Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment[edit]

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 24 August 2021 and 9 December 2021. Further details are available on the course page. Peer reviewers: Wkimmerling.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 02:56, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Peer Review 1[edit]

I really liked your article - I think it read very well and flowed nicely. It is fairly objective which fits well with the style of Wikipedia. I have copy edited the article a little bit - just for small grammar/phrasing changes.

Here are just a few suggestions on how to improve it/what I liked:

-Maybe include something else in the introduction to explain the term better - it's fairly short. You could maybe include an overview of what your article will talk about.

-I think its great how you added a lot of links to other pages for different terms - makes it really professional!

-I like the further reading section but am not 100% sure about the need for the bibliography section – don’t you just need references?

-It might be a good idea to add some pictures to make the page more interesting to look at

-Some of the terms are worded a little confusingly (might just be me!) for example 'unbridled lust'- is this a term they use in the theory or a book?

-I like how you’ve used terms such as Jezebel and then stated what this is/means - I also like how you’ve used an actual quote from the book.

-It may be a little wordy in some places which makes it a little tricky to understand for example - 'This collective stereotype is established through the perception that an individual’s sexual appeal derives entirely from their race, and is subject to the prejudices of said race, that influence the fetishisation.'

-Could you perhaps add any more to the homosexual or heterosexual community section? The homosexual section is a little short and it would be interesting to have more examples of sexual racisim in the real world as well as online.

Overall, I liked your article - I think you've sectioned it well and its really easy to read.

Lydiahextell (talk) 11:35, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Peer Review 2[edit]

Hi, good article so far, I just have a few suggestions you may find useful:

Other than this, nothing much else to add – interesting article and a good read! BhavyaDutt1 (talk) 14:02, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Peer Review 3[edit]

I really liked this article overall. It provides a good background on the history of sexual racism and information on both homosexual and heterosexual communities. I have some comments/suggestions for improvement below:

I enjoyed reading this article, well done!

Kroyds (talk) 20:55, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Peer Review 4[edit]

Hi,

I enjoyed reading your page, it really flows and clear and easy to follow the content. It is an interesting page and includes a lot of information, Here are some suggestions from me:

Overall, it is great! Well done! Good luck with your page! AnitaChen (talk) 17:34, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Our Contributions[edit]

Our contributions to this page included the history, fetishisation and online dating sections! CADudley (talk) 16:24, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]


Peer Review[edit]

Peer review 4 Hi guys – great piece!

Well done guys! Really well written, informative piece – I enjoyed reading it. Best of luck TanGND (talk) 16:58, 30 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]


Peer Review 5 Hi! This article was really really well written and so easy to follow! I really enjoyed reading it and I learnt a lot as it was explained so well!

Fab article, well done!Jessica Owen (talk) 09:12, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Peer Review 6[edit]

Hi Guys, first of all well done on creating a great article! Here are a few of the things I picked up on:

Overall its a really well structured article with great content! LukeH1 (talk) 18:03, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Peer Review 7[edit]

Hi there, sorry this is a late peer review but I've had a read and the article looks great, much more information than before. I picked up on a few thing: - I like the U.S section, though feel like maybe there could be more information on cross-cultural differences (did sexual racism originate in the US?) - I also feel like the article lacks a biological explanation a little, maybe writing a few sentences on how evolution can explain that we tend to mate with people who look similar to us, or the psychology perspective of religious/cultural continuity, which might explain not being sexually attracted to particular races. - I like the graph and pictures, and I love that you have included fetishes and the angle on LGBT is great and different! - I also noticed that you have a references and bibliography section, not sure why there are two? All in all I loved the article, ,was really informative. Good luck! Sbamwarwick (talk) 19:10, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Extending the logic behind sexual racism[edit]

If it is considered racist to not want to date a certain race wouldn't this mean you would be homophobic if you didn't want to date the same sex? Aren't these both considered sexual preferences? Xanikk999 (talk)

Bias[edit]

Under the online dating section, the article originally stated that women of African descent are inherently more "masculine" than other women. This is completely untrue and, if anything, an example of the type of racism that the article tries to explain. The statement is especially jarring when contextualized with the statement before it, which claims Asian men fare worse in the dating scene due to perceived effeminateness rather than inherent effeminateness. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.84.126.64 (talk) 03:21, 29 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]


Country mention[edit]

Needs to seriously be improved. Also no other country but the USA is mentioned anywhere in the article, this is extremely narrow minded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.176.109.100 (talk) 01:52, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

About page title: Sexual racial preference vs Sexual racism[edit]

I have moved the page to "sexual racial preference". If you insist it should be "sexual racism", that's a serious accusation against humanity, and you will have to find a Wikipedia administrator to approve this change. --Acyclic (talk) 19:40, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No the page will stay at the original title until you open a move discussion and get consensus for a move. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 07:47, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Can you link me a resource with an example that states how to open a move discussion? --Acyclic (talk) 13:00, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
WP:RMCM 85.76.139.129 (talk) 14:15, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sexual sexism[edit]

I presume by the same 'logic' being espoused by this article that homosexuals refusing to date heterosexuals and vice versa is blatant sexism? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:802:8280:1F08:A138:805F:7D80:B9B4 (talk) 14:57, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

opinions on interracial relationships vs attraction to people of other races[edit]

This article has two topics. One is people's opposition towards others being in interracial relationships. The other is people's attraction to people of other races. I'm trying to separate them clearly because just because you support other peoples right to interracial marriage doesn't mean you are attracted to other races.--Naddruf (talk) 05:37, 23 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism[edit]

Hello,

I removed a short section entitled "Criticism" recently added by User:CaribbeanBlue which is mostly a personal opinion, per our policy that Wikipedia is not a forum. The user's unattributed criticism citing political scrutiny, [...] (absence of) institutional barriers and (superfluous) matter of concern show a misunderstanding about the definition given in the article that the topic is individual sexual preferences, not racism in the usual sense of hatred and prejudice.

There is much criticism to be made both on the current state of the article and on the very notion of sexual racism, but that's not the way to do it. Among the obvious problems:

  1. It is mostly centered on the US. A ((Globalise)) tag may be appropriate.
  2. While about every human society probably has a variable level of cultural endogamy in its partner selection processes, the focus on the obsolete notion of race here says actually more on the obsession of the American society for racial topics than it says about sexual preferences. The fact that intercultural or exogamous relationships are called "interracial" there says a lot.
  3. The name of the article could be changed to something more neutral, such as Racial preferences in dating or in romantic relationships, or something avoiding the word "race" completely like Cultural sexual preferences in the United States.

However, this is matter of discussion for this talk page, not the body of the article. Place Clichy (talk) 17:05, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I wrote: "Some dispute the idea of sexual racism, arguing that ones subjective romantic preferences should not face political scrutiny and that the concept is contradictorily not extended by its proponents to other types of sexual preferences like homosexuality (which would be deemed "sexual sexism"). They point to the absence of institutional barriers to interracial relationships in modern society and widespread acceptance of interracial relationships as indicators that sexual racism is a superfluous matter of concern."
Can we rename the wikipedia page on "homosexuality" to "sexual sexism"? Can we delete this page? Ok, now I'm being serious. Can we just include the actual racist stuff like anti-miscegenation laws and past attitudes and get rid of the dating stuff? It does a big disservice to past racism people actually had to endure to equate it to someone's bad Tinder experience. And god forbid there is confirmation bias, where some poor soul reads this article and thinks their chances with someone are doomed, and swipes left pre-emptively...CaribbeanBlue (talk) 04:31, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This needs to be deleted pronto unless someone can source this as an established opinion of Psychiatrists.[edit]

This article is offensive on so many levels, Im not even sure where to start, right up there with telling lesbians they should be open to sex with anyone who identifies as male, which was a buzz a while ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marisacole55414 (talk • contribs) 14:59, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 12 August 2020[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Page not moved. There was no consensus for a move. (closed by non-admin page mover) -- Dane talk 04:04, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]



Sexual racism → Sexual racial preference in the United States – This more clearly identifies the contents of the article. (1.) Wikipedia:NDESC One person is not entitled to another's body or company. Qualifying a person's decision to enter a relationship or... relations with someone else as racism, regardless of the reason behind it, either from malice or negligece, is unwarranted. Ascribing negative connotations associated with racism to personal preference is unwarranted. (2.) Wikipedia:PRECISION While a couple of other countries are mentioned, the vast majority of the article relates to the US, as several have already mentioned in Talk:Sexual racism Son of a T-14 Armata (talk) 02:00, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your approach seems more thorough. Sounds good, though it will probably boil down to some poll results and a "some claim that these results are evidence of racism, not personal preference for specific physical traits commonly shared among certain groups". Or, what can objectively be defined as sexual racism? Son of a T-14 Armata (talk) 11:07, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Listed at AfD here -> Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sexual racism. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:55, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Serious issues with article[edit]

I am concerned that the title of this article is misleading, as the information is primarily related to the United States of America, most of the sources are from the US and similarly focus on the US. Until the content reflects a global view I would propose the article is renamed "Sexual Racism in the United States"; or words to this effect. --121.215.171.163 (talk) 07:15, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This was just discussed above. Crossroads -talk- 17:32, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 18 September 2020[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Consensus to move. (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 20:20, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]



Sexual racismRacial sexual preference – This article survived the AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sexual racism, so deletion is off the table for now. But there were substantial concerns raised about the title, thus this RM. The proposed title communicates clearly and neutrally what the article is about. Whether or not racial sexual preferences are a form of racism is a controversial topic both among scholars and the general public, so I don't think we should be taking a stance on that issue in Wikipedia's voice when an alternative title that doesn't require us to do so is available. ((u|Sdkb))talk 02:34, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy pinging AfD participants @Vanamonde93, SmokeyJoe, *Treker, Hako9, Pburka, Crossroads, Rhododendrites, Piotrus, Knox490, Whiteguru, ImTheIP, Flyer22 Frozen, and Scope creep: feel free to weigh in. ((u|Sdkb))talk 02:40, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There are over a thousand of articles on Google scholar that discusses sexual racism. There are only 12 that uses the euphemism "racialized sexual discrimination" and 41 that uses "racial sexual preferences". The abstract of one article convincingly argues that sexual racism indeed is a form of racism. If the researchers can call a spade a spade, so to speak, then so can Wikipedia. ImTheIP (talk) 03:19, 18 September 2020 (UTC) I should add that my view is based on reading about the subject for 45 minutes at most. If someone has convincing arguments about the purportedly offensive nature of "sexual racism," I'll change my mind. ImTheIP (talk) 03:45, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with ImTheIP. Why change the WP:COMMONAME? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:30, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Who moved this from "sexual racism"[edit]

"Sexual racism" was clearly the language used in social sciences, whereas "sexual preference" is some sort of euphemism. Was this a vote and did I miss it? Fluous (talk) 18:46, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 7 February 2021[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Consensus to move to race and sexuality (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 21:58, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]



Racial sexual preferenceSexual racism – The name of this phenomenon is "sexual racism." That's what's used in the scientific literature. "Racial sexual preference" is a euphemism that is not used in the scientific literature. As another stated, there are over a thousand articles on Google scholar that discuss sexual racism. There are only 12 that use "racialized sexual discrimination" and 41 that use the euphemism "racial sexual preferences." And there is support in the literature that people's attitudes towards general racism closely align with their attitudes towards sexual racism. See Callandar, Holt, Newman (2015). The current article title violates NPOV in this way. Fluous (talk) 19:14, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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US centrism[edit]

I feel like this article is very US and Western-centric, with the exception of a few parts, such as the section on how white women are perceived in China, and Seretse Khama's interracial relationship. Perhaps more work needs to be done to internationalize it Folx (talk) 16:27, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Race and sexuality#Middle Eastern women[edit]

Regarding the section Race and sexuality#Middle Eastern women, a since-banned editor changed it to "Arab women", noting that Algeria isn't in the Middle East. That editor was reverted. While Algeria is not part of the Middle East, this distinction is often completely ignored by Orientalists, so the point might be worth handling more carefully. I adjusted the wording to be more comprehensive, but I don't like it and there's certainly a better way to handle this.

The cited sources do not exclusively focus on women from the Middle East, nor do they focus on Arabs. Browsing these sources, it does seem like they mostly mention being Muslim as a common factor in stereotyping. Since this connection is already supported by existing sources, I have included a 'see also' link to Cultural racism#Islamophobia and cultural racism. Grayfell (talk) 04:30, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with a lot of the other peer reviews, I think this article definitely has some biases, and could use a longer introduction section. Cassidybohne (talk) 17:53, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Black women and interracial dating.[edit]

The current single source about black people being most open to interracial dating is dubious. Black women are overwhelmingly the least likely to be open to interracial dating both offline and online. Anyone can see this is using a book as a source to avoid scrutiny! Better and wider sources, please!2A00:23C4:3E08:4000:D137:5C4B:EE5A:9B0F (talk) 20:25, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What is the source for your claim about black women? Crossroads -talk- 01:57, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t have the statistics at my fingertips but that’s probably back to front. Black women are unfortunately seen as inferior on the dating market in most American cities. It’s well documented that college-educated African-American women have the hardest time finding a partner of any major demographic category in the United States. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 23:48, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Issues with Sexual Preferences Introductory Section[edit]

The introductory section from "While discrimination..." to "not a commonly accepted view" is written as opinion rather than fact. Little information is properly sourced and relies heavily on a Huffington Post article by a white novel author, while there are no direct quotes from the Callander, Newman, and Holts article. The included quote is not useful. At minimum, this section is written with clear bias from a specific point of view and should be removed. Kdrets (talk) 19:43, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, the intro is not well made and has a bias that is protecting racism. Perferences are the result of racism 2605:E000:5FC0:8E:F96A:B7AD:8B6:6965 (talk) 08:31, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]