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Quinn Norton's stories about body hacks, IP issues and most recently, her series of articles on the Pirate Bay are influential and often followed up on in more mainstream publications.
She's well-travelled in the internet and hacker world, and has been a guest blogger at Boing Boing.
If that's not enough, then half of the entries in the journalist section of wikipedia should also be deleted.—Preceding unsigned comment added by RSnotRSS (talk • contribs) 19:32, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
This article represents me so poorly, and has for so many years, that I'd prefer if it was just deleted. I can live with not being notable enough for people to maintain a page on wikipedia, I'd just prefer if it was deleted rather than left to represent me worse and worse over time. - Quinn Norton — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.164.99.30 (talk) 21:09, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
My main work is on Anonymous and Occupy, with a long history of writing about digital rights and copyright. I have a body of work in the are on body hacking, and even taught a course at NYU, but the Northpaw is something I wrote about once, it's not a significant part of my work. I haven't lived in DC in years, and I'm not sure my personal life is noteworthy enough to be alluded at here. I've been a columnist for MaxPC for 5 years, and the 'recently' here shows I think everything you need to know about how well maintained this is. I don't mind that I might not be notable enough for people to spend their free time maintaining this page, srly, that's fine. I just don't want it vaguely rotting here like this. -- Quinn— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.36.146.171 (talk) 20:47, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
The paragraph added today about Aaron Swartz is a complete misreading of the court documents, which is one reason material cited to primary sources is disfavored per WP:Primary ("Material based purely on primary sources should be avoided.") The document does not describe Quinn Norton as a "government witness"; it describes her as a witness, with no further clarification. "Government witness" implies that someone is cooperating in a prosecution for the benefit of the government; the document makes no such suggestion, merely identifying her as someone with knowledge relevant to the case. Furthermore, it seems to me that the placement of the quote here is intended to imply that Quinn Norton got some kind of payoff from or cut some sort of deal with the the government; as someone with some knowledge of prosecutorial boilerplate, what it likely means is that they gave Quinn Norton immunity not at her request but so she was unable to assert her Fifth Amendment right. My interpretation, of course, shouldn't be in the article since it's essentially OR; but so is any other reference to the court documents. -Polotet 03:13, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Rather than blanking the nreferenced edit, why not take 5 min with google? Plenty of refs. http://nymag.com/news/features/aaron-swartz-2013-2/ MarkBernstein (talk) 03:05, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
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So she's apparently been hired as a New York Times editor, which should be added to the article. There's also been, um, a lot of heat on Twitter about how she's apparently friends with, um, Nazis. Don't know if there's been a write-up on this in a reliable source yet, but if one appears, I think that'd be worth covering, as well. john k (talk) 22:26, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
HuffPost came in: she's been fired, apparently, as of 2200 EST. Let me find a source: here, from CNN. Javert2113 (talk) 03:59, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
I am currently cleaning up and adding content to this article. KalHolmann -- request that you not crawl all over my edits as I am in the process of reworking the page and making sure that there are adequate citations. I have over 40,000 edits and do BLPs on the regular. I have only the best intentions here. So I don't appreciate being lectured in edit summaries, and would request that you let me work on this for the next couple of hours. I can paste a WiP template on the page but I think it's in basically good shape compared to what it was in before I started cleaning it up, and it might have high traffic due to the newsworthy NYT thing, so I would prefer not to do this templating. Please, I would just like to do this in peace, beg for a few hours here. -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 19:16, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
He told you not to put private information on the page, Erika. That's not patronizing, that's just common sense. Sapphiresblue (talk) 04:55, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
Javert2113 deleted a ton of what is only a selected list of articles written by the prolific subject of this entry. The argument seems to be a combination of (a) not seeing the Medium writing as an extension of Norton's work as a journalist and blogger, or maybe viewing Medium as a not worthy source for citations; please note that journalists are often paid to write for Medium, which I suspect some of Norton's work is paid in this instance, and (b) an argument over the number of items listed. I reverted the edit because it was (a) aggressive and destructive in the deletion of information and more importantly (b) lack of good faith was shown in the significant deletion of content without talking about the concern here on the talk page. This did not happen and I would encourage this editor to do that going forward.
I have no connection to Norton, had just read some of her work and had followed the whole Aaron Swartz story. But I really objected to how cruddy her page was when I went to learn more about her after the debacle at The New York Times. Part of what I discovered was that Norton is prolific, experienced, and has written on a wide variety of topics. She is sort of an incredible essayist, in my opinion. And I firmly believe that her writing about women in tech -- one of which was a four part series that was listed in this section -- is very notable and important to convey who and what she does and how she contributes. It underscores the work she does and is directly tied to her notability.
