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I've removed the NPOV tag from the article since there is no ongoing discussion, and, presumably then, no conflict. If editors have objections to the neutrality of this article, please revert my change and list your grievances here. --Gimme danger (talk) 15:29, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
No POV fine, but there is an explanation for what happened - Chinese hijacked the Panchen Lama because he is the key in recognizing next Dalai Lama. They committed a crime by all standards in order to prevent Dalai Lama from reincarnating in a traditional way. There are sources that explains this, for example John Oliver and many more. There is no ambiguity among decent people what happened. Freetibet1 (talk) 08:25, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
There's a series of articles given in external links detailing the PRC view of the Panchen Lama lineage. These articles should be incorporated through inline citation in this and related articles. (This is partly a note to myself that this needs to be done, and partly a call to action for other editors. I'll get to it eventually, but it would be fabulous if someone else could take this up in the meantime.) --Gimme danger (talk) 01:06, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Chinese are crooks, they kidnapped a boy in order to hijack Dalai Lama - Panchen Lapa mutual connection. They installed their stupid commie puppet who knows as much about enlightenment as a rat about Linux. They use Buddhism to put Tibet on its knees. They build big stupid empty monasteries in Tibet and Nepal, put dumb lamas there who preach idiocy there. That's worse than what USSR was doing with the church. Tibetan Buddhism is a live tool for enlightenment and those morons are blocking people from knowledge. Freetibet1 (talk) 08:19, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
After a recent discussion at Talk:14th Dalai Lama, all of the articles on the individual Dalai Lamas were moved from the format "Personal Name, Xth Dalai Lama" to simply "Xth Dalai Lama". I think this is the right format. When referring to a Dalai Lama in English, if it's necessary to differentiate between more than one of them, I think that "Xth Dalai Lama" is much more common than using the personal name. I would suggest following the same pattern for the Panchen Lamas, whose articles currently all are titled simply by the personal name. So, Choekyi Gyaltsen would move to 10th Panchen Lama. I think we should make an exception for Khedrup Je, who is better known by that name. Also, it would not be possible to have an article titled 11th Panchen Lama, since the controversy over his identity is ongoing. Any ideas?—Nat Krause(Talk!·What have I done?) 01:56, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I have some concerns about the "Hierarchy of Tibetan Buddhism" section, which was added to several articles. Please see my comments at Talk:Tibetan Buddhism#"Hierarchy of Tibetan Buddhism" section.—Nat Krause(Talk!·What have I done?) 01:08, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Is there any neutral reference like the official rules from Qing Dynasty's history record but from neither PRC or Tibet government in exile? Besides, the "www.tibet.org" only provides history before Qianlong and the use of Golden Urn.
I went through zh:欽定藏內善後章程. It only states that
達賴喇嘛和班禪額爾德尼像父子一樣,認定他們的靈童時,亦須將他們的名字用滿漢藏三種文字寫在籤牌上,同樣進行
It said Dalai and Panchen were like father and son, but not like who gets to choose the next of the other.--Tricia Takanawa (talk) 20:48, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to reiterate the request for a neutral reference supporting this claim. I do not know well the history of the political situation in Tibet, but, looking at the Dalai Lama as a religious leader, I cannot possibly see how the PRC's candidate for Panchen Lama could warrant even a shred of consideration.
It also seems like it wouldn't matter even if the PRC had a political claim, as (1) few dispute the Dalai Lama as the religious leader and his necessary role in the choice, (2) he had already chosen a Panchen Lama prior to PRC, and (3) there no longer exists an emperor of China. So, regardless of whether there is text supporting his sole right to chose the Panchen Lama, it seems clear that any choice made by PRC is not consistent with any tradition.
I consider myself rather neutral on the issue, but, so far, all the evidence points to puppeteering of the PRC. I realize this is not a discussion board, but if there is any rationale (not already listed in the article) that contradicts the above conclusion, please provide it here. 108.202.193.145 (talk) 13:27, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
I believe the conflict between the Dalai Lama-run organization and the Chinese authorities is central enough to warrant a mention in the intro section. __meco (talk) 08:18, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
There seems to be a discrepency in the list of Panchen Lamas concerning who is the "first" Panchen Lama. The Dalai Lama, the NKT, and the FPMT all list Lobsang Chökyi Gyalsten as the First Panchen Lama, not the Fourth. I inquired about this and it was explained to me that the posthumous naming convention currently used in the article is the Chinese naming convention, not the Tibetan. At minimum, both naming conventions should be listed in the table and an explanation for the difference given. Any thoughts? Emptymountains (talk) 11:35, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Is this the same position described in Sven Hedin's My Life as an Explorer as the Tashi Lama? The Tashi Lama whom Hedin met also lived in Shigatse. If so, it should be included in the introduction that this is another term (maybe outmoded?) Parsecboy (talk) 20:46, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
This guy is usually called Panchen Erdeni by Chinese, a title given by Kangxi Emperor. Erdeni is a Manchu word.--刻意(Kèyì) 01:43, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
Panchen Lama is the highest ranking Lama in Tibetan Buddhism after the Dalai Lama. The current 14th Dalai Lama has appointed Gedhun Choekyi Nyima as the new Panchen Lama in a Chinese-occupied Tibet. The middle-man in the Chinese-occupied Tibet who assisted Dalai Lama in appointing Panchen Lama was immediately arrested and charged with treason, and the newly appointed Panchen Lama went missing at the age of six. One year later, the Chinese government unilaterally selected a Panchen Lama for themselves, who is Gyaincain Norbu. The dispute here is whether Panchen Lama appointed by the PRC should be among the traditional line of Panchen Lamas in a template. The article current has two templates, one for the traditional Panchen Lamas, and another one for Panchen Lamas appointed by PRC. Any input is welcome, thank you. Cydevil38 (talk) 02:36, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
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Maybe an "in the media" section should be added about some of the press coverage this has gotten. The John Oliver interview from last night (March 2016) was funny but covered the situation fairly well.[1]Jeffery Thomas 16:44, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
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The previous leading section, written by User:Freetibet1 lacks even the most basic information on the subject. Please stop reverting it back. Esiymbro (talk) 10:01, 10 May 2017 (UTC)