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The footnote or "source" for the statement in the article Lede, which is a bare link to the EarlyChristianWritings.com page on Ascension of Isaiah, does not support the statement that is made about Samael at all. In the Ascension of Isaiah, Samael is an evil demon, associated with Beliar and the powers of the firmament. He does not reside in the fifth heaven. This is a big mistake and drastically reduces the value of this Wikipedia article. I don't have time to edit this page at this time, but I ask that someone else please make the necessary changes. Matthew Baldwin (talk) 16:37, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
Article states that "SAM" is Hebrew for venom/poison, but this is not accurate. "SAM" means drug. Old texts sometimes refer to Poison as "SAM HA-MAVET", meaning the drug of death, but there are at least two special words for poison ("RAAL" and "ROSH") and at least one word for venom ("ERES").
I changed the relevant sentence, but perhaps it is better removed entirely.
--79.179.102.33 20:32, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Source your entymology please! Kairos (talk) 07:01, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
189.31.217.50 (talk) 15:36, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
If you/we think 'poison of god' is unreasonable, how unreasonable is to leave it as 'wrath of god'. Did someone change that to relate to 'severity of god'(which also seemed to pop out of no where and stick to this atrocious article)? I'd go by Jewishencyclopedia.com or the catholic. Unless you are a trained linguist with knowledge of ancient Hebrew I would suggest sticking to simple and reliable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.195.26.113 (talk) 21:40, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
The continuing problem of wikipedia... Well... just for fun I'm going to look into a transcribe already agreeing "el" as divinity.... but... Samaritan, Osama, Sammon?, Semite?, Samoa?, Same?,...
Shamash is a wiki entry and based upon the older Babylonian God "Sin"... It does say in the book of moses that angels were named after Babylonian Gods. As to what "Sin" means... I'm not sure whether this matters, since Moses may have change the meanings, as also "Everything was good in the garden of Eden"... So it wouldn't have actually symbolised "Any wrong or bad angel"... I agree with RoninDH that the current meaning is false despite what the other sources say and they're most likely going to frame the definitions around their own religions. I can't really be sure what the Jewish one would have been. However... Sin is very close with "Sign" and "Sine"... (Notice the letter "S" is almost a sine wave)... My guess so far is that it's someone who bahaves like God... but the riddle is... they can't be god... and it's a contradiction if they'd be potrayed as evil... They; like God, make their own decisions arguably but control situations to a much lesser degree... but at the same time... would make moral ones (not conflicting with the 10 commandments as an example)... So this sort of represents a secularist of some sort whom can make errors but arguably avoids them (So, enactor of god?). This is based upon the usage of "Samaritan and Same (which does also bear similarity with "related to" to bear in mind). I've always found that Samael bares a very strong relation with old testiment Satan too. (fits with adversary aswell) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.220.157.192 (talk) 00:40, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
Can you please clarify what you mean by "the book of moses"?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Leighmeinhart (talk • contribs)
Has Samael ever been mentioned in any translation/version of the Christian Bible? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.181.168.245 (talk) 09:33, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
No. Samael has not appeared in the OT (Unless you considered him Satan as Kabbalah does) nor the Nt. Xuchilbara (talk) 21:24, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
No. Samael is not mentioned in the Christian Bible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sabbaoth (talk • contribs) 15:02, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Actually Samael/Lucifer is traditionally thought to be referenced in a poem in the old testament by a good number of christians. Kairos (talk) 07:10, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Although the Isaiah passage that refers to Lucifer is "Helel Ben Shahar" [Helel son of Shahar], a Canaanite deity, and metaphor for a Babylonian king. Xuchilbara (talk) 03:38, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Removed from the article as unverifiable (spectacularly fails the Google test — one hit for "sammael ansi artist", which no longer exists):
Uncle G 16:39, 2005 Jan 7 (UTC)
Many if not most ANSI artists are impossible to google as the web wasn't what it is today when the ANSI scene was alive. This link this linkshows much of his work:
Samael has veered very very very far from what would usually be labeled black metal. Progressive metal is a more accepted label, although the music is naturally unclassifiable.
Samael doesn't owe Evil 'nobody or nothin'. 'Not the Truth, nor any Mercy.' Meaner and badder, and by far, more strong-Willed, than Lucifer. More than the Devil, himself. The benchmark of Jews. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.103.165.133 (talk) 07:59, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
I edited out some of the parts concerning Lucifer and a explanation of why Lucifer is not Samael, although informative, it seemed to be written in a way that a great deal about Lucifer and not Samael, who this article is about, so I cut some of it.Xuchilbara 00:40, 3 October 2006 (UTC)Xuchilbara I think this article could be more clearly written, as things are very unclear. That's the main problem I see. (Hijou)
A number of religious traditions consider Lucifer, Satan, and Samael to be one and the same. Kairos (talk) 07:01, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Samael's primary mythology is Jewish. Not Christian. The name "Samael" is rarely used or said in a Christian context. You can only consider them the "same" from this context, which again, is rare.
Xuchilbara (talk) 03:40, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
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Correction:
Mastema... is 'the Angel of Temptation.' And quite a good and homosexual Angel. He brings the Evil to their own desired destruction, plus those who tempt others, to their Doom. Original 'Son of Sam,' that one. Only Good Angels do that.
The Archenemy of Lucifer, factually, is Samael. Samael is Seraphim, Himself. More slippy than the Devil. Seraphim. That Angel of yours, that most Vicious Angel.
Samael doesn't even mind being called, 'a bastard.' Seraphim, yours. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.103.165.133 (talk) 08:45, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
"Samael in Kabbalah is the Qliphoth corresponding to the sephirah Hod. It means "the poison of God", the liar and the jugglers, and the demons associated with it are described as dull-yellow, demon-headed dog-like monsters.[citation needed]
The Qliphoth is the unbalanced aspect of a particular sephirah. Hod is the sephirah concerned with rationalisation, intellectualism and the occult, that gives form to ideas, as opposed to Netzach, that is raw energy, the ability of passion to transcend form. Hod must be balanced with Qliphoth to prevent dullness that follows from complete rationalization of the world, such as that of the sceptic who believes he knows everything and dismisses many potentially joyous experiences out of hand. For this reason, Hod becomes Samael, the Liar, the Juggler, who through clever words and rationalisations denies the existence of anything higher or greater.[citations needed]"
I've been told that Samael is actually attributed to the sephira, Geburah. According to Gustav Davidson in "A Dictionary of Angels" on page 255. "In Waite, The Holy Kabbalah, p.255, Samael is characterized as the "severity of God" and is listed as 5th of the archangles of the world of Briah. Here he corresponds to the sefira Geburah." Samael and is also attributed to Mars, Geburah's planet. EGGO 05:36, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
LOOK STUPID.... primitive fucktard
Azrael = Mars
Hermes = Mercury
Messenger is far more Fanatical.
"In the first game in the Silent Hill series, Dahlia Gillespie, an antagonist, refers to a symbol as being the "Mark of Samael", which led many players to believe that the entity, refered to in the third game as "The God", was actually Samael. This was disproved when, later in the series, it is revealed that the mark is actually the "Seal of Metatron", as well as the fact that the incarnation of "The God" in the first game resembles Baphomet, not Samael."
A citation is needed here because Baphomet and Samael are a reference to the samething. I am not basing this off a video game but the occult itself. Although, I think the game makes this all pretty clear. Either some of you are over complicating and estimating a pretty simple storyline or are deliberately trying to misguide people like occultist tend to try and do. Your argument between Baphomet and Samael is an oxymoron along with several other peoples comments here. Here is just one reference. [1] Although, this site is incorrect about the traceable dated use of the inverted pentacle in rituals involving a symbolic sacrificial goat. It still serves its purpose here.--Theseus23 (talk) 18:46, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
This is was this article has to say about the fiction Samael, yet the account of Samael in the Silent Hill Mosters article is different.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Silent_Hill_monsters
"Samael - The Incubus harbored within Alessa Gillespie that acts as the destructive hand of God, killed by Harry in Silent Hill 1. It is speculated whether or not Samael exists, or is just a lie told to Harry by Dahlia so she could trick him into helping her. Why she believed telling him this would get him to help her is anyone's guess, since Harry does not appear to be heavily versed in religion and demonology. In any case, it appears Dahlia was in fact telling the truth, the mark that appears throughout Silent Hill is that of Samael's, NOT the mark of Metatron. The Mark of Samael is a triangle within a twin circle that is filled with symbols - the mark we see in the games - whilst Metatron is a series of interconnected circles and lines that bear no resemblance to the mark we actually see."
Which one of these is correct?
Again, Mgreenbe your stating that oxymoron between Samael and Baphomet.--Theseus23 (talk) 18:46, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
yep. And Metatron is said carries on a ceaseless battle with Samael. (and Alessa is using the seal of Metatron to kill "the god". So speculation on rather the incubus inside her is Samael remains.) 67.78.156.66 16:23, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
First off, the opposers of the Order in Silent Hill were said to give demonic names to the God. Memo in SH3:
Lastly, we have that Dahlia didn't even know that the seal of Metatron was beig used by Alessa at all.
Then as far as Venom of God is concerned, could you cite the source were Samael's name does not translate to 'venom of God'? Because you know, Samael, for being one of the serpents in the Garden of Eden, has a relation to venom. [2] "Lord of Peace" is just simply too farfetched, not too mention Samael is the angel partly to blame for the fall of mankind. he also charcged with impregnanting Eve with Cain in his serpent form.[3] And as you know Silent Hill is full of Kabbalah, so I would think they don't have the idea that he's "nice".
Xuchilbara 18:09, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Where do some of you get some of this stuff??? Although, at first it might be kind of difficult to understand I think the base of the plot isn't that difficult to grasp. Too much over thinking on such a simple message and formula.
Ian Samael is a main character in the webcomic Errant Story. --Kestenvarn
"*In the game series Silent Hill, Samael is the demonic entity worshipped by the cult hidden in the town of Silent Hill, whose soul was ritually bound into the bodies of two sisters. His power is believed to be behind much of the series' supernatural happenings.
Those parts are entirely false. In fact I have no idea who the "two sisters" are or where that story came from, it isn't in game. Nor does the cult worship Samael, because their God is a female Solar diety. Xuchilbara 16:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
He's also the villian in Carl Maria von Weber's opera Der Freischütz — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.88.144.228 (talk) 22:27, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
I decided to make a entire talk tribute page to the weird Silent Hill fan based speculations regarding Samael that seem to just eternally keep popping up here. If anybody wants to contest that on why its being removed and how factually inaccurate or accurate some of info, please do tell.
"
This was taken out because:
Xuchilbara 19:16, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
It is a difficult source to verify by text because there is no text in the game stating outright that the Seal of Metatron/Virun VII Crest is the same object as the so-called "Mark of Samael". You learn this by seeing the two and making a visual comparison, and I can't think of any way to translate that into a workable method on Wikipedia. I just wanted to make this clarification so that the change is not reverted to its original, inaccurate state. There is no entity within Silent Hill named Samael. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iungwu (talk • contribs) 22:58, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
--Ryan (talk) 22:58, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
I give up. What the hell is 'Anthrosophism'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.128.44 (talk) 00:39, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Could someone write some text telling what "Göap" is and why it redirects here? 71.90.130.7 (talk) 03:59, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Hello friends.
I need help in order to revert some unsourced vandalisms that are happening in the page.
Archangel Of FireArchangel of Fire (talk) 14:55, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
I though AZRAEL is the angel of death the article for Azrael claims he is the Islamic and Judaeochristian angel of death
The article is incorrect, it has mistakenly taken the traits described for Samael and Azazel and jumbled them together. Thefifthlord (talk) 20:03, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
There's a lot of poorly-worded gibberish near the end of the article that seems to have been written by someone to whom English is a second language. While the author seems to have a lot of detail concerning the topic, the way it's written is messy and doesn't make a lot of sense.76.186.52.32 (talk) 19:43, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Although it is true that Samael does not mean "Poison of God" and that its origin is not of a negative derivation, we need to remember that the early languages were not exact, and transcriptions often did not change names thought they did change meanings to new culture's beliefs and words. Therefore, there also exists evidence that says the meaning of Samael is "The Desolate One". This not withstanding, that was always one of the main difficulties in translating these ancient languages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uwriel Immortallo (talk • contribs) 13:15, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
The name Samael is mentioned once in the Apocryphon of John, with no elaboration. What is the source of the claim that its meaning in this context is "blind god"? What is the source of the claim that "the theme of blindness" runs "throughout gnostic works"? Where is his appearance described as "a lion-faced serpent" or "a blind soldier"? 24.179.143.119 (talk) 04:03, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
It may mean "God of the Blind" in Aramaic but in Hebrew it means "Poison of a God". 99.56.174.63 (talk) 10:32, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Have you noticed the simularities of the name Samael to Samuel? Since Samuel is not the real pronunciation of the Hebrew prophet it is logical to conclude that it also has another meaning other then "Shemuwel" (real spelling) which means "Heard by God". Yes Samuel has the same meaning as Samael which means "Poison of a God". No wonder Sammy Davis Jr felt compelled to join the Church of Satan but before he died denounced them for Jesus (Yeshuwa). Samael is said to be an archangel that is often viewed as being Satan. Something to think about. Better to choose the spelling Shemuwel or Shemuel when naming a son. Also I noticed in the Samuel article that "Samuel" is Latin. Were the Latinese deliberatly trying to honor and worship Samael by changing Shemuwel to Samuel? It would appear so because the Samael article reveals that Samael was a patron of the Roman empire. Interesting. I wonder how many other Biblical names have been this cleverly subverted? 99.56.174.63 (talk) 07:49, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
I wasn't speaking of the Hebrew spellings of Samael verses Samuel but the way the Hebrew name Shemuwel was "transliterated" by the Latin speaking people of Rome to Samuel which is almost the same as Samael. Obviously because the Jews did say that Samael was the patron of Rome so they must have took it to heart and decided to venerate him instead of choosing a true translieration of Shemuwel. I was being funny when I said Latinese. It is still proper English though. I don't have to speak the Queen's English. As far as Sammy Davis Jr was concerned he said before he died that the only reason he joined the church of Satan was "for the chicks". 99.56.174.63 (talk) 13:35, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Source(s): http://usminc.org/satanism.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.56.174.63 (talk) 13:45, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
In the old World of Darkness setting for White_Wolf's Vampire:_the_Masquerade Samael is named as the progenitor of the Salubri clan of vampires. 67.149.196.9 (talk) 17:48, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
The picture in the main section with the caption "Samael personified ." (sic) links to Hades.jpg. Why? 68.50.244.172 (talk) 14:25, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Fixed. Billtanin (talk) 23:49, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
He is an accuser and destroyer, the angel of death in the Kabbalah.. his depiction as a skeleton made some sense in my opinion. The tree of life depiction makes little sense though he is mostly described in the Kabbalah.. death is not a sphere in the tree of life. I've updated the image.Thefifthlord (talk) 18:50, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
It's not an opinion it's a fact to anyone who's studied even the bare minimum of Kabbalah. Would you rather have an incorrect reference than accept my knowledge without a direct reference once? Seriously it's this kind of thinking that leads to the dis-accuracy of many articles, I mean seriously Azrael should be merged with Azazel, it's nothing more than a misnomer and yet it's become a massive source of misinformation that's jumbled traits of this article with those of Azazel with only one real citation that even names "Azrael" in it's favour! The rest name Samael or Azazel, but you try to convince the editors of that. When an expert arrives to clean up an article don't complain, help him get the job done, find those references(I've already added plenty), I assure you they exist. Thefifthlord (talk) 13:55, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
I'm confused, Samael in this article is the Angel of Death, on the Azrael article he is the Angel of Death. Are they both the Angel of Death or is this a matter of faith e.g. Jews believe Samael is the Angel of Death and Christians belive it is Azrael? Also the same picture is used on both pages claiming to be a represenation of either Angel depending on which article you're reading. 212.250.138.33 (talk) 04:31, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
according to maimonides guide for the perplexed (part 2, chapter 30): ..the Serpent was a riding beast the size of a camel and that its rider was that who seduced Eve and that the rider was Samael.
http://press.tau.ac.il/perplexed/chapters/chap_2_30.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.19.120.132 (talk) 19:39, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
I changed 3600 years of the period of ruling by archangels into the (more or less) 360 that Steiner and other anthroposophists reference, based upon the system by Johannes Trithemius.
I also deleted the part about some archangels being evil. I think that is not nuanced enough and not helpful for someone quickly looking up what Samael may mean within Anthroposophy. As I understand it from all Anthroposophic sources: some rough times can be ruled over (and influenced by) archangels, surely. But these times are necessary for the evolution of the human being and its relationship to god (in the broad sense of the word). Therefore it isn't 'evil'. It is either timely or not. If the materialsm (that was spoken about in the part that I deleted) continues on past its 'proper'time, it isn't the right thing for that new time and therefore you may see it as 'evil'. But you can also just see it as untimely and unhelpful for humanity at that moment, but perfectly 'good' in its own time and place.
Lastly, I didn't delete it, but I think it is unhelpful in an article about Samaël to speak of archangels within Anthroposophy in general - i.e. in the seasons. Samaël is not one of the archangels whose influence has been discussed (within Anthroposophy) as ruling over a season. This information should perhaps be put on a page that speaks of archangels in general. AnneloesF (talk) 10:22, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
This entry is not accurate. Bias. Do rabbis not fear slandering an Angel of the Lord God in good standing? Nothing to cite. Nothing needed for this entry. This article is false. Pure fantasy. Rabbis playing Dungeons & Dragons. They know better than to publish this nonsense. Refer to historical entries regarding how very much this article has changed recently, as if spinning some story. Has there been some mysterious breakthrough in academic coverage of Samael? No. Has some magical scroll, previously hidden, been found in some bat cave in Israel? No. This appears to be Dungeons & Dragons by dark rabbis, pure and simple.
Further, to be more serious, Son One is Samael (Elohim name). He is not the Fifth. He is Seraphim himself.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.103.165.133 (talk) 05:08, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
-> is an important archangel in Talmudic and post-Talmudic lore, a figure who is an accuser (satan) ?? Since it's well affirmed on the Satan page that satan means accuser and devil means slanderer in old testiment terms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.220.157.192 (talk) 23:36, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
idk if you guys have ever been around one but a corrupter has no capacity to create u give this creature to much credit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.33.184.30 (talk) 08:48, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
Greetings I am concered about the picture in this topic, because provides a more positive view on the "angel of death" and seems to handle the "angel of physical" (he is outching the body of human), while Samael is more going to be like a "venom", corrupting and more dispicted as a dark and evil beeing. In addition, the article "Azarel", got the same picture but Azrail is considered to be another angel than samael (and more posetive). Samael and Azrael are both titled "angel of death" but seem to have different meanings and I guess this picture confuses the meaning of this figures (especialy because of the more posetive intention of this picture here) — Preceding unsigned comment added by VenusFeuerFalle (talk • contribs) 20:11, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
The picture by Evelyn De Morgan intended to show the "bright side" of death. However Samael is commonly used as the personification of "suffering adn death". Behind the figure Samael lies the opposite of the depiction Evelyn De Morgan intended by drwaing her image. Yes I know, Samael can be seen as "good" in popular culture and is "necesessary aspect in Kaabalistic thought", however the common-ground about "Samael" is that he is "evil". For example there are different appeariances of Samael in history, but all have in common to depict Samael as something that harms people (Gnosticism yaldabaoth, henochian writings assisting the fallen angels, later midrashim identifieing him with Iblis and so on). Furthermore, in Jewish thought, death is often sin as "bad", something you got because you sinned or you die and will not be resurrected because you were not righteous. The idea of the "death" being pleasant is faraway from the depiction of Samael as angel of death (for example for the depcition of "angel of Death" as Azrail, would fit).--VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 21:45, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
Would you think, that the picture from the Turkish-Wiki fit there? https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samael_(Melek)
It resembles the picture we already had, but I like how "Samael" sits on the earth, also matching the Gnostic idea of Samael, even if it is coincedence. However I am not sure about, this is really Samael.
seriously? as an actual source? --97.122.110.250 (talk) 02:33, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
1) Where is the source for the claim that Samael is one of the seven archangels? He isn't one of them in Catholic, Anglican, Orthodox, Coptic or Muslim tradition. Nor does he appear in the list of seven angels of the Book of Enoch. The article says that Saint Gregory included him in a supposed list of seven archangels, but it doesn't provide any backup for this.
2) The text excerpt under the "Other traditions" definitely doesn't come from the Assumption of Moses, but from the Revelation of Moses. Compare the Assumption: http://wesley.nnu.edu/index.php?id=2124 with the Revelation: https://rejectedscriptures.weebly.com/the-revelation-of-moses.html They're totally different texts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.34.126.125 (talk) 11:04, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Here is a source about Samael, which is not yet within the article. It seems to include Bogomilite traces. However, I currently do not have the time and mind to go into detail about this matter and found it by coincedent. Since this article is frequently edited, maybe other Users are itnerested in imporving the article with the source: "Eter Intskirveli Shota Rustaveli Institute of Georgian Literature TRANSFORMATION OF COSMOGONIC NARRATIVE IN SVANETIAN MYTH-RITUAL SYSTEM".--VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 20:01, 5 June 2021 (UTC)