I don't want to get into a 3R thing here. I would like to have a discussion about a deletion of this much content from someone who is in the news right now. And I have to say that I have done similar lists for male subjects and have not encountered this type of pruning. So if possible, I would like to have a discussion here before the items are deleted. I think there is a very clear misunderstanding of the Medium platform and how Norton is using it. I also think that there needs to be a selected, curated list of Norton's work -- which was what the section was trying to establish. -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 08:50, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
Additionally, only three of the articles from Medium are from Norton's personal space there -- and one of them supports BLP information -- and another is about Scoble and is an important story about #MeToo. So I think the curation is not reflecting self-publishing on Norton's part -- although she is known for being an early adopter of blogging.
I also tried to select a diverse group of articles Norton has written to reflect her career. Should they also be noted in her Career section and more detail and context provided? Yes, probably, but I have only started cleaning up and improving this article. I am not sure if I am done or not. But to have the scaffolding of these publications, which are not excessive for a journalist's Wikipedia entry, I think that's very clearly important to having a balanced entry. -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 09:21, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
Simply put, SapphiresBlue is going into an undue amount of detail about Andrew Auernheimer on this page. Most notably, Auernheimer was immortalized in song by Donald Glover using the name Childish Gambino who "rapped" Auernheimer's name over and over in "Life the Biggest Troll"[44] with no reference to racism, nor repercussions.
in particular is clearly trying to prove a point (that Norton was treated unfairly). That entire paragraph would be more appropriate on weev's page than here. power~enwiki (π, ν) 04:54, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
Sapphiresblue (talk) 04:56, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
I removed the unfocused tag User:Pablomartinez added and I reduced the copyedit tag. It previously said "This seems like a random list of everything this person has done. I believe the subject to be notable, but I also feel this is just a list of everything she has done, which may confuse her notability". This was too wordy and put one editor's opinion too prominently on the page - that is what talk pages are for. The description of her career could be more coherent so I left a reduced tag in place. The unfocused tag does not make sense: this article is entirely about Norton. There is no need to split the article or disambiguate. An article on her hiring and rapid firing from NYT would not be notable under WP:EVENT. I now see the tag was previously removed - per WP:BRD, you need to discuss the issue not edit war to retain the tag. Fences&Windows 08:55, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
A Herndon-VA-based vandal, using iP 65.28.236.17, who has an understanding of Wiki-language removed a sector of the article, claiming they were "editorializing and synthesizing" yesterday. Sapphiresblue (talk) 14:39, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi, this is Quinn again. There's some pretty inaccurate stuff here. I was never admitted to nor attended any university, much less two UCs. I snuck into lecture classes occasionally as a teen, but that hardly makes me a student of the university.
I was a contracted writer at Medium, first for my own collection, and then rolled into a larger Medium magazine called The Message. I wasn't self publishing, they were my primary source of income for more than two years. Also "words referring to gay people were covered by "in-group" referencing" is inaccurate: I said private use is covered by being part of the in-group, but that my use online was strictly restricted to exploring the alternate usages of Anonymous and 4chan in the time that I was covering them.
Also my friendship with weev was not as a source, but through mutual friends. I only used him as a source in one piece before his trial, and I stated that he was a friend, as well as talked about his racist language at the time. (it would become more virulent later) Nevertheless I denounced his racism publicly and privately before his trial, calling him a terrible person and pointing out white nationalist language in his twitter bio.
The car accident in 2011 didn't cause anything; I was diagnosed with cervical spinal problems and treated with physical therapy and botox beginning in 2008. The accident in 2011 caused a rash of headaches. (I've recently had three cervical discs removed and replaced with prosthetic discs.)
None of the article listed, (of which I would agree there are too many, tbh) include my writing on race, which goes back to my unknown blogger days. Some listed at the bottom of this piece, including my popular whiteness series: https://www.quinnnorton.com/said/?p=901
I can't imagine a six hour twitter kerfluffle about me not knowing what #blackgirlsaremagic was is noteworthy enough to be here, but wikipedia gonna wikipedia. Anyway, I wrote a short bio here: https://www.quinnnorton.com/said/?p=895 It's not particularly exciting, but it's all true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.0.189.113 (talk) 18:06, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
oh, just noticed one more thing: i was married in 2001, not 2005. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.93.208.94 (talk) 22:14, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Hey, in case someday someone cares about being truthful and accurate, on this page, here's something you could refer to. https://www.quinnnorton.com/said/?p=895 I am so tired of the Wikipedia novelizations of my life and it just wish it would go away. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.0.192.235 (talk) 21:40, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
We catalog 36 of Quinn Norton's Selected works and publications. By contrast, Wikipedia's Albert Einstein BLP lists 22 of his Publications. Is it really necessary to have such an exhaustive list of Ms. Norton's work? KalHolmann (talk) 23:11, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
I've seen nothing about her being racist "ranter" and certainly not being "widle known" for it. I've also seen nothing anti-semitic, either. Bigoted? that should directly attributed to a sourced reputable media commnent if it were to be included at all.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.117.93.248 (talk • contribs) 1:06, 3 August 2018 (UTC)