the intro, that the plane struck at floor 78. It then, further down, says that the impact was at floors 77-85. The same is said in the article on Flight 175 and others. So, which is it? Because if the plane did impact floor 78, but the impact reach all the way up to 85, but only down to 77, that's a mighty weirdly shaped aircraft.31.209.55.158 (talk) 16:47, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
I am a bit confused about the name of the street that was named in Palmer's honor, as I'll describe below. That confusion has resulted in this revert of my edit by Nightscream. That revert was fair, since I didn't really explain my edit.
The street sign definitely says "Deputy Chief Orio J. Palmer Way" (with "Deputy Chief" in small letters), and that's the name reported in the source that the Wikipedia article cites. However, that's not the name given on maps (official or otherwise), and in practice you'll have trouble finding it under that name. For example, Google Maps calls the street "Orio J. Palmer Way" (see here), and in Google Streetview displays the name as "500 Orio J. Palmer Way". A search for "Deputy Chief Orio J. Palmer Way" on Google Maps instead defaults to "755 E 233rd St", the home of FDNY Engine 3/Tower Ladder 12/Battalion 7 (but maybe we can blame that on Google trying to be smart).
The street sign is not currently visible on Google maps (hidden behind a US flag), but a good photo is available on this page run by the Historic Districts Council. Note that the Historic Districts Council lists it as "Orio J. Palmer Way", regardless of what the sign says. The official New York street planning website here lists it as "500 ORIO J PALMER WAY, Bronx, NY, USA" (search for that on the website), in agreement with the Google Streetview result mentioned previously.
Should we go by what's on the sign and the original news report, or what's in official documents and maps? Renerpho (talk) 21:05, 18 October 2022 (UTC)