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Leave the sentence out of the paragraph. It is misleading. It is off the topic of marriage. It lists only the negative side while not listing that the "act itself" is "legal" in xyz countries only illegal in some xyz. Therefore is negatively biased and not accurate and balanced. 47.204.221.228 (talk) 18:21, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
the lastest pew research center poll released in September 2023 found that 17% in Malaysia, 57% in Cambodia and 45% in Singapore support same-sex marriage. It's a big increase in those conservative countries. Please add this information to the article.
https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2023/09/12/pew-survey-eight-in-10-malaysians-oppose-same-sex-marriage-local-buddhists-most-supportive/90352 113.185.42.54 (talk) 20:00, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
In the lead paragraph, "34 countries that have a total population of more than 1 billion people" reads as if all 34 countries have over 1 billion people each. The obvious fix is to change "that have" to ", with". --142.112.221.156 (talk) 05:15, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
The article names two different counties as where Jack Baker and Michael McConnell got married. (Their article says they went to another county than the one where they lived to get a marriage license, but I don't think it makes it clear where the wedding actually took place.) Please fix it or add a ((contradict-self)) tag. --142.112.221.156 (talk) 05:24, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
I don't understand why we put 29 November as the date for Nepal instead of 28 June. The couple tried it and were refused in one city office, then tried later in a different city whose office accepted it. There's no indication they wouldn't have gotten their marriage certificate early on at that second office, it's not like a legal decision was made in between. For example, if a woman was refused an abortion shortly after it was made legal, and initially got it refused at a clinic, then finally found a good one later on, we wouldn't use the date of that second attempt as the date abortion was legalised in that country. We would use the legal one. We should use 28 June for Nepal. What do you think? Aréat (talk) 16:08, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
I've removed Nepal, per discussion at that article and news sources that marriage is not yet enacted. One couple was able to register their marriage after direct intervention of the SC, but even then they had trouble finding a govt office that would file the paperwork. Other couples haven't been able to marry. AFICT, supporting legislation hasn't been introduced, so it's probably going to be a while, possibly years, before there is SSM in Nepal without individual court rulings. — kwami (talk) 04:16, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
Provocative consideration: could we argue that the Pope's decision to change clergy regulation and authorise blessings of same-sex couples is equivalent to some light form of recognition (eg. unregistered cohabitation)? Clearly, we are talking about religious acts, sacraments. But the Vatican City is a theocratic state, has no form of marriage but religious marriage. One could argue that: blessings without specific lithurgy = unregistered cohabitation; similar lithurgy but distinct from marriage = civil unions; same lithurgy as opposite-sex marriage = same-sex marriage. Thoughts? Finedelledanze (talk) 06:49, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
There is a persistent sock who has been targeting this article since at least February 2023. Their M.O. is to create new socks to make edits to this article that downplay the support of same-sex marriage.
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Accounts involved are: User:Sotavino, User:Atquaman, User:Abisaku, User:SG413K, and most recently, User:Ratterbat.
I'm not sure how to stop these socks, other than reverting their edits and reporting them to WP:SPI each time a new one appears. Perhaps pending changes protection would work? Bennv123 (talk) 04:24, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
the latest eurobarometer in december 2023 showed an increase in support for same-sex in EU countries. Please add this to the article:
https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/2972 Springtime95 (talk) 14:17, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
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Faid17 (talk) 23:21, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Greece to be added to the table with countries that legalised same sex marriage in the 2024 slot, besides Estonia.
I'm going to remove Nepal from the list of countries that legalized same-sex marriage. I found updated maps and none of them include Nepal.
1. https://edition.cnn.com/world/same-sex-marriage-legal-countries-map-dg/index.html
3. https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/greece-has-legalised-same-sex-marriage-whose-next/ameik3g2k
4. https://www.hrc.org/resources/marriage-equality-around-the-world
I was right all along, while some wikiusers contributed to the spread of disinformation, just like they did with Armenia in 2017. I don't need their apologies for calling me a "vandal" and trying to block me. Everybody makes mistakes, they just need to admit they're wrong. It doesn't matter how much you love Bangladesh, Nepal, Somalia, Armenia etc. Critical thinking and common sense always come first. Cyanmax (talk) 16:47, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
Why are natural law arguments against same-sex marriage entirely excluded from the article? Where is Aquinas? The current article throws up strawman against thinkers that oppose it. CoolidgeCalvin (talk) 01:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
The rationale for this removal is WP:OR / WP:SYNTH; we can't remove a longstanding part of the lead just because an editor personally feels otherwise. And per WP:LEADCITE, something like that in the lead can just summarize aspects of the body - it doesn't require sources for that. But I've added some sources from the body anyway. We can't frame it as an opinion (as the editor who removed it requested) because per WP:NPOV, Uncontested and uncontroversial factual assertions made by reliable sources should normally be directly stated in Wikipedia's voice
; an editor personally disliking a statement doesn't make it contested. More broadly, we need a sentence in the lead summarizing who the overall supporters and opponents of gay marriage are - note that it is cautiously worded ("most prominent" does not mean everyone.) We could tweak its wording a bit and find better sources, but I don't think we can remove it entirely. --Aquillion (talk) 16:58, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
I was wondering if it might be worth removing the Native American territories, US states, and Mexican states, and British overseas territories from the main timeline. I think it clutters the timeline quite a bit, (especially now that every Mexican state has legalised it). I'm not that opposed to keeping them, but I would be interested to hear others views. The sheer number of Native American territories does seem to clutter the list a lot. Perhaps instead there could be a footnote or section that explains which British territories, and Native American settlements have not legalised same-sex marriage now that the vast majority have. We could also move the dates for non-sovereign countries somewhere else. What do others think? Jasp7676 (talk) 14:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Now they allowed same sex marriage 2001:FB1:E7:6E3D:7529:7E7:D2E3:41DD (talk) 19:56, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Maito Kismar R G10 Arroyo 3/29/24 2001:4456:C70:1800:B851:D4ED:F98F:3043 (talk) 08:01, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
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Found relatively new public opinion polls in some Balkan countries. Don't know if it's reliable enough though https://lgbti-era.org/publications/attitudes-towards-lgbtiq-people-in-the-western-balkans/ 5.197.129.202 (talk) 12:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
Extra opinions with expertise on the subject are required in a discussion at Talk:Recognition of same-sex unions in Israel#The Nature of Legality. Thanks. Jdcooper (talk) 11:51, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
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Please add this section under 'Studies'
The overall effects of legal access to same-sex marriage have been summarized by Badgett and co-authors. [1] The review found that sexual minority individuals took-up legal marriage when it became available to them (but at lower rates than different-sex couples). There is instead no evidence that same-sex marriage legalization affected different-sex marriages. On the health side, same-sex marriage legalization increased health insurance coverage for individuals in same-sex couples in the US, and it led to improvements in sexual health among men who have sex with men, while there is mixed evidence on mental health effects among sexual minorities. In addition, the study found mixed evidence on a range of downstream social outcomes such as attitudes toward LGBTQ+ people and employment choices of sexual minorities. Ds1289 (talk) 19:53, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
